Well I think we agree on most of the stuff, IF is just a tool, a good diet in general + exercise is always the bigger picture, if your diet is shit and don't exercise then fasting becomes irrelevant, I've always been a proponent of a long term approach of clean diet + training, I was never a fan of those gimmicks/trendy/fad diets such as keto etc, and I'm not saying IF is the only way to improve gut health etc there are other factors in play (bacteria diversity in the gut, pro+prebiotics etc), but IF definitely helps the gut, someone who eats 8 meals a day vs someone who eats 2 meals a day in a 5 hour feeding window (assuming the diet is the same food), the person doing only 2 meals will have a longer fasting window so the gut can have a break, the problem is constant eating these days (consistent insulin spike), which can lead to blood sugar issues, which can lead to reduced insulin sensitivity or even diabetics, reduced insulin sensitivity = not great for muscle building = worse body composition (less muscle, more bodyfat), ok that's over-simplifying the whole process but you get the idea.Originally Posted by StartedAgain
Like I said a long term approach of good clean diet + exercise is always the bigger picture, IF is an useful tool (if used correctly) it can definitely help with weight loss.
The other day I saw a receipt for a non generic weight loss drug and it was close to $500 which is a lot but if you’re in that situation and it helps why not? I congratulate people that are trying to loose weight.
A WeChat clip I saw yesterday the woman who was 50yrs plus in age said: “ your body is your canvas, if you’re not happy with it then repaint it”.
She was right, we are in control of our bodies.
Once we realise that anything is possible.
I take ozempic for 8 months now I was kg118 now kg92 sugar 6.7 to 5.2 I pay $32 for 4 weeks
Bravo, great effort 26kg!!! Did you plateau at some stages ?
I’m going to find that receipt and see just what the brand was.
Ozempic is heavily restricted now to diabetes sufferers only. Of course the big pharmas found a way around that. They brought out exactly the same product, called it Wegovy, and private buyers can grab it without problems. Not pbs covered so you would pay a premium but if you look up Chemist Warehouse they sell it for $250 for a months course. I have a few friends that are doing this.
Great effort. I have been on Ozempic for around a year and have gone from 102kg to 86kg. I have had several periods where I simply cannot get it, and like posts in this thread it is often due to 'weight loss' demand patients, not diabetics. My 3 month blood used to be well over 10, now around 7. My pancreas does not do well at making insulin. Recently had DNA tests that indicate I have a certain 'reward' gene for eating that releases Dopamine. Thankfully missed the genes other risks of smoking, alcohol abuse and gambling.
Another by positive story and a big congratulations. It’s amazing the results that stuff brings. That script was for someone else the Mounjaro Kwik pen, I knew it had an unusual name $585.
I went up from 90 to 95 and wanted to get back down. Lost 2kg by dropping all sugars and carbs. Excess eating was a problem, going out a lot and eating things I’d never normally eat. So I’ve told my friends no eating for me if I’m going out with them.
We all have our goals and like that lady said, your body is your canvas and you can paint it how you want. Punting being the driving force behind my weight loss.
No big loss now only 200g a week. I want under 80kg and scared to stop using ozempic
That’s what I’m losing now without taking anything. Will power is a hard thing to master as food is just a card swipe away.
Stress is another reason people have trouble losing weight as well. Should be taken into consideration.
I didn’t know that and I just read up on it, they say 10lbs a year weight gain just from stress not extra food.
"Ozempic works by mimicking a naturally occurring hormone. As those hormone levels rise, the molecules go to your brain, telling it you're full. It also slows digestion by increasing the time it takes for food to leave the body."
Personally I think it's pointless taking Ozempic. The body stores fat for energy, the fatter you are the more easily the body releases fat for energy since it has it stored in excess, so a fat person should never struggle to burn fat. The opposite is true when you reach really low body fat %, then the body tries to hold onto fat for critical body functions and hormonal balance and instead will slow the metabolism to offset the need to burn fat.
If you need Ozempic to lose weight when you are already over 20-30% body fat, you are mentally weak and that needs to be fixed first because you will never stay slim until you fix the core problem that is in your head. You need to change your mindset towards food and energy and what is required to burn it. For example if you jog at a moderate pace on a treadmill for 30 minutes, that will burn around 300 calories. Now go to the shopping center and see a "healthy" boost juice that's 600+ calories, this is when you have to ask yourself is this drink worth an hour run? The body is extremely efficient at using food for energy. You need to have this conversation in your head every time you consider eating optional food.
Another thing is your priority should be building muscle, losing fat alone is almost fkn pointless. The body is constantly burning and storing fat, we are fat burning organisms. Bringing your fat down alone is a short term solution, you will just put that all back on the moment you lose some discipline. The long term plan is to build muscle which is fat burning tissue. Ozempic seems counter productive to building muscle if its slowing your digesting and suppressing your appetite. If you want to suppress your appetite, eat high volume foods with low calories like steam veggies or a salad, combine that with some protein and you have a perfect meal.
Stop listening to retards that say you must cut carbs, you will lift weights like a pussy without carbs.
It depends on where you are on your weight loss journey.
No it doesn't matter where you are, you don't need it. People just want to eat stupidly then take a pill as a work around.
What’s the percentage of overweight people in Australia?
Who cares? What's the relevance?
13,000,000 people in Australia are obese as of 2022. Not everyone has strong willpower. If they’re willing to try I see no reason in not giving them the help via medication.
I don’t fall into that category so it doesn’t affect me but it concerns me.
We don’t need processed sugar for starters and it’s as addictive as heroin.
The problem with a quick fix is that its a temporary solution that has no long term benefit. You can undo the progress made with the drug the moment you get off it and go back to your old ways. In the end you have wasted money and got nothing out of it.
Developing willpower is an investment in yourself and it gets easier the more you practice it. Eventually it just becomes second nature and your normal way of life. By taking this drug you are robbing yourself of the learning experience you get by losing weight the correct way. Also its not just willpower, most people don't know the correct foods to eat for weight loss too. People will eat foods thinking it is working towards their goal of losing weight, not realising it's not actually a good option, eg. Sushi is a really bad option for weight loss.
The saying “your body is a temple” is correct. Todays society is about eating a lot of processed foods and we didn’t evolve doing that hence the obesity epidemic.
The other saying “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” is also relevant and people have to want to change.
We live in a push button society and people want a quick fix for everything. I get it and some need weight loss medication to help start them on their journey.
Big pharmaceutical companies tell them they need it so they can make money. Look at the numerous undesirable side effects of this drug, fatigue is listed as one of them. That's exactly opposite of what is needed to be active. It's just another drug for people to become dependent on.
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