I'm Just Saying- Don't Shoot Me!

[Littlewonder]

Some things will never change the only way to fix the problem is for admin to say shops can't post in the AR section of the forum unless its to answer a question or problem.

[PhoBot]

Just a quick check at 7:30pm today- in the after report section 24 out of 40 threads on the top page the last post is by Shop Owners or their 'Close Friend'. Looks like things are going back quickly to spam city.

What's worse is that if you actually open those bumped posts, you'll find there is one punters comment, with 3 pages (40) bumps.

[CunningLinguist]

Perhaps there is a need for a feature that the forum developers can add: Have an ignore list for a forum section, and also honour the list in terms of displaying the latest thread posts. So you could have a setting that says ignore <spamPosterX> in section AR for example. Then you wouldn't see any thread activity if <spamPosterX> bumped the thread. This would help alot for the "What's New"/"New Posts" links as well.

[slarty]

What's worse is that if you actually open those bumped posts, you'll find there is one punters comment, with 3 pages (40) bumps.

Yeah I noticed that too. Some of the bumped threads are quite old too. If we're not careful the forum will end up shop owners and a small group of interested parties all talking to themselves.

I'll be making a point to try and post more reviews whenever I see a new girl. I just hope people will see it among all that noise!

[tojo]

Yeah I noticed that too. Some of the bumped threads are quite old too. If we're not careful the forum will end up shop owners and a small group of interested parties all talking to themselves.

Sounds a little bit like the HL forum. Which has been quite shit for a while now imho. I hope this place isn't on it's way down that path. I haven't looked at the AR's yet today, I bet there's maybe only one or 2 that I'll read. When I logged into the Gerneral Talk section there are at least 21 threads that are advertising or bumped up threads promoting shops and girls. It's not really general talk is it. I'd hapily post more reviews, but I'm in a financial hole at the moment, so unfortunately my punting has unfortunately stopped in this country.

I remeber the days when it was almost impossible to get a shop to post a roster up online or to find out who was on unless you actually called or visited a shop. Now we have to trawl through pages of advertising to find a normal review or general topic of conversation. A happy meduim would be nice.

[AHLUNGOR]

I remeber the days when it was almost impossible to get a shop to post a roster up online or to find out who was on unless you actually called or visited a shop. Now we have to trawl through pages of advertising to find a normal review or general topic of conversation. A happy meduim would be nice.

I agree, somewhere in between will be great!! We all hated it when there is No information, but we don't want to be flooded with too much and repeated information either.

The forum cannot survive without the advertisers, the members and guests are getting everything for free, we should respect the people who are paying the fees so that we can keep this forum going. There are rooms for 40 threads in each of the front page of General Talks and After Report, I don't have any issue if any one shop like Ginza or Foxy or SL all have a dedicated thread for the shop to post or update info or do whatever with their thread - but I guess one thread per shop will be good.

Then at least we can view stuffs from 40 different shops with info or reviews or general topics. that way it will be a fair game. The key is you are not taking too much room on the front page so that the other shops can not get in.

If other members want to start a new thread on any shop or bring back an old thread because he wants to add something new to it, then he should be free to do so, afterall, this is a free for all forum. If the thread is popular and generated a lot of posts, it will stay on the front page, otherwise, it will fade away very quickly.

Just my 1 cent

Cheers

[rooter]

Looks like detente has collapsed - it was nice while it lasted.
The arms race has started again !

[jellyshots]

The private AR is free from advertisers at the moment, why wouldn't we just post to that one?

[AHLUNGOR]

The private AR is free from advertisers at the moment, why wouldn't we just post to that one?

This is not gonna work, if you want to write something where only 10% of the visitors to this site can read, then by all means!!

The no. of visiting guests always outnumbered registered member about 4/5 to 1, I think when the forum with its peak visitation of 500+, only around 100 were members, well over 400+ were guests, and out of the 100 members, great majority of them were baby members who have no access to the private section, so you do the sum. You want to write for 50 people or rather 500 people can share your thoughts. its a no brainer.

Cheers

[jellyshots]

This is not gonna work, if you want to write something where only 10% of the visitors to this site can read, then by all means!!

The no. of visiting guests always outnumbered registered member about 4/5 to 1, I think when the forum with its peak visitation of 500+, only around 100 were members, well over 400+ were guests, and out of the 100 members, great majority of them were baby members who have no access to the private section, so you do the sum. You want to write for 50 people or rather 500 people can share your thoughts. its a no brainer.

Cheers

I might get in trouble if I move my current AR into the public area tho, lol...

[PhoBot]

This is going to be the last post I make about this topic as I feel I've been pretty vocal already.

What makes this site good is the people who post their after reports. Not the advertisers, not the admin, only the people who spend their money and take time to write a report. I think it's the height of disrespect to allow these reports to be allowed to be used for spam!!

This is one of the better sites of it's type around, but I think the admin/s are being short sighted if they don't realise the current level of spam is a danger to the long term viability of this site for the short term gain of a few $$$

I'm not a communist and hope the admin makes heaps of punting money from this place, but I think they need to seriously think about how to keep this site the great place it is.

And AHLUNGOR, I disagree that members get it for free. We are the ones who keep this site ALIVE by spending our money then posting the reports.
Without these reports, this place would be an empty message board.

[wilisno]

This is going to be the last post I make about this topic as I feel I've been pretty vocal already.

What makes this site good is the people who post their after reports. Not the advertisers, not the admin, only the people who spend their money and take time to write a report. I think it's the height of disrespect to allow these reports to be allowed to be used for spam!!

This is one of the better sites of it's type around, but I think the admin/s are being short sighted if they don't realise the current level of spam is a danger to the long term viability of this site for the short term gain of a few $$$

I'm not a communist and hope the admin makes heaps of punting money from this place, but I think they need to seriously think about how to keep this site the great place it is.

And AHLUNGOR, I disagree that members get it for free. We are the ones who keep this site ALIVE by spending our money then posting the reports.
Without these reports, this place would be an empty message board.

Do you think the customers will punish the offending advertisers by not patronizing them ? I don't think so, or they won't be spamming anymore !

[Beancounter]

Personally it gives me the shits seeing the useless bumps. There is probably a happy medium that could be reached but in the end it's the admins decision.

I use this forum because I find the information I find here the most useful compared to others. But like Wilisno said I ain't gonna punish advertisers for doing this. It's my loss not theirs..
That said why can't admin keep advertisers to General and Roster sections. You can post links to AR in Roster updates..
No use punishing the advertisers when there are no rules against this.. Hell I would do this too to promote my shop if I had one!

[Littlewonder]

This is going to be the last post I make about this topic as I feel I've been pretty vocal already.

What makes this site good is the people who post their after reports. Not the advertisers, not the admin, only the people who spend their money and take time to write a report. I think it's the height of disrespect to allow these reports to be allowed to be used for spam!!

This is one of the better sites of it's type around, but I think the admin/s are being short sighted if they don't realise the current level of spam is a danger to the long term viability of this site for the short term gain of a few $$$

I'm not a communist and hope the admin makes heaps of punting money from this place, but I think they need to seriously think about how to keep this site the great place it is.

And AHLUNGOR, I disagree that members get it for free. We are the ones who keep this site ALIVE by spending our money then posting the reports.
Without these reports, this place would be an empty message board.

I think you sum it up pretty well PhoBot but I doubt that anything will change its all controlled by the famous $$$$$$

[wilisno]

Hell I would do this too to promote my shop if I had one!

That's exactly the point ! If the advertisements don't produce results, why would the advertisers bother to do it, in other words, why would they bother to pay to be in it ?

[Beancounter]

That's exactly the point ! If the advertisements don't produce results, why would the advertisers bother to do it, in other words, why would they bother to pay to be in it ?

I agree, you spend the money to produce positive results. They are allowed to promote their business in this way in return. In acknowledgement to why this thread was created, it's all not positive.

I have already said what I prefer to see but if the admin isn't gonna enforce it, nothing is gonna change. It's like telling people not to speed with no penalties..

I can understand why admin would stay quiet on this but I would like to see their stance so they can put this to bed.. that or I can put a WL to bed

[wilisno]

I agree, you spend the money to produce positive results. They are allowed to promote their business in this way in return. In acknowledgement to why this thread was created, it's all not positive.

I have already said what I prefer to see but if the admin isn't gonna enforce it, nothing is gonna change. It's like telling people not to speed with no penalties..

I can understand why admin would stay quiet on this but I would like to see their stance so they can put this to bed.. that or I can put a WL to bed

Don't you think Admin has already done something ? Rememeber Yamada used to post 12-15 threads at any one time, several times a day ? Why do you think he's slowing down ? I think it's obvious that Admin has done something !

[AHLUNGOR]

In order not to upset the advertisers, may be the Admin can trial something:

Keep the current General Talk, After Report, Private Massage and Shop Rosters sections as they are so everybody is happy especially the shops.

Create a members posting only section (everyone can view this section but shop owners are excluded from posting!) Without the Shop Owners posting, members should be happy and no more complaints about seeing 6 threads from yamada, 5 from MOC, 4 from TP 64, 3 from Ginza, 2 from 5 Star and 1 each from everyone else.

The only problem is, you can restrict the shop owner from posting in this section, but as the number of views and responses from this section skyrocketed and other sections goes quiet !! You can't control people registering new user names such as a sir yamada, MOC II, TP 64.1 and Ginzaboy etc. So there you go. Back to square 1.

Just my two cents, there must be other smart people who has a better solution,

Cheers

[rooter]

These updated threads are annoying to us regulars on the forum and we have seen them all 100 times.
But they are not targetted at us. We are already customers or have already made up our minds about certain shops.
The updated threads are aimed at newbies and more importantly guests.
Check the people on the forum info and you will see guests outnumber members 5 to 1.
These people are often seeing the thread fir the first time. And there are always new guests logging in to view them.
That's why some threads have 1000's of views.
They may annoy us regulars and we just ignore them, but they are clearly an effective way to advertise the agency/shop to new customers.
That's why advertisers will keep on doing it - its good for business.

[AHLUNGOR]

These updated threads are annoying to us regulars on the forum and we have seen them all 100 times.
But they are not targetted at us. We are already customers or have already made up our minds about certain shops.
The updated threads are aimed at newbies and more importantly guests.
Check the people on the forum info and you will see guests outnumber members 5 to 1.
These people are often seeing the thread fir the first time. And there are always new guests logging in to view them.
That's why some threads have 1000's of views.
They annoy the fuck out of us regulars and we just ignore them, but they are clearly an effective way to advertise the agency/shop to new customers.
That's why advertisers will keep on doing it.

Yeap, try 194,947 views, why would we want to change anything, right ?

I brought this thread over from the old forum exactly one year ago yesterday, it's getting on average 532 views a day! I'm sure my little sister is not complaining............