Anyone having serious relationship with a ML?

[Denny 2020]

Lots of red flags... Used to party etc. Is she still working?

[ditchtheboss]

Very interesting comments. Those folks who talk the WLs down and berate them and call them low value like Thunder something or whatever his name is actually show that have never been out of a shop with the girls. It is clear to me in this thread who has actually met them outside the shops. I have been in long situationships with a few and the ones I met are strong, determined, tough, persistent and have more gumption than most losers here. They are not weak or low quality women. Yes they have chosen a difficult path and in relation to that I doubt that these low value guys here have what it takes to put up with the physical and mental stresses they go through.

If a relationship works out, good luck and all the best but in my experience it is a long shot. The girls very clearly separate their private lives and relationships from their work, most boys don’t and they create fantasies and problems arise. Just one clear example, in a relationship with a WL from her perspective her work has nothing to do with the relationship, her emotions and her heart. The problem is that we met them in a brothel and for her there is always a suspicion that once the guy is there he will always go back and they dont like that. It sounds ironic but it is not, it is a matter of perspective. She wanted me to be hers and not anybody else’s but she doesn’t see her work as giving herself to others. So here lies one of the biggest challenges and it is almost irreconcilable. For the guy, when you are not at home you will worried about her working behind your back to make some more money.

So for the losers and arrogant men here, entitled and who take our benefit of being born I the first world for granted, you are spoiled and don’t have what it takes to survive one day going through the mental and physical stress they go through.

After long situationships with a couple of WLs I strongly recommend that the best advice from the legendary rooter still holds. Pay, fuck and leave, it is best for the both of you.

[DayMan69]

Concur with your post Bravo.
I've been in this game for more than 20 years now and the vast majority of regulars I've gotten to know are hard-working, stoic, decent people. It humbles me and has made me a far less judgemental cock when I think of the challenges these girls overcome to get here and do the work they do. Their attutude in the main seems to be it's hard work, but so's anything that pays well. They shrug and get on with it. Unlike us western cunts with strong social welfare nets.

The successful girls seem to treat it as period in life where they work hard with a big goal in mind. Some examples:
1. Thai girl bought old shop in Nimman, Chang Mai and turned it into a very cool coffee and pastry shop run by her mother and sister. I paid a sneaky visit last year. Brilliant place.
2. Thai girl has set up tourist accomodation in southern Thailand on family land...didn't pay a visit lol, but apparently succesful. She also has an apartment in Bangkok she's paying off.
3. Chinese girl was on to her 3rd investment property back home when i met her... probably not going so well now...
4. Thai girl now has 2 shops here in Sydney. Doing VERY well. Great work ethic, great woman to have on your side her friends tell me.
5. Viet girl paid her way through difficult degree here in Sydney, now has PR and a good starter job in finance industry.
6. Japanese girl doing uni in Japan came down here regularly to finance studies, now owns a retail store in Tokyo somewhere and paying off apartment on her own. Still comes back for a stint to smash the mortgage for a couple of months.

Tough industry and not all rosy stories I'm sure

To OPs question. I used to be firmly on the side of don't do it. But in general, civilian marriage doesn't seem that permanent either. Are you a similar age? Have similar life goals? If you're old and she's young, then no, you're just PR or an ATM. But if you, and i mean you, can get your head around it and your girl is afore-mentionded stoic type, then, hey, give it a shot.

I know 2 relationships where a regular has done the marriage with punter thing. Both relationships still working, both have kids and a life here. Who knows? Neither still in industry but.

[AHLUNGOR]

The successful girls seem to treat it as period in life where they work hard with a big goal in mind. Some examples:
1. Thai girl bought old shop in Nimman, Chang Mai and turned it into a very cool coffee and pastry shop run by her mother and sister. I paid a sneaky visit last year. Brilliant place.
2. Thai girl has set up tourist accomodation in southern Thailand on family land...didn't pay a visit lol, but apparently succesful. She also has an apartment in Bangkok she's paying off.
3. Chinese girl was on to her 3rd investment property back home when i met her... probably not going so well now...
4. Thai girl now has 2 shops here in Sydney. Doing VERY well. Great work ethic, great woman to have on your side her friends tell me.
5. Viet girl paid her way through difficult degree here in Sydney, now has PR and a good starter job in finance industry.
6. Japanese girl doing uni in Japan came down here regularly to finance studies, now owns a retail store in Tokyo somewhere and paying off apartment on her own. Still comes back for a stint to smash the mortgage for a couple of months.

Tough industry and not all rosy stories I'm sure

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Hi DayMan69,


Thanks for sharing, first thing first, many of the current owners of popular and successful RnT shops were working MLs themselves just a few years back, I personally had seen many of them during their working days and now they are all successful business women, of course, many are way ahead of the pack and for all you old timers, we probably would know a few common acquaintances.

But I do have one particular special lady to share:

Melissa was her working name when she was in Elizabeth Street, the Caucasian RnT shop Impression (now Ginza Empire), very busty Aussie brunette making a lot of money. She used to tell me many older Chinese businessmen would offer her 4 figure sum to fuck her, some even bought her real gold jewelleries.


I only had the pleasure of seeing her a couple of times and I stopped going there and concentrated on At Michelle's in Bondi Junction a many years later.

Then one day I was told there is a very busty new girl Cindy starting in AT so I gave her a try, it was Melissa no less and although she didn't remember me, when I mentioned Impressions and she opened up and we talked like old friends.

She told me she basically has retired and owning half a dozen investment rental properties all fully paid off so she can live a comfortable life off her rental income. I asked why are you still working ?
She said she loves to play with cocks and she is still young to be fully retired, life would be too boring. I thought she looked like in her 40's back then, her big tits had sagged quite a bit but her body slides and Spanish are still top of the class. she also told me she loves to fuck young men, especially those 18-20 years old from Indonesia! she said her chosen "toyboys" can fuck all day all night and got hard again, again and again. she went to Jakarta with a network of friends and they would introduce young studs for her to sample, she picked the one she likes and sponsor them to travel to Sydney for a "working" holiday and used them like sex-slaves.

True story !

Cheers


ps. I never had FS with her..............lol
ps2. I was tempting back in Impression days when she was in her prime, but never asked as most likely out of my reach

[schloong]

Interesting reading here thanks gents...

[DayMan69]

Ha, nice story sir A!

You meet some absolute crackers in this world. I always laugh when i hear the ' women aren't as horny as men' thing. They just get sick of regular sex with us and because they don't need that physical release as much they just stop.

I met an older Asian woman in a drummoyne brothel many years ago and enjoyed regular full on sessions with her and occasionally she'd bring in an offsider, but give her the money instead of me getting charged for 2 women. I asked her why once and she said she loved fucking and didnt need the $$.

It was true, i bumped into her in the first class lounge at Syd airport once with her asian hubby. My company was paying for me but she was paying retail. She told me she had investment properties all over the inner west. We looked at each with no glimmer of recognition from either party. Classic.

All i could think of was her eating my ass and getting an absolute railing from me followed by her slurping every last drop of cum from my limp dick the previous Friday.

[ChadThunderrcock]

Very interesting comments. Those folks who talk the WLs down and berate them and call them low value like Thunder something or whatever his name is actually show that have never been out of a shop with the girls. It is clear to me in this thread who has actually met them outside the shops. I have been in long situationships with a few and the ones I met are strong, determined, tough, persistent and have more gumption than most losers here. They are not weak or low quality women. Yes they have chosen a difficult path and in relation to that I doubt that these low value guys here have what it takes to put up with the physical and mental stresses they go through.

I never said these girls were low quality. I said the men who date them are very Low-Value men.

I still stand by what I said. No one is forcing these girls to work as WL's/ML's. They can easily just work at Maccas or Kmart. Or go to school to get a degree and work in some professional field like every other normal girl.

But they chose to do it for quick and easy money where they can make more that a normal job. They chose the field knowing full well the "physical and mental stresses" it will entail.

[ChadThunderrcock]

Concur with your post Bravo.
I've been in this game for more than 20 years now and the vast majority of regulars I've gotten to know are hard-working, stoic, decent people. It humbles me and has made me a far less judgemental cock when I think of the challenges these girls overcome to get here and do the work they do. Their attutude in the main seems to be it's hard work, but so's anything that pays well. They shrug and get on with it. Unlike us western cunts with strong social welfare nets.

The successful girls seem to treat it as period in life where they work hard with a big goal in mind. Some examples:
1. Thai girl bought old shop in Nimman, Chang Mai and turned it into a very cool coffee and pastry shop run by her mother and sister. I paid a sneaky visit last year. Brilliant place.
2. Thai girl has set up tourist accomodation in southern Thailand on family land...didn't pay a visit lol, but apparently succesful. She also has an apartment in Bangkok she's paying off.
3. Chinese girl was on to her 3rd investment property back home when i met her... probably not going so well now...
4. Thai girl now has 2 shops here in Sydney. Doing VERY well. Great work ethic, great woman to have on your side her friends tell me.
5. Viet girl paid her way through difficult degree here in Sydney, now has PR and a good starter job in finance industry.
6. Japanese girl doing uni in Japan came down here regularly to finance studies, now owns a retail store in Tokyo somewhere and paying off apartment on her own. Still comes back for a stint to smash the mortgage for a couple of months.

Tough industry and not all rosy stories I'm sure

What a load of crap. Is this what these girls have told you?

The Thai and Viet girls are all doing it to support their kids, family and dead-beat husbands/boyfriends back in their home country while telling you Old, Bald, Fat Farangs that she is "single".

The Chinese girl is doing it to buy her luxury products and hopefully be able to marry an Aussie for a Visa/PR.

The Japanese girl is doing it to support her host and to pay off her host club debts.

[priapus1966]

A lot of generalizations and judgmental comment in this thread. I worked as an expat in East Asia and UK for some 30 years and see very little value in examining the motives of either punters or providers. I just think that if we as punters are kind and treat the women who serve us well and courteously, many wonderful experiences and friendships will follow. But at the end we leave, graciously and gratefully I hope.

[NC3]

I have been dating a girl I met in a massage shop for a few months now. She is very beautiful in terms of look and body. Random people on the street will sometimes comment when we go out that IÂ’m a such lucky man to have such a stunning girlfriend. She has a good personality too, used to like party and club but is now willing to stay at home with me.

Things are getting a bit serious after months and she is willing to settle down. IÂ’m on the other side not sureÂ… at the end of the day we have differences in many ways.

Anyone has any positive experience with similar situation? I know everyone is different but just wanted to hear any real life case.

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If she is still working in massage shop the relationship cannot be serious, is not serious - If she has quitted the adult field and seriously wants to find work or study something [ can be both at the same time] then yes you can consider staying with her. - Has good personality, she is pretty ... good combination indeed. ---Also, to go out with your friends to dance [ no to be drunk ] in clubs is beautiful, nothing wrong with that.

[Jeaso]

I never said these girls were low quality. I said the men who date them are very Low-Value men.

I still stand by what I said. No one is forcing these girls to work as WL's/ML's. They can easily just work at Maccas or Kmart. Or go to school to get a degree and work in some professional field like every other normal girl.

But they chose to do it for quick and easy money where they can make more that a normal job. They chose the field knowing full well the "physical and mental stresses" it will entail.

I mean if they start the relationship and say ''alright I will stop working here and go work at Kmart or whatever'' then hey that's showing promise for this to work out right?
But overall, I think it is hard for some of these women as they have limited English, and so not many legitimate businesses that pay somewhat decent would hire these girls given their qualifications, plus if they're on a student visa (which most of them are) it also limits their hours.

Plus let's face it, if guys could do this job instead, then all of us would be doing it way past retirement age and none of us would be in an office or at a construction site.

Like many have said, I think if you set up boundaries at the beginning and see where that takes you over time, then you gauge whether this relationship will be worth it.
If there will be many fights and different type of jealous outbursts then it obviously won't work, but like any relationship, if you're both willing to make it work, then why not?

[Candy1234]

How cute, just like hearing love stories on here… could be a sick kdrama plot.

I’ve been out with a few for dinner as friends, yes they’re as normal as “normal” can be according to society. I guess it can be easy to cope some feels since you already know her inside and out. Good luck with it all, nice to see a happy ending 😉 😉

[johncitizen]

The successful girls seem to treat it as period in life where they work hard with a big goal in mind.

And when they reach that big goal, they can truthfully say that they sucked a lot of cock to get where they are.

[Double_Adapter]

And when they reach that big goal, they can truthfully say that they sucked a lot of cock to get where they are.

Some chicks suck cocks while others fuck their bosses to reach their big goal. Blokes will kiss and sniff ass all day, while others will happily bend over and get screwed just to reach their big goal. At the end of the day we're all whores selling our bodies, our time, and our skills for a fistful of dollars. The only difference is some use a masssge table while others an office desk. So is the goal really worth it or does the journey fuck you up before you get there?

[11Bravo]

Dating is one thing, a serious relationship is another. And with a working girl, a whole lot more.

I totally agree with the above post that providers compartmentalize: clients in one, personal relationships in another. In the former, she's an actress; GFE is just a role. In the latter, she will expect what everyone expects in a real relationship, support.

Think you need to decide on whether or not it bothers you she's still selling sex. And would she be willing to quit?

• NO, doesn't bother. OK. But are you prepared to provide her the mental and emotional support of a civilian relationship? Think most of us, when we come home from work, will talk about our day with our partner, the good AND the bad. Can you handle that? Offer her support? Or just cut her off because you really don't want to hear about it.
  
  
• YES, does bother. OK. You want her to quit, take a civilian job. Fair enough; she just might be happy with that too. BUT you're asking her to take a salary cut to be in a relationship with you. Are you prepared for some reciprocity, a salary cut of your own? Because, at least with all the ones I know, a chunk of that money is going home to family. So are you willing to financially support her to offset at least some of her loss? She's financially sacrificing for you; will you do the same for her?

Up to you to decide. Is it the ego trip of being seen with her, hearing the compliments, spending casual time with her? Or is she a REAL person, one you might want a future with? Are BOTH of you wanting to settle down with the other? Because, remember, a working girl has a shelf life, and depending on her immigration status, an in-country life. She is aware of both. Perhaps you're a method to extend that, perhaps not.

Lesson learned a LONG time ago: never promise nor imply a future that you can't deliver. Scars to both.

[johncitizen]

So is the goal really worth it or does the journey fuck you up before you get there?

The journey definitely fucks you up. But if the goal is worth it, you will put up with it to get there.

[Double_Adapter]

Lesson learned a LONG time ago: never promise nor imply a future that you can't deliver. Scars to both.

I heard something similar
- Never make decisions when you're sad
- Never reply when you're angry
- Never make promises when you're happy

[johncitizen]

Lesson learned a LONG time ago: never promise nor imply a future that you can't deliver. Scars to both.

Sage advice.

[GoldfishMan]

I mean if they start the relationship and say ''alright I will stop working here and go work at Kmart or whatever'' then hey that's showing promise for this to work out right?

How about they say "alright I will stop working."?
I know we don't want them working in this trade anymore. They're all yours. But when it comes to the cost of making that happen, are you ready to bear it? Is your criteria "stop working this trade" or actually "stop working this trade but work another low paying trade so I don't have to support you and get to fuck you for free"?

[11Bravo]

Plus let's face it, if guys could do this job instead, then all of us would be doing it way past retirement age and none of us would be in an office or at a construction site.

Paid to have sex? Yea, methinks NOT, based on all the whines here. "Oh, she's old, 30 at least. Whoa... too heavy. No way, she's natural, not shaven. Too much of a belly..." Because with things turned around, it's you servicing the, should we say, less than desirable. The equivalents of the OBFF. The job is sex for money, and while you can choose who you see, I think very few see Brad Pitt types, so the equivalent is not so many Uni SYT's. It's the MILF's, GILF's, etc., etc. DATY to your hearts content on any snatch that walks in - oops, where's the dental dam? And I'd think they'd want a true orgasm, not the FOAM you hear, not really caring if you yourself get off. If your job, the way you put a roof over your head, food in your belly, support your family, is based on the number of clients you have, then your "freedom of choice" is limited, expanding to the wider female population.

Simple. Just imagine EVERY one that you've turned down, walked away from, ran away from, now... they're your meal ticket. But maybe I misunderstood.