Dolly - disappointment :(

[xhunter]

Paying diamond price and expecting a diamond quality service is valid and not a misconception.

Dont think anyone can beat service on Victoria, Cassie, Jasmin, saki and etc
Diamond class doesn't means top service, I have seen some top service girls, rate Jasmin the highest, she is only Golden. and saki only Silver Premium class.

[Punter Poontang]

Diamond class doesn't means top service, I have seen some top service girls, rate Jasmin the highest, she is only Golden. and saki only Silver Premium class.

This guy gets it. :-)

Good post before by Massageguy too, the girls aren't machines, there's always going to be an element of YMMV based on how you click. But complaining about not getting CIM .... how can you complain about not getting an extra, that you're not entitled to as it's at the girls discretion, that you didn't even pay for??

As I see it, the only legit complaint is still RE: DFK, and if Onepunt mentioned it to Wilson after his session, instead of raising it here a week later, maybe my session the following day would've been even better ....

I'm gonna have a bex and a lie down now, this thread's doing my head in. Promise not to bite at the next poster displaying an epic fail of comprehension.

[syphon]

I booked to see Dolly last Monday at 5.30 after reading some good reports! Wanted to be first for the day!
When she opened the door, not quite what I expected but I was not disappointed. She is gorgeous in a cute, natural way. No tats, on fake tits. Into the shower and lots of soaping up and kissing (admittedly not quite dfk) then down for some very nice bbbj.
Out of the shower and onto the bed! More bbbj which is very good! then into 69. She loves daty and the juices were really flowing.
When it was time to fuck, she reached for the lube tube almost instinctively, looked at me and smiled and put it back down. She realised she didn't need it! We fucked in mish, doggy, flat doggy, and back to mish for ages and she was so into it!!
Studying her face whilst in mish, I thought wow you really are beautiful! So, have to disagree with the negative feedback she has received.
Is she better that some of the girls who are less expensive? I guess that is debatable. As has been pointed out, she is obviously platinum level because she looks so cute, fresh and innocent.
I have not met her friend Cat yet. She is next!
On the way out I asked when Jessica was coming back. Was told mid November. She apparently has had a boob job! aghhh Why do so many girls want to do that! Her tits were great.

[numberonebigsize]

Why is it on this forum that every time a contributor/member/punter posts anything negative or non complimentary he is attacked unmercifully as a dumbass dickhead whose opinions are worth jackshit by all the keyboard jockeys/senior members/experts that grace these pages. I personally know 5 members of this forum who, like me,punt about twice a week but refrain from posting A/Rs for the very reasons stated above.
I attended CBD doubles/Ginze 2/3 times every week when they were in the city/Maroubra but have only been to cleveland st once,dont like grading system.Old system worked well before,never had a problem.

[heatseeker]

Im going to add to numberonebigsizes post, and even up this debate a little

It is always the case that the customer has to clarify what he is paying for at all times - beforehand

What noubroz has found, is that even at Diamond Class level at a great place like Ginza, you have to clarify carefully what is included

The only mention of the subject of services on the website (where most newcomers find out about Ginza for the first time) is "All kinds of GFE & PSE".
What is not stated, which adds mystique to the place, is that services may vary, even at Diamond Class level

But the fun about Ginza is this mystery and finding out yourself which Class you like best !

What my own personal preference would be, is that the Diamond Class woman should do all the basics to totally satisfy the guy
And as far as I am concerned, the basics at such a "Diamond Class level" include DFK, GFE, CIM/COF/COB, and not finishing before the time allocated

Note that Greek or other more exotic expectations are NOT basic

We all have had GF and ex GFs who wont do CIM, so if Diamond Class level is no better than my ex GF, I wanna know beforehand

I would like to finish by saying Ginza is awesome, and I agree with all the posters saying the Manager does an absolutely fantastic job, and the ladies are superb

[gimpy]

Sorry to be rude but for a second I though she was a transexual

But you still fucked it anyway? Are you sure you didn't think that for longer than a second?

dont like grading system.Old system worked well before,never had a problem.

Have you ever seen Miss Saigon?

[Punter Poontang]

Right. If you ' re saying its purely looks alone then does that mean she is a class (or classes above) the others at Ginza?

But of course, looks is subjective.

Now as you and others have said, if other ginza girls provide better service at less price, isn t it then perfectly valid to question why Diamond girls are classed above the others?

That last question has already been answered numerous times .... for the last time, as I understand you are paying for a genuinely young, attractive mixed blood girl. Any assumption that you're getting a better level of service is just that, an assumption.

Agree, as you said, looks are subjective. But getting back to your first question, imo she's one of the three hottest girls I've booked at Ginza. The other two are GCP, but slightly older.

[Punter Poontang]

What my own personal preference would be, is that the Diamond Class woman should do all the basics to totally satisfy the guy
And as far as I am concerned, the basics at such a "Diamond Class level" include DFK, GFE, CIM/COF/COB, and not finishing before the time allocated

Only disagree with you on the CIM/COF part, they are clear extras and the shops policy and price guidance on them is well known. Imo it is not reasonable to expect they're included at any level .... other agencies that do guarantee it above the girls discretion also have a higher price range (~$350) so it's obviously been built in.

[heatseeker]

Punter Poontang
So the highest class girls are "genuinely young, attractive mixed blood girl"
Can you explain this "mixed blood girl" to the newcomers

Having enjoyed "pure C-girl", "pure J-girl", "pure K-girl" and "pure Thai-girl", Im all ears

Whats the advantage of the mixed blooded lady, and provide examples of your preferences

[CunningLinguist]

Studying her face whilst in mish, I thought wow you really are beautiful!

Girls faces usually look really good when you have your cock inside them while doing mish ...

[Oneonone]

Only disagree with you on the CIM/COF part, they are clear extras and the shops policy and price guidance on them is well known. Imo it is not reasonable to expect they're included at any level .... other agencies that do guarantee it above the girls discretion also have a higher price range (~$350) so it's obviously been built in.

You can get CIM / COF for less in fact you can get it for $150 not all girls offer it so you need to check who does it if that's what you want just go to 533 Willoughby road.

I am sure you can get it at other shops for a similar price.

If you pay over $ 200 for these services then that's up to you but for me its not value for money. YOMV

[Punter Poontang]

Why is it on this forum that every time a contributor/member/punter posts anything negative or non complimentary he is attacked unmercifully as a dumbass dickhead whose opinions are worth jackshit by all the keyboard jockeys/senior members/experts that grace these pages. I personally know 5 members of this forum who, like me,punt about twice a week but refrain from posting A/Rs for the very reasons stated above.

You're obviously talking about me and the childish name-calling is completely unnecessary.

I've already apologised in advance for coming across as defensive, I don't hide I'm a very happy customer of Wilson's and don't want to give any impression of speaking on his behalf. All I've tried to point out is that, imo, punters have clearly had unfounded and unrealistic expectations due to the price point. I've pointed out why I think that, given examples why I think that, and highlighted what I've read as Ginza's official stance on it.

No-one has yet been able to contradict that beyond saying "but, but, but, she costs more therefore she should perform better" .... which is an inherently floored assumption, also for reasons I've previously documented.

I also have a strong intolerance of stupidity in all its forms, and am not afraid to point it out when other guys completely fail to comprehend what has already been repeatedly stated. Sue me.

In light of all that, do you care to point out where I've "unmercifully attacked" anyone?? It's called a discussion, that's what forums are for. If you can't handle differing opinions (mind, mine's the only one with rational justification), then the interweb is clearly not for you.

[Punter Poontang]

You can get CIM / COF for less in fact you can get it for $150 not all girls offer it so you need to check who does it if that's what you want just go to 533 Willoughby road.

I am sure you can get it at other shops for a similar price.

If you pay over $ 200 for these services then that's up to you but for me its not value for money. YOMV

With respect, I've never been there so can't comment personally, but my understanding is the girls at 533 are significantly older.

Anyways, that's by the by, my comment referred to Ginza's extras policy which is well documented. That cash goes direct in the girls pocket, with the service offered at her discretion, it's not reasonable to expect those are included in any category.

[garfield]

I enjoyed my time with dolly and paid for what I've got, a young mixed blood girl.

I don't compare girls because they are different and you get something different with each one. That is good because this is the variety we men like to have.

The classes are a general classification, for more money you tend to get younger and harder to find girls like mixed blood in this case.

Every girl strives to give you a good experience but chemistry between people are all different, so you can get a good punt or bad punt in any class.

In fact if Wilson can find a genuine 18 years old mixed Japan and Aussie like Melissa, I don't really care how she performs as long as I can have her.

If you just want a good punt, try only those that have been proven over time like Cassie, jasmin and more.

[heatseeker]

Punter, I think you have made your point clear about Ginza's policy, and thanks for clarifying things

My point is that Im not paying top dollar to a lady who has the same basic restrictions as many of my ex GFs, ie no CIM

CIM is a basic if Im paying top dollar. Full stop

My opinion, and the opinion of many

Now if 'mixed bloods' make the expense worthwhile, can we have a few examples of the racial mixtures you are talking about, to support your point of bigger expense = a better experience

[Punter Poontang]

Punter Poontang
So the highest class girls are "genuinely young, attractive mixed blood girl"
Can you explain this "mixed blood girl" to the newcomers

Having enjoyed "pure C-girl", "pure J-girl", "pure K-girl" and "pure Thai-girl", Im all ears

Whats the advantage of the mixed blooded lady, and provide examples of your preferences

Better still, refer to their roster & official girl descriptions. That's where it clearly states the Diamond girls are mixed, lists their heritage, and states that's what separates them from the pack.

I've never said it's an advantage, since you asked my preference is for 100% Japanese girls, but variety IS the spice of life. :-)

[heatseeker]

Fair enough Punter Poontang, and there you are saying guys should pay a premium for mixed bloods. WTF ?
You like 100% J girl. Good stuff
My preference?
100% K girl
Oh, hang on, maybe 100% J girl
Hang on, 100% K girl
Oh forget it

[Punter Poontang]

Punter, I think you have made your point clear about Ginza's policy, and thanks for clarifying things

My point is that Im not paying top dollar to a lady who has the same basic restrictions as many of my ex GFs, ie no CIM

CIM is a basic if Im paying top dollar. Full stop

My opinion, and the opinion of many

No worries mate, appreciate your contribution to the discussion.

If it's that important to you, I'd suggest you clarify with them in advance whether or not CIM is going to be likely before booking a girl for the first time. I'm well aware of the policy so never expect it, although most will, for the record Dolly is not the first girl I've seen to deny it. It was in no way a dampener as it's not that important to me, the DFK thing was a slight dampener and I agree that's a legitimate complaint .... at ANY level at Ginza.

[heatseeker]

The other flaw of this "more expense means more beauty, not more services" is that often the most beautiful women are the coldest

If a gorgeous woman is not going to give me DFK, then to me its like licking my plasma screen while watching a movie actress in a movie

Cold

[Punter Poontang]

Fair enough Punter Poontang, and there you are saying guys should pay a premium for mixed bloods. WTF ?

No mate, I never said that and note you've edited your earlier post to ask something similar.

All I'm doing is stating the shops reasons for differentiating those girls, and giving them a higher price range. I've deduced that solely from what's posted on the official roster / description page.

I guess there's a widely held belief that "Eurasians" are more beautiful .... while looks are always subjective, they're certainly more exotic and rarer to find. So I assume on some level you're paying for that rarity above all else, classic supply and demand at work!! :-)


EDIT: I'll note that although Dolly didn't use her tongue to kiss me, she was anything BUT cold.