You need to think a bit more positively Red.Originally Posted by reddoor
You realise that giving a vaccine uses the same mechanism in developing antibodies and thus immunity to the virus that an infected person does in becoming a recovered person.
If we can't have immunity from being recovered, then a vaccine won't work either.
Put this virus in perspective. It's new to us hence called a "novel" virus. Yes there have been other types. But this has jumped from animals into a human. Mutated in a way that can infect another human ... Then away it goes creating a pandemic.
Our immune system is not familiar to this strain of virus .. hence getting infected can be deadly to some.
Combine high spread or contagion rates with high potential death rates and we have a deadly pandemic.
Consider when explorers in previous times introduced illness (viruses) which westerners were quite immune to into populations in the Americas and Pacific as an example. The results were catastrophic.
I know the discussion on this goes back and forward.
But we do get sick from viruses now ... and we do develop immunity. Sure the strain may mutate ... but we don't get as sick because the immunity we have from the previous strain puts us in better shape to fight the new strain.
A quote
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Resolving the COVID-19 pandemic quickly hinges on a crucial factor: how well a person’s immune system remembers SARS-CoV-2, the virus behind the disease, after an infection has resolved and the patient is back in good health.
This phenomenon, called immune memory, helps our bodies avoid reinfection by a bug we’ve had before and influences the potency of life-saving treatments and vaccines. By starving pathogens of hosts to infect, immune individuals cut off the chain of transmission, bolstering the health of the entire population.
"
We will prevail ...
K, you might be correct when looking this as a community thing- herd immunity and all - however at the individual level, there has been quite a number of people who is otherwise classified as low risk, has died from Cov19- so just because we dont have to be overly alarmed does not mean we dont take precaution. Plus there will a number of brother, who if caught with Cov19 will have a hard time giving frank information about how it is caught or about contact tracing.
I'm not into letting all go and just let the pandemic take it's course.
We need tight restrictions now to choke the spread rate.
Then we loosen slightly ... but maintain hygiene and test/trace/isolate process.
This is the "flatten the curve" strategy.
See article called "the hammer and the dance".
During the dance phase we allow a slow rate of infection that the complete medical infrastructure can handle.
I.e : anyone who needs ICU can get it.
This drags it all out ... till a vaccine comes along and can be provided. That's been said to be 12-18 months.
But given the seriousness of this scourge, there is an almighty effort to find a vaccine.
I'm tipping it won't be 18 months.
Hoping for 12.
Yes. Track and trace will be part of our life.
But ... still hoping that as things progress, even though this is not all over in say around 6 months, there will be enough recovered persons in the community (That's the herd part) to allow more loosening.
And if I'm a recovered person by then ... I'm back in.
I'm looking forward to having my first session again ... in many months time.
I'm regard to the testing, there are tests for the infection and tests you have recovered, have anti- bodies and are immune.
Speaking hypothetically ... I still say that if a ML can prove she is "recovered", immune, and therefore doesn't transmit the virus ...
... she'd be worth her weight in toilet paper.
... just sayin' ...
And and how exactly does she do that man?
Simple
... wear the secret toilet paper armband
... Then we'll know
A couple of days ago you were saying lock the entire country down for 2 weeks to fix the problem. I think I will do my own research and come to my own conclusions about this virus and leave it up to the medical professionals about the right way to go about eradicating it.
Needs to be a tight closure to get the infection rate down to a manageable level.
Ok ... was a bit optimistic to say 2 weeks.
Being optimistic to even say 4 weeks now.
Who's got experience in this ?
Somehow need to work out how our workplaces can work with all these restrictions.
Another workplace risk to mitigate.
But we're locking right down till we can open up again to some limited level.
It's a hard thing to say but on balance as time progresses and the lockdown becomes too much a burden to bear ... there will be pressure to ease up. But hopefully infection rates stay at a low enough rate we can handle.
This article explains some of that.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-be9337092b56
Every one following the medical recommendations right now will help.
There will be no support for those on visas.
People visiting Australia or foreign students who are unable to support themselves due to the coronavirus crisis should go home, Prime Minister Scott Morrison says.
Be careful out there people.
Sex work has the potential to increase the spread of infection greatly.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...b0172e0e6f1e2e
china took ~60 days didn't day? and that was with real strict lockdown.
So we might be around the same, maybe an extra month on that. We've got lower cases so that should help.
China has dealt with an initial break out, but normal won't occur until there is a vaccine.
China has over a million students around the world and have almost entirely closed their border to incoming flights, leaving them stranded.
We might go back to open parks, some definition of gatherings, spaced dining and bar situations at times, but do you reckon they will open up personal services until this is over? Non-essential international travel?
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Australia is slowly slipping down the charts..
Reminds me of the old Countdown days - go on "do ya self a favour" (you know u want to)
But I suppose "Where do you get it?" ( done in a screeching voice)
Reminiscing - the 80's - we were scared of the AIDS virus then and everyone was going to get it - The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Prof
Well was only a matter of time..
Parents called newborn twins Carona & Covid
https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavi...names-c-957065
These words and names are yet to appear on name ban list.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...89a14658e12627
For those that are interested. Some information on research into vaccines and treatments for Covid-19.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/eve...vid-19-so-far/
One of the most promising leads on a COVID-19 vaccine is mRNA-1273. This vaccine, developed by Moderna Therapeutics, is being developed with extreme urgency, skipping straight into human trials before it was even tested in animals. If all goes well with the trials currently underway in Washington State, the company hopes to have an early version of the vaccine ready by fall 2020. The earliest versions of the vaccine would be made available to at-risk groups such as healthcare workers.
Further down the pipeline are 15 types of subunit vaccines. This method of vaccination uses a fragment of a pathogen, typically a surface protein, to trigger an immune response, teaching the body’s immune system how to fight off the disease without actually introducing live pathogens.
No Clear Finish Line
Unfortunately, there is no silver bullet for solving this pandemic.
A likely scenario is that teams of researchers around the world will come up with solutions that will incrementally help stop the spread of the virus, mitigate symptoms for those infected, and help lower the overall death toll. As well, early solutions rushed to market will need to be refined over the coming months.
We can only hope that the hard lessons learned from fighting COVID-19 will help stop a future outbreak in its tracks before it becomes a pandemic. For now, those of us on the sideline can only do our best to flatten the curve.
Lesson #1: cook your bat to well-done.
From April 9 in Qld solo sex workers have been banned and are only allowed to do online and phone work. I saw this on the Scarlett Alliance facebook page when I was searching for more information. Sorry, I couldn't get a link to work.
Here's the link to the Scarlet Alliance website.
Follow info and there is a link to a PDF.
Can't copy the link to pdf, but here is the transcript below.
http://www.scarletalliance.org.au/COVID-19/
"Brothels, strip clubs and massage parlours have been
defined as ‘non-essential’ businesses and are required
to close. These businesses cannot operate at a private
residence.
Sole operator sex workers are defined as non-essential
businesses/activities and are directed to stop all
services except online or phone services.
“Sole operator sex workers may continue to provide
online or phone services. Example – video streaming or
phone chat services”
Here's the link to the Scarlet Alliance website.
Follow info and there is a link to a PDF.
Can't copy the link to pdf, but here is the transcript below.
http://www.scarletalliance.org.au/COVID-19/
"Brothels, strip clubs and massage parlours have been
defined as ‘non-essential’ businesses and are required
to close. These businesses cannot operate at a private
residence.
Sole operator sex workers are defined as non-essential
businesses/activities and are directed to stop all
services except online or phone services.
“Sole operator sex workers may continue to provide
online or phone services. Example – video streaming or
phone chat services”
Interestingly, sole sex workers can still operate in NSW.
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Sex services premises “must not be open to the public”
with no exceptions allowed under section 7(1o) and
strip clubs “must be closed to the public” under section
7(2d).
The Public Health Order states that definitions are the
same as Standard Instrument set out in the Standard
Instrument (Local Environmental Plans) Order 2006.
● This would exclude home based sex workers as
the Standard Instrument—Principal Local
Environmental Plan defines sex service businesses
and home occupation seperately.
"
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