First "full service" now i feel abit upset

[Jj999]

For an average WL working in a shop where BBBJ is standard service, if she works 5 days a week, she could easily have done 50 BBBJ's during this period.

Perhaps now I understand why so many brothers try to get BJ and or FS from the MLs in the massage shop, I suppose depending on the girl, if this girl in the massage shop agrees to give you BBBJ in the shop, you could easily be her 1st customer in the week or even in the past two weeks, vs. in the FS shop where you could be the 50th or the 100th customers of the WL, so if there is a risk, the risk factor will be significantly different between a ML and a WL. Fair comment?

While we are on the subject of risk and STD via BBBJ, may I throw a few questions into the ring, so more knowledgeable brothers can have a say for the greater benefits of the members and guests:

Situation 1: The WL is infected in the throat area (STD only, not HIV)

Risk factor: while performing BBBJ to the punter, the punter's cock will come into contact with the infected area and therefore infected as well. Agree/Disagree?

Situation 2: The punter is infected, so his cock is carrying the infection (again, STD only, not HIV)

Rick factor: while receiving BBBJ, his infected cock comes into contact with the mouth or throat of the WL and infected her. Agree/Disagree?

Situation 3: The WL is HIV positive - I am under the impression that you will need a direct contact with bloodily fluid (low risk) or blood (extreme high risk) or semens (extreme high risk) to be infected - Agree/Disagree ?

Risk factor: If the WL has no open cut inside her mouth or not bleeding, the risk of catching HIV from her via BBBJ is low. Agree/Disagree ?
If the WL has got an ulcer or bleeding from her tooth, the risk of catching HIV from BBBJ is high. Agree/Disgree ?

Situation 4: The punter is HIV positive, my impression is you can only be infected by him if the WL's body comes into direct contact with his semens such as via BBFS in the vagina or BB anal (extreme high risk) Agree/Disagree?

Risk factor: The HIV positive punter is receiving BBBJ from the WL, if he does not ejaculate (ie. no semens cums into contact with the WL's mouth), the risk is very low. Agree/Disagree.

If he CIM, and the WL has no open wound inside her mouth and not bleeding, her risk of infection is still low, Agree/Disagree.

If he CIM, and the WL has ulcer, or is bleeding, her risk of infection is high. Agree/Disagree.

For the purpose of this post, we will leaving out other situations involving vaginal sex, anal, DD, DATY, or DFK - mainly just focus on BBBJ only.

Your comments are most welcome.

Let the debate begin.

Just my 2 cents

Cheers

Bro lungor, as the research goes,
There is no clear evidence, HIV is transmitted via Oral sex.
However, to be on the safe side, we always say, the risk is very low.
And if there is clear cut on anyone's mouth or dick while BBBJ. And CIM.
Logically, that's increasing the risk.
And if it's CIMWS, that's another increased risk.

Even if you ask doctor, they'd say there is risk. Because they want to be on the safe side.

If you look at study paper about HIV, the truth is, they say HIV can't be transmitted through oral sex.
The study paper I read, mentioned about the open wound as well though, but not too clear.
What the paper say, it increase the risk.
However, the saliva is great protector from the virus.

That's why normal BBBJ (no open wound, CIM), scientifically, is impossible to transmit HIV.

[AHLUNGOR]

Haha, we are getting oh so technical here!!

I suppose punting and practicing semi unsafe sex ( not talking about BBFS or BBanal here, just BBBJ and may be DFK and DATY only!! ) is a very personal choice and perhaps even a life style choice, if you do it, you all know there is an element of risk, so how much you do it and how much risk you are willing to take is entirely an adult choice or an educated guess!!

This is no difference to smoking, I suppose all adult male smoker know the risk of getting lung cancer in your life time, 15.9% of all male smokers and 24.4 (nearly 1 in 4 !!) for heavy smokers (5+ cigarettes a day) as far as risk is concern, this is probably way higher than STI or STD's

May be it's a male thing, men are just risking taking animals, may be ??

Just my 24.4 cents

Cheers

[Charlie123]

Ok, heres a link to a panel of HIV medical experts who met recently in san fran to discuss this same topic - the possibility of transmitting HIV via receptive oral sex (ie. Woman giving man a BBBJ) .. they discussed two different scenarios - BBBJ without CIM and BBBJ with CIM. Their consensus:

* BBBJ without ejaculation can still potentially transmit HIV (through pre-cum), although it is rare for this to happen

* the spread of HIV via BBBJ with CIM is a medical reality. This happens (although lower likelihood of infection compared to vaginal or anal) - all panelists referred to cases where HIV had been acquired this way.

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=pr-rr-05

[Jj999]

Ok, heres a link to a panel of HIV medical experts who met recently in san fran to discuss this same topic - the possibility of transmitting HIV via receptive oral sex (ie. Woman giving man a BBBJ) .. they discussed two different scenarios - BBBJ without CIM and BBBJ with CIM. Their consensus:

* BBBJ without ejaculation can still potentially transmit HIV (through pre-cum), although it is rare for this to happen

* the spread of HIV via BBBJ with CIM is a medical reality. This happens (although lower likelihood of infection compared to vaginal or anal) - all panelists referred to cases where HIV had been acquired this way.

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=pr-rr-05

The risk, for men and women are different buddy.

Women are more prone to HIV infection than men.

[Ahkungor]

does that green Listerine in the mouth of a WL kill all the bacteria when doing BBBJ?

[Divine]

Abstinence is the safest option!!!

[dirty]

Does anyone know the law as to what STI's mean a WL has to stop work?

Its highly highly likely that anyone who is promiscuous enough(having sex paid or unpaid makes no difference) will still catch diseases like herpes, warts etc even with the use of condoms. If your unlucky to kiss someone with Hep too that will transmit as well. Specially if you have been swapping tonsils with a DFK.

I am sure it doesn't stop any punters.

its why I can only really do a ML punt these days without any conscious or fear of repurcussions

[DeepImpact]

Does anyone know the law as to what STI's mean a WL has to stop work?

Its highly highly likely that anyone who is promiscuous enough(having sex paid or unpaid makes no difference) will still catch diseases like herpes, warts etc even with the use of condoms. If your unlucky to kiss someone with Hep too that will transmit as well. Specially if you have been swapping tonsils with a DFK.

I am sure it doesn't stop any punters.

its why I can only really do a ML punt these days without any conscious or fear of repurcussions

You can read the below link which may assist with your questions. It also provides contact details of who to call if you believe you caught something from a WL. This of course could happen in any shop.

http://www.workcover.nsw.gov.au/form...glish_0120.pdf

Section 13(1) of the Public Health Act 1991, provides that a person who knows that he or she suffers from a sexually transmissible medical condition is guilty of an offence if he or she has sexual intercourse with another person unless, before the intercourse takes place, the person:
a) has been informed of the risk of contracting a sexually transmissible medical condition from the person with whom intercourse is proposed; and
b) has voluntarily agreed to accept the risk.
Section 13(2) of the Public Health Act 1991, provides that an owner or occupier of a building or a place who knowingly permits another person to:
a) have sexual intercourse at the building or place for the purpose of prostitution; and
b) in doing so, commits an offence under subsection (1), is guilty of an offence