Reply With QuoteRates used to be around $100 for FS a couple of years back, but nowadays i almost always pay $150 (even at shops where I’ve paid for the HJ upfront).
What the fuck bro? rub ’n tugs are basically amusement parks for big kids. Different entry fees, different kinds of rides, different thrills and lucky dips. Some are quick walk-ins, some are main attractions, and some you gotta line up for.Originally Posted by Rlks1
In your example, the BJ is basically the carnival laughing clown....you know, the one with the open mouth and the spinning head: quick, silly, and over before you know it. The other is the slip 'n slide: longer ride, more fun, bigger spectacle, and way more setup required.
At the end of the day, you’re not paying for what the ride is; you’re paying for how big and exciting the ride’s gonna be.
Rates used to be around $100 for FS a couple of years back, but nowadays i almost always pay $150 (even at shops where I’ve paid for the HJ upfront).
MLs have become like auctioneers. When you go to a property auction, the auctioneer is always trying to get the bid up by the biggest increments. Say by $50,000 or $20,000.
They don't like it when bidders slow down the process by offering just $5,000 more.... especially early in the auction process.
MLs have been quoting their extras in multiples of $50, where in fact punters can counter-offer in multiples of $20.
She says FS is $150 extra. If it is $120 that's $30 made by her or saved by you.
$30 more over $120 is an extra 25%....... and as many punters have said, she is making this in the last 15 or 20 minutes of the hour's session. Not bad income for her.
Maybe a better strategy is for us punters to not ask the ML for her menu of extras and prices, but to offer her what we want.
If halfway during the massage she asks, "do you want extras today?", don't ask what is on offer. Just reply and say something like, "I feel like sex right now. I have $100 or $120 if you want."
And in all cases, be prepared to go without. These women are clever because they are negotiating the extras with 8 to 12 men every fucking day, while we punters only do it once or twice a week.
---No matter how you look at it, punting is a lot cheaper than divorce.---
And as I've said many times, the latter is why I avoid the "included" shops; providers too often "forget" that "HJ paid to the desk" fee.
My analogy is wine. To some, wine is wine, a pitcher of table wine (you pay for what you drink) or a bottle from a specific area - all the same, so they prefer table. To others, the region matters so they order a bottle.
I think from now on I'll be negotiating from my couch on Wechat from the comfort of home. If the ML wants the work i'll make my way to the shop. Otherwise it's FS and Legit Massage joints for me from now on.
Hey bro, you should put out a formal public tender for the sexual services you are seeking and have all the WLs bid for it. Your tender should include stuff like:
Scope of Services:
Set out a clear schedule of services required e.g., fs, bareback, rimming, daty, dfk, filming, massage, date night etc
Timing:
Specify the required date(s), duration, and any relevant timeframes or deadlines.
Tenderer's Response Requirements:
Require the tenderer to clearly state any exclusions, limitations, or deviations from the scope of services.
Terms and Conditions:
Define the contractual terms and conditions governing the engagement.
Payment Terms:
Stipulate fees, payment method, and payment timing.
Liquidated Damages / Remedies:
Include any agreed consequences or remedies for non-performance or for services not rendered.
This frames the arrangement as a clear, structured contract with defined expectations on both sides.
30 minutes diamond service 150$ tip plus the shop money usually is 55$ to 60$
45 - - - 170$ - - - - - - - 70$ to 75$
60 - - - 190$ - - - - - - - 85$ to 90$
Also, the ml's get money from the shop money as well that is range from 5$ to 20$, it depends on the length of the session and the ml.
If the shop is 'included' then the tip is minus 50$. - Obviously if the ml will not offer diamond service the tip is much lower.
In general the tip for diamond service [ dfk, daty, fiv, bbbj, cfs - cim is 50/50 the possibilities to get in massage shops] is from 140$ minimum to 200$ very max, it depends on the length of the booking.
Happens at FS shops as well.
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Why you leave the ml to control you?
In massages shops you have the Total Control, if the ml asking for extreme tips or her service - attitude are wrong , just stick with her average massage and then leave, you don't have to tip her, you gonna just lose the shop money. - Therefore I never visit 'included' massage shops, unless I know for sure that the ml is great.
Present your offer in the beginning. I am after Part 3 and I offer X amount, if she says no then nhj 50 extra and if she says no then its your lucky day, walk out or change . Its a win win situation unless you are with a greedy ML.
I don’t let it control me. This usually happens at new shops and I tick them off as “one and done”
I’ve just cut back going once a month now visiting the same person I have for the last 12 months
She does charge above standard rates but she makes up for it and I leave satisfied
Less money spent overall and after the last session after some time off, made it better than usual. She even agreed
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exactly this, and if the ml is greedy then goodbye or stay only for massage. - As the ml can ask for any tip she thinks is right for her, the same applies for the customer, can accept, can leave [ just you lose the shop money ] or stay only for massage.
And as I have said above, Therefore I never visit 'included' massage shops, unless I know for sure that the ml is great.
Hi there NC3,
I assume when you said "included" massage shops, you are referring to HJ is included, like 227 Broadway and 252 Stanmore, etc. But I do find them are usually well managed and ML standard services are more reliable. You get the nude hand job included and no question ask, sure, extras may be offered but most of the time I never take up and usually not affecting the attitude and happy ending. where if you have to negotiate about the nude HJ half way through, our $50 standard tip may or may not be enough these days.
Cheers.
There is some merits there in your comments 94wrechers.
I am usually Not a big tipper and on the occasions when I paid for FS in a RnT shop, I hardly ever paid more than $100.
Having said that, throughout my punting journey in Sydney, I think I had paid $200 for FS in RnT shops on 4 different occasions, all in different shops and for different girls, just one thing in common, they were all very desirable and naturally busty (of course.........haha). Once was in the old Chequers with a Korean girl, back then the Korean massage was inclusive with the nude b2b and HJ. but this stunning Korean babe was one right out of the box with her naturally gifted race Queen body. I had the standard session once, and I knew immediately I had to come back and fuck her. so I came back the week after and asked for FS, $200 was the price and I had to pay her upfront, I knew the drill so I had my wallet with me anyway (you usually would leave your clothing and wallet in the shop lockers), it was sensational. Went back for more a couple of weeks later and she was gone for good !
another one was #18 at the Zanadu shop behind the Hilton, she has the all natural 36 Double D cups that I wanted But NO Spanish was possible, I had her a few times with the $50 for nude hand job and I asked for more, her price was $200, agreed and had my fun, back then, you didn't pay the girl for the tips, she would tell the reception how much tips you were going to pay and you paid the reception, still remember the cheeky smile on the receptionist face when she told me the "doi gee" (meaning pay on behalf) was $200.
Two more times I had to pay $200 was more recently and prefer not to name the MLs. again, it's one of those moment that after seeing them multiple times, I told myself I need to be inside her, even just for the one time, so I made the offer rather than asking for extras. the scene was: I handed over the shop fees, then the $200 with the condom and asked: can we make love today? and the deal was done. unfortunately, in both occasions I was either already getting old, or the excitement of finally fucking them was too great, I didn't last too long, the fun was so short lived, it was nearly $1.00 per second....................lol
my final words, if you think that she is worth it, go for it. But this should be reserved for the special lady that you feel that you must have. otherwise, you all know where are the usually better value for money places.
Cheers
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