How open are you about your punting life with others in your life?

[Sextus]

It's clear that you would relish, and are primed for, a full blown public war of ideas, Sextus (I'm imagining you in a beret adorned with a red star) and I'm as frustrated as you. I won't be going around waving a revolutionary flag, however, as I know all too well how quickly those who stand out are cut down.

Well, you don't have to reveal yourself to the outside world for that to happen. You don't even have to leave this forum for that attempt to be made! But that wouldn't bother Che, and it doesn't bother me either!

It is, though, largely a good sense of community on this forum as Blackbird says. I wouldn't call this an illusion as he did though, as it can be as real as we choose to make it. I think it succeeds much more than it fails.

As for the prejudiced, ignorant judgements of society that this thread was dealing with, well, after the first couple were put on Earth (Adam and Eve) the first Puritan (God) was put on Earth to waggle His judgemental finger at them. Things haven't changed much!

But I wish society as a whole possessed the open mind of so many on this forum. It would be so much more an healthy place to live in.

[grant]

Well, you don't have to reveal yourself to the outside world for that to happen. You don't even have to leave this forum for that attempt to be made! But that wouldn't bother Che, and it doesn't bother me either!

It is, though, largely a good sense of community on this forum as Blackbird says. I wouldn't call this "an illusion" as he did though, as it can be as real as we choose to make it. I think it succeeds much more than it fails.

As for the prejudiced, ignorant judgements of society that this thread was dealing with, well, after the first couple were put on Earth (Adam and Eve) the first Puritan (God) was put on Earth to waggle His judgemental finger at them. Things haven't changed much!

But I wish society as a whole possessed the open mind of so many on this forum. It would be so much more an healthy place to live in.

I've theorised that no one can help but feel that they know best, or that if everyone else saw the world through their lense, there would never have to be conflict. I think this fundamentally boils down to the desire for complete and utter mutual understanding among us all, which is of course a pipe dream. Instead, we live in the face of the fervorous and simultaneous promotion so many conflicting ideas of what you call a healthy place to live in. While religion is a major contributor to this, and while it's nice to see christianity's influence begin to recede (except in the backwards-ass USA), you have many others to take their place, such as those peddling political propaganda. No one loud enough has a second sexual liberation on their lips. Perhaps if punting becomes more and more popular, and develops some grassroots political movement a la marijuana legalisation, then perhaps we'd have a chance (I'll keep punting to do my part), but we'd still be just another voice, whining about another injustice in the world.

I don't mean to bring you down, but there is not an ounce of idealism left in me.

[enigma775]

Its kind of sad that I am more ashamed of my punting (legal) habits than of my drug use (illegal).

Damn you society...

[Sextus]

Its kind of sad that I am more ashamed of my punting (legal) habits than of my drug use (illegal).

Damn you society...

"Damn you all to Hell!"

(Charlton Heston. Planet of the Apes.)

A few puffs I've found, are brilliant for sex.

I obviously wouldn't want to discuss my punting with my mum or sisters (even if one of them has been a Dyke on a Bike at the Mardi Gras) but I would like to talk about it with my male friends the way I do with all of you. Trouble is, with most of them, their life experiences have been very different to mine. Being either in stable marriages, or serial relationships, and raising kids.

(After almost two years of my last relationship, despite being in love, I was really feeling the urge to punt again. I wanted to freshen up the sex I was having with her - or at least see if punting worked towards that end!)

I could talk about it with the guys, but I just know they couldn't help slipping the juicy details onto their wives.

Those c**ts must think I'm some kind of monk or something - what a fucking joke! They know I'm not religious or fucking airy-fairy new agey spiritual in any way, they see that I eat well, that I keep very fit, they see that I really embrace life, they also read that in my letters to them, and yet they still think I'm not having any sex, one of the fundamental principles of life.

I want to enlighten them about this, and maybe make them a little jealous, about the gorgeous hareems I enjoy like a Sultan, while they are stuck in their chronic state of onegina. But being serial monogamists their ideas must be pretty set by now.

Well, at least I have you, such as you are.

[Pinkbits]

They could be members on this forum?

Here is a quote from KickArse from the 288 Wattle street thread, made on the 7th Dec 2012:

"Fark !!! I went to this place on the weekend, only to spot 2 of my mates standing outside a chinese restaurant nearby. Luckily, I quickly made up a story about having yum-cha at the fish markets and was now heading to Broadway to catch up with friends to see a movie. I had to walk a huge detour to avoid them and piss off. Scared the shit out of me. Luckily they called out to me before I had reached the shop otherwise they would have seen me go inside and ... fuck! I'd be buying beers for a loooooong time. "

We are free and open with each other on this forum about all our wonderfully varied sexual adventures. I have learnt so much and done so much fabulous new stuff since I've joined the forum less than three months ago.

But it seems more like a lifetime ago now. Why is this? Because I now have a new life added to my former one, with an amazingly thick new chapter added to my existing life book.

Outside the forum, however, we are obviously very selective about who knows about all this. With the exception of wives and girlfriends (we may have) knowing - and obviously aunties, and certainly our own mothers - I think this is a shame!

I'm sorry therefore that KickArse felt he couldn't go over and grab his friends and go up to the massage shop together the way he would have if it had been one of us across the street. I'm also sorry that I couldn't do that (just yet) myself.

Sex is to be CELEBRATED, this forum has taught me that so well. Any other viewpoint to that, I think, is truly warped.

So fuck cares how you have sex or how you get it sex, that doesn't matter because, whatever, however, sex is just FABULOUS. It is a glory, better than even the soaring glory of St Peters in Rome that the great Michelangelo himself designed.

Sex is the NEW YEARS EVE FIREWORKS that everyone, even the most conservative of people, stand around cheering. To feel any sense of shame about sex is therefore the greatest of insults to it, and an insult to ourselves as well.

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

I have several lifetime friends, one of whom I have started to reveal aspects of this, preparing the ground for more revelations from me. And this growing openness of mine, which I feel is a progression to even more openness, is due to the endorsement I've got from this online community. (One I didn't even know existed until three months ago.)

So my question is, how open are you about all this (fundamental to our being) activity with other people in your life? - with the exception of the obvious people, mothers etc). Do you feel it would be a good thing to have the same openness with most of the people in your real life that you enjoy in your cyber-life with me, and everyone else on this forum? If not, why not? Is sex so suddenly NOT to be celebrated?

I ask, because I might be looking for reasons from you to remain largely incognito. On the other hand, I very much don't like censoring myself to others in my life.

[babelx]

I think, that if you have to think very hard about who to tell, and who not to tell, there is something 'wrong' there. Now that wrong may be due to the way society views things etc etc but there is something 'amiss'. For example, would you even think about when you discuss what you had for breakfast?

I guess it's interesting to read about the Sexual celebration etc but we live in a society and need to comply with some of the rules (otherwise it will oztrazise....) There is also boundaries which you can't cross with certain people in your life. For example, you wouldn't talk about sex with your mother even if you had the sex with your wife.

So I guess, who do I tell. Well not many people at all because most won't think it's ok. But then, I don't really talk about sex with my friends. May depend on how close you are.

Do I think it's ok? Hmm.... good question. I reckon it's probably not ok as defined by society which I must live in. Do we all do things that are not ok. Yes probably. Shades of gray people. Just don't hurt anyone or yourself and you should be mostly ok.

[kamo]

I told her I wasnt happy wanted more sex I wont give you the details of the discussion but she said she didnt want more to go and get it somewhere else. Do what _____ does which was one of her girl friends exhusband who got caught because because he put it on Amex and his accountant had a big mouth and told his girlfriend who was friends with his wife and my wife but thats another story.

Mind you at the time I only ever wanted to have sex with my wife it took me a long time before I saw a working lady but I guess I got lucky now mind you I still do it discretely and dont discuss or make her feel bad about it in any way.

Sounds like me to a t... but I haven't had the talk yet to bring it all out into the open.

Am dicing with disaster a bit as BBBJ and DATY are my pleasures when punting, but I never have had full service sex yet, and thats a line I won't cross without at least an implicit understanding with the wife...

Just as long as she doesn't get suspicious of all those trips to Bunnings in the evening!

[CommanderM]

As Charlie Sheen (aka Carlos Estevez) says “I don’t pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.”

Thats be beauty of punting...

We aren't paying for sex. We are paying to CELEBRATE sex. And that is a fundamental difference.

[Sextus]

We aren't paying for sex. We are paying to CELEBRATE sex.

That is what is known as an epigram, a pointed saying that sums up a big topic. (Thanks, CommanderM, for noticing that.)

Another might be (in regards to tipping)

"I'd rather fail with my personality than succeed with my wallet."

[cato]

Charlie Sheen is my hero....

[igloo]

Charlie Sheen is my hero....

Mine too, he knows fun

[igloo]

I think, that if you have to think very hard about who to tell, and who not to tell, there is something 'wrong' there. Now that wrong may be due to the way society views things etc etc but there is something 'amiss'. For example, would you even think about when you discuss what you had for breakfast?

I guess it's interesting to read about the Sexual celebration etc but we live in a society and need to comply with some of the rules (otherwise it will oztrazise....) There is also boundaries which you can't cross with certain people in your life. For example, you wouldn't talk about sex with your mother even if you had the sex with your wife.

So I guess, who do I tell. Well not many people at all because most won't think it's ok. But then, I don't really talk about sex with my friends. May depend on how close you are.

Do I think it's ok? Hmm.... good question. I reckon it's probably not ok as defined by society which I must live in. Do we all do things that are not ok. Yes probably. Shades of gray people. Just don't hurt anyone or yourself and you should be mostly ok.

Interesting is right, please note I am not an anarchist or rebel without a cause...
Bro Babelx, THAT IS A GREAT POST. I am sure what you say is correct and I totally see where you are coming from.....The "who to tell" conundrum is not wrong at all, the correct decision could see a closer bond cemented with a long term mate which lasts until one of you die... the wrong decision can bite you (depending on your situation) very hard. Is it worth risking the second to have a chance at the first, I think yes. Close mates, who trust and know each other well are worth the effort, they keep each other in check, force honesty give stability and help keep people sane. The relationship can be very strong coz u have no reason to lie to each other and cheating will not be a problem either..That's the why tell anyone part taken care of for me.

The views of society handed down by totally pure men of the cloth and very honest and trustworthy political leaders are a little hypocritical. Those views are then supported by men who are whore-fuckers themselves. I have no interest in trying to change society's views but before you just say that's how it is.... think about the atrocities commit(ted) in the name of the world over.... Religious leaders use the scriptures to msnipulate and control those who have faith or enough guilt to follow their teachings. I dont think a boarding school away from the city would have been a fun place 50 years ago, especially if your pastural carer was angry or well hung. .... Repression is not good.

The politicians & businessmen who are part of the "shame on you crowd" (in public) are some of the most debauched and prolific punters on earth. These high powered men are usually married to smart, cunning, well bred women who know exactly what is going on and pragmatically turn a blind eye to keep the status quo, they know they have as much to lose as the philandering guy (most times). This way society can continue the great pretend and admire the diamonds, bags and shoes on one side..... and golf memberships, private charter jets and front row seats on the other. He fucks the $2500/hour hookers and the receptionist; she fucks personal trainer and the gardener once in a while. Then at the cocktail parties and major celebrations everyone declares in public how they feel so lucky and special to be in a situation.

I would love to know the true proportion of men who obtain paid sex, and or have affairs. It would be a very interesting number I am sure, much thought and discussion would be provoked...and it would mean we wouldn't have to discuss what we had for breakfast.... Unless mum was in the room
For some reason the line from \ Seinfeld comes to mind when \ George is wearing track pants outside the house.. and Jerry declares that wearing the pants means \george has given up on life and society...

[jellyshots]

Well, most of the ML's I know have told me that most of their clients are married.

And most of the ML's are in relationships. So who to tell? Clearly, the majority keeps their sex life to themselves.

[cato]

I am not married but I still keep my punting life private. My view is that there is no need to place myself at the prejudices of others.

People are very quick to judge these days, and everybody has an opinion. My sex life is nobody else's business.

[medragon]

As Charlie Sheen (aka Carlos Estevez) says “I don’t pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.”

Thats be beauty of punting...

Gotta love Charlie

[LongJohnSilver]

I have 3 make friends who know and who I punt with. I have also told a small number of girls. I always found they were more fascinated than repulsed by the idea.

[the wizard]

Interesting about the girls not being repulsed, and they don't think any less of you ?
I just couldn't see myself telling any girls, I have told male friends and even encouraged them to come with me.
Many like the idea and agree but pike out at the last minute.

[LongJohnSilver]

You have to tell the right girls. One of them was a flatmate who was very open with me about her love of gay (male) porn. Another was into very risqué things.

[playerz]

True what LJS mentined, I once told a female colleague that I punt coz I was sick of her telling me stories of how interesting her weekend was (rich dad has its perks). So when she asked me what I got up to, I just blurted out brothel hopping bitch!

She didn't believe me at first, and was nagging the hell out of me for details. 4 hours later, she was on heat...you guys know the end. And thanks to rich dad, I too had many memorable ensuing weekends. Pity she's married with 2 kids now.

To the wizard, I seem to have a very high hit rate of friends whom I've enticed our world of fun to. They affectionately nickname me devils advocate.

[dannyboy]

What Ive found is most girls know guys go to brothels and assume its normal, well at least the girls I know..