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[Sam88]

finally she pays for it ^

[G$$]

I got result, people!!! I am hsv-1 positive, hsv-2 negative. Which is i can get a bare back daty but can't give bbbj ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

To be honest, I am not surprised with this result.
Don't let this news dishearten you.
Infact, after reading up about it more deeply, HSV1 just seems like a part of life.

80% of adults have HSV1 (67% under age 50) and since asymptomatic infection (both HSV1 and HSV2) occurs twice as often as the disease with symptoms most people don't even know they have it. In fact 80% of those with genital herpes do not know they have it, as they may have no or very mild herpes symptoms. (with these number I would say almost all WL/ML and regular punters that part-take in BBBJ and kissing have HSV1 considering the amount of sexual activity they have and the number of different people they do it with)

so vitamin bareback dream is over?

BBFS = o
DATY = o
DFK = x
BBBJ = x

As you fall into this category christmas of not showing symptoms I would say that you were checked with a blood test for antibodies. So we don't actually know where the infection is (oral or genital), so really that kind of rules out DATY and BBFS as well. However, I am not as pedantic about HSV as Vitamin appears to be and even after knowing that you're clear of all other infections other than HSV1 I would...maybe... consider all of these options with you. This sounds terrible and I would actually like to at least check myself for HSV2 before BBFS as even with regular unprotected sex there is only a 10% per year chance of you getting HSV2 (less since you already have HSV1) if I have it. That is still a chance I can give it to you and therefore it is not my call to make, regardless of the low probability.
Please dont take this the wrong way, I dont wish to give any woman an STI, this is more on assessing my risk of getting infected considering the likeliness of transmissions, severity of symptoms and impact to my overall life if I were infected. I can go through my logic here from the facts but with 24 possible combinations to explain id rather not leave a giant wall of text. This post is long enough already. Sources are bellow either way. PM me if you really wan to know

I am kinda curious if Vitamin showed you his results. I wouldn't be surprised if he has HSV1 also. Lets be honest, he is a punter and 80% of the population have it. Have you guys kissed, it doesnt need to be DFK for transmission. Not saying he gave it to you. If he did then it would have been unlikely to show a positive for your antibodies test unless it was more than 3 weeks after the act.
Either way it might be a good idea for vitamin to get checked for it in a few weeks as well. He has had sexual activity with someone with HSV1 after all. Condoms are not 100%


Now here are some positive ways to look at this christmas.
- Most people get their first infection in early childhood and simply touching an infected person is often the way children get exposed. Therefore you most likely have oral HSV1 obtained during childhood. I wouldn't be surprised either, by the way, as it sounds like your mother had multiple partners throughout her life and is likely to have it also.
- you should be able to DFK and BBBJ about 60% of the guys you would want to without worrying about giving them HSV1 since they would likely already have it.
- Once you have herpes at one site, it is very rare to then get the same type at another site, so if it is oral your genitals are almost clear of HSV1 for life.
- If you already have a certain HSV type then acquisition of another type of HSV is more difficult (though certainly possible), so you already have some immunity to HSV2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex_virus

HSV-1 is very common, apparently 67% of the world population under the age of 50 have it.
I don't know many people personally that have it, I guess you can't tell unless they are having an outbreak

I think, at least, 50% of the people you know have it, the sad thing is they don't know they have it.

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Sources
http://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/...ement-herpes#1
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/oral_...article_em.htm
https://www.herpes.org.nz/patient-info/myths-vs-facts/
http://www.healthassist.net/conditions/herpes.shtml
https://herpesopportunity.com/downlo...re-handout.pdf
http://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wc...ts/herpes+test

[down2fish]

From having a read of G$$ post and doing a bit of research, I feel as if I want to cop hsv1 and boost my immunity to herpes in general to avoid hsv2 (cold sores are easier to explain than genital herpes). Christmas, care to share some of your hsv1?

[vitamin]

@G$$

Checked 3 months before. Negative for both hsv 1 and 2

Have not daty bbfs or dfk anyone since.
Condom sex yes. But I'll take my chances.

And trust me. i rather have hsv1 and never had an outbreak.

My fear is contracting it comes from being that person who constantly have outbreaks. .. if you know what I mean.

[G$$]

My fear is contracting it comes from being that person who constantly have outbreaks. .. if you know what I mean.

I don't know why you have that fear Vitamin, but I know what you mean. I guess I don't share that fear. Probably because I look at nearly everything logically, too logically perhaps.
I basically do OH&S risk assessments for almost everything (including STIs). I evaluate my desire for the activity/thing and if the risk is low enough and/or the consequence is not great enough I don't tend to deny myself the pleasures of those activities.

[inmydream]

I read in one of the websites from Australia, they won't even bother to ask you to test if you don't show any symptoms. Apparently, the results can be subjective without proper symptoms. So when you requested the test, is it part of normal blood test or you ask them herpes test? This information does make me thinking twice going punting now.

[vitamin]

I read in one of the websites from Australia, they won't even bother to ask you to test if you don't show any symptoms. Apparently, the results can be subjective without proper symptoms. So when you requested the test, is it part of normal blood test or you ask them herpes test? This information does make me thinking twice going punting now.

What do you mean results are subjective?

It's not on a scale kind of thing.
They test for antibodies. If present means you have if not then you're negative.

False negatives aside.
It's not subjective.

[G$$]

I read in one of the websites from Australia, they won't even bother to ask you to test if you don't show any symptoms. Apparently, the results can be subjective without proper symptoms. So when you requested the test, is it part of normal blood test or you ask them herpes test? This information does make me thinking twice going punting now.

It's true that full sexual health check up doesn't include HSV testing unless visible symptoms. You will need to request it.
There are 2 main reasons for this.
1. HSV is ridiculously common, majority of infections are oral and in most cases the person infected will show little to no symptoms. Even those rare cases where the symptoms are severe it's no where near life threatening. Having the infection doesn't really have any long term health issues or any major impact on your chances of getting other illness such as cancers. In other words, it's no big deal, compared to everything else they need to worry about.
2. The test for HSV is cheap and easy if symptoms are visible. The virus is detected directly by taking a sample from the infected site. However testing for antibodies is a lot more expensive process and involves taking blood. Why should they bother spending all this money (tax payers money) to test for something the patient is likely to have, likely to show no or little symptoms of and can't be cured.

I didnt actually know this until Christmas posted about it in her blog then checked with my clinic. I too thought it was tested as part of a full sexual health check. I'll request it on my next one though.

As for the results, they are definitely not subjective. As Vitamin said, the antibodies are either detected or they're not.
If the test is positive (antibodies are detected) you have been infected by the virus somewhere in the body sometime in the past and the virus is still there. However it is impossible to know where it is from this test.

Yes, in rare cases, a false negative can occur. The reason for this is that for the antibodies to be correctly identified there needs to be a certain amount of them in the sample. The body only produces more antibodies when it detects the virus, either by reactivation of the original infection or by the virus entering at another location. In both cases the body knows immediately what it is and is able to defend itself before it takes hold and spreads, unlike what happens the first time it enters the body. Each time the body fights it off there remains some antibodies in the system. It's these antibodies that is detected by the blood test. However, the amount of antibodies in the system slowly decrease over time so if a person has not been exposed to the HSV virus and their existing infection has remained dormant for a particularly long time then there is a small chance that they will have a false negative result from this test.

I wouldnt think twice about punting with respect to HSV. There are a lot more worse things that should be considered and managing those will help against HSV as well. If you are still concerned then avoid BBBJ, DATY and DFK. I'll assume you are already using condoms.

[CunningLinguist]

Thanks G$$ for some useful info in this thread!

[Christmas]

What's so important if we've already fucked
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[wilisno]

What's so important if we've already fucked
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Excellent answer !

[cleetusvandamme]

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What are your thoughts on feminism?

[Christmas]

I don't think women are treated badly or unfairly by others in modern days. Maybe because I work at brothel but don't work at court, hospital, government or any other office. I don't know other situations..
Women are treated actually better in someway, eg, woman punches man's face no one would call it as domestic violence but what if it happens opposite? and gentlemen always make way for a ladies when the lift door opens. They also open door for me in case I'm stuck LOL. I'm against feminists if they don't like those things. I've never actually experienced sex discrimination so can anyone please give me an easy example so I can think about it more.. kakaka

[Nejums]

I think this happens in the private sector, but apparently women get paid around 80% of their male counterparts in the same type of role. This kind of disparity is further fuelled by the "social norm" to not discuss pay with your colleagues as it is generally frowned upon. Whether or not this "social norm" was established by men I'm uncertain of, but it is a completely ridiculous notion that only further perpetuates companies getting away with discriminatory pay. There should be open dialogue between coworkers to enable transparency.

I know quite a few big corporations have actually taken onboard equal pay, but there are still heaps of them out there which haven't.

[vitamin]

I don't think women are treated badly or unfairly by others in modern days. Maybe because I work at brothel but don't work at court, hospital, government or any other office. I don't know other situations..
Women are treated actually better in someway, eg, woman punches man's face no one would call it as domestic violence but what if it happens opposite? and gentlemen always make way for a ladies when the lift door opens. They also open door for me in case I'm stuck LOL. I'm against feminists if they don't like those things. I've never actually experienced sex discrimination so can anyone please give me an easy example so I can think about it more.. kakaka

I think it's really hard for guys to give you examples because we don't experience it day to day.
And it's not always the big things that gets people.
Often the smaller little things. Like men get promotions over women or having more opportunities opened to men.

For you personally. It may even be things like not letting you do night shifts. You may be ok with it. But it's in a way removing opportunity from you incase you wanted it.

[Shoryureppa]

Christmas, is that pizza from pizza hut or dominoes? May I eat it?

[magicman]

I think this happens in the private sector, but apparently women get paid around 80% of their male counterparts in the same type of role. This kind of disparity is further fuelled by the "social norm" to not discuss pay with your colleagues as it is generally frowned upon. Whether or not this "social norm" was established by men I'm uncertain of, but it is a completely ridiculous notion that only further perpetuates companies getting away with discriminatory pay. There should be open dialogue between coworkers to enable transparency.

I know quite a few big corporations have actually taken onboard equal pay, but there are still heaps of them out there which haven't.

this is feminist propaganda

basic economics - business as a whole are not sexist they exist to make money. If woman were 20% cheaper to hire than men no smart business would hire men.

to sum up the research in the simplest way - men work more hours than women due to a variety of reasons and as a whole are paid more, on a like for like basis there is no widespread pay gap.

[G$$]

Thanks G$$ for some useful info in this thread!

You're welcome CL

What's so important if we've already fucked
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Very True Christmas,

Here is another one. What is your opinion on equal rights for the LGBTI community? (Eg same sex marraiges, etc).

[Christmas]

Very True Christmas,
Here is another one. What is your opinion on equal rights for the LGBTI community? (Eg same sex marraiges, etc).

Hehe why not... equal rights of course..
I don't understand who against LGBT tbh.. it's their personal preference and that doesn't harm/threaten others, (does it? I don't know let me know if it does) so why would even bother?
personal preference shouldn't be discriminated.

[BongKong]

You're welcome CL

Very True Christmas,

Here is another one. What is your opinion on equal rights for the LGBTI community? (Eg same sex marraiges, etc).

Why do you care what her opinion is for LGBTI? She's not a politician or anyone of influence within that community?

Are you going to start asking Xmas's opinion on how to resolve the housing affordability crisis next?