Reply With QuoteObviously the latter. $50 bucks ain't even enough for shop fees these days.Originally Posted by faruk
Is this the total you are willing to pay including the shop fees? Or is it after paying the shop fees?
Obviously the latter. $50 bucks ain't even enough for shop fees these days.
Things aren’t the way they were before that’s for sure.. pre-covid would’ve only been $100 tip max and I’d almost always get FS with BBBJ, DFK.. Nowadays it’s $150 without necessarily getting any kissing, plus only CBJ.. all up with shop fees it becomes almost $250 for the hour
Better off going to Ginza and paying around $50 more but getting everything on offer..
Agreed. For $250+, better to go to Ginza, where the service is guaranteed and also have a great facility like ensuite and proper bed, and clean. You can also select the girl. You can also be guaranteed for one hour in Ginza, and multiple shot. But these are not guaranteed in massage place.
The only difference might be a great massage. But not often you find a great one in these places.
I am looking to try 360 Style. Do you mean to say there are no "extras" there?
I as looking at the Japanese style Spa,body care & Massage - 45 mins ($180). What does this include and exclude? - showering with girl, BS, HJ?
Update: I tried this and confirm everything is included, i.e. shower with girl at start and end, BS, HJ or BJ (although I didn't opt for the BJ). Prices are up a bit from website: $170 30 mins, $200 45 mins. They'll send you the roster on wechat if you ask.
I went with a tiny Japanese girl whose name I forgot. Her body was not quite my taste but she was sweet and did a nice job.
Gee, I get enough BS at home, for free...
Hahahha, some people don't look at what they're writing when they come up with all these acronyms, lolll....
Maybe he was referring bare service?
Or to mean the typical patter of "you handsum man, you so big, me so horny, I only do this for you, you make me so wet, I come 5 times..."
I also highly vouch for Sydney Baby Massage at 18 Hargrave or their sister shop which name eludes me ATM (I think it's 41 Epping) if you are inexperienced at punting, as price is inclusive of a NHJ and the quality is decent to good. This way you aren't wondering how much to tip.
I've actually been going there I realised even before it became Sydney baby, can't recall what it was before but I do recall a lovely Thai girl was my regular and we'd do the lot for 1 hour for like 100. Those were the days.
I've only ever had a couple of average punts there, they weren't bad just not great.
Now does this mean some girls won't try to take you for a ride? Of course not. But generally speaking all the ones I've seen have been fine and of course stuff like a BJ and more cost extra which can be negotiated but at the very least you don't need to worry about your NHJ.
The only caveat is depending on the girl you may get a RNHJ (acronym I just made up, a Remote NHJ) where the girl positions herself far enough that you cant touch anything but she can still tug you. Which sucks. but she just lost a customer and if it gets posted here she's lost a lot more.
Happy punting!
OK, here we go again. Extras are NOT a tip; they're a service charge that is agreed to by both parties for additional services.
Now, the problem I have with a lot of NHJ included shops is that, when discussing additional services, the NHJ base price, with some, will not be considered in the upgrade prices, especially as the NHJ charge has been paid to the shop, not directly to the girl.
I.E.:
- Massage only shop, NHJ not included: Standard: 50 / 100 /150. Thus, FS is 150.
- Massage shop with NHJ included: she may quote 100 /150, which does not consider the pre-paid 50, so you're actually paying 200 for FS. The girl only considers what is paid DIRECTLY to her, in her little hand.
Not always, but enough times that I'm generally put off by this included service fee. When I've pointed out the already paid NHJ fee, I've been told that's for the shop, this is for me. But then, I've been doing this for a long time, it SHOWS, so she knows this is not my first rodeo. And, I know how to say, "No thank you".
YMMV
Thanks the info of this thread is really helpful for someone new to the massage scene (I usually go brothel)
I think 41 Epping sister shop is north Strathfield not SBM?
Yep, that is correct.
Yep sister shops Jayden runs things well there
I vouch for the shop and talent there not too much photoshop decent prices and girls overall aren’t overly pushy
Except the time I almost got in trouble when I walked out blush with the mamasan staring at me like “you cheeky boy” and I powered off through the back door hahaha
But yea know the market prices and don’t let the girls try hustle you and you’ll be right
Thing that gets me is some shops have started writing on pictures ‘ real picture’ almost saying that if it dont have that stamp the others are fake!!?
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When you see the ml for first time always clear [ in a nice way no to sound like you gonna buy a product] the finance and the extras from the very beginning [ definitely before she takes her clothes off] of the session to avoid misunderstandings.
If you agree enjoy the session in full or if she is greedy or she has the wrong attitude, stay only with the massage [ not even nhj ].
You have the total control in the session.
No way an hour [ or shorter time ] session in massage shop to cost [ all up, all included GS ] more or even the same with Ginza average rates that are [ 290$ - 240$ - 190$ ].
For massage shops [ all up, all included GS ] ... 170$ 30min. - 210$ 45min. - 250$ an hour.
GS ... Ginza service, G6 - dfk, daty, fiv, bbbj, fs. About cim it is 50/50.
We all have the same frustrations bro. They all try to bamboozle us even if we are long time regulars.
Something that's working for me now: negotiate everything with the ML before the session and pay when it is finished. No compromise and you will always win.
She did the exact same thing with me even after I saw her a few times and remembered who I was. They don't except HF anymore so she probably pissed someone off bad and they made it very personal.
Speak for yourself. Never happens to me. Perhaps a benefit of age (you say old, I say experienced), Asians do respect age. Perhaps it's my demographic choice. Or maybe they respect a varsity player...
Back when I was JV in SYD, a lot of the time I'd ask about extras at the start. These days, can't remember the last time I did. I just go with the flow, and trust my OWN judgement (as I often say, I follow the Old Knight's advice, "Choose wisely"). Early this year, there was one or two who offered less than I would have wanted on the flip, but they were straight up about it, and were attractive enough that I flew business, not first. A few others, I've been pleasantly surprised at the class of service...
ONE thing to remember is the price you pay the first time, for the SAME class of service, will be the price you pay on subsequent flights. "If it was sufficient once, it should be sufficient again" - works for BOTH parties. Certainly, OVER TIME, prices may drift up, but as a regular, there is still a chance you'll pay your original. Any abrupt, unilateral changes - like I said, doesn't happen with me. If it ever did, it'd ONLY happen once.
I'll pay the MASSAGE fee up front. MOST of the time, even first time, for the SERVICE charges, it's pay after (let's be honest, every ONE of them can outrun me). But if I'm asked to pay the service fee up front, first time, I do. After all, they don't know me, and I lean more to a "exercising caution, she's been burnt on a reneged fee, more than a rip-off". I'm sure, eventually, I MIGHT get burnt, but I'll take the chance. Subsequent visits, always pay after - she knows me, I know her. (Recently, I did forget to pay after, had started for the door. She asked if I'd forgotten something... I'm feeling my pockets, phone-yes, sunglasses-yes, wallet-yes.. "No, have everything." "Money baby?" So, yes indeed, she did fuck my brains out.)
Thing is, it's NOT life and death, and it's NOT a zero-sum game. I prefer win-win. Give respect, get respect. Give trust, get trust. Treat her like an orifice, she'll be an orifice. Treat her like a person, she'll be a person.
Whenever you're talking about "add-ons", I agree, keep it light. For me, on the flip, when she asks "Extras?", I'll ask what does she provide. If she answers my question with a question, "What do want?", I'll repeat. Most often, she'll provide a definite answer (if not, then I'll be specific, and only ask about extras I want; I don't do surveys). If she hasn't included prices (a lot do), then I'll ask.
I don't consider it "negotiating". If her quote is at or lower than my ceiling, it's a done deal, right there. I don't try to go lower. If it's OTT, then I'll just politely decline. Given that that's the way she makes her coin, a counter offer of the requested service will be forthcoming, more often than not. If not, I'll ask about a lower class of service. Works for me, YMMV.
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