Dolly - disappointment :(

[Punter Poontang]

I hope it's been a useful discussion, still feel for Noubroz but understand Wilson's position too. Just wanted to clarify this again:

What surprised me most, was that sometimes Diamond Class doesnt include DFK.
This subject only came out later, when a punter revealed Diamond Class DFK with some ladies may be an optional extra. This has yet to be denied by the manager, I think the class system makes it optional but am happy to be corrected

DFK is not an optional extra, it's a standard service at all class levels of Ginza, and as I understand has already been rectified with Dolly.

Some girls have different styles, and of course sometimes it will depend on how you click as to just how passionate the kissing will be. Dolly's kisses were very much at the LFK end of the spectrum in my session, it was the one thing I thought she could improve on after what was an otherwise flawless session .... she was still anything but cold throughout, very service-oriented, great GFE with some PSE highlights.

I mentioned it to Wilson on the way out because he asked more specifically for feedback on her, but I made sure he knew it was an observation of her having a softer style, not a complaint as I still had a great time with her. Even so, it seemed to have been addressed that day, as other punters after me (Gucci for one) said she offered full-on DFK in their session.

Wilson has also confirmed in his post in this thread that she has been spoken to about it, and she's aware that aspect has to improve. That's a great outcome imo, and shows how proactive Wilson is at maintaining the service levels .... which lets face it, is what gives Ginza it's reputation and is why the majority of us punt there.

[Punter Poontang]

Mate your last paragraph summarises exactly what i am talking about. Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless. Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable materiel hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc.

I've made my position and my "motives" abundantly clear. For you to make an assumption and jump to conclusions about it only proves you're a fool.

Besides, almost every poster wants LESS interference from shops, who almost NEVER post in the AR section but for their shameless bumps. Ginza don't resort to that and are often commended as a great advertiser for how they conduct themselves on here .... knowing that, I chimed in.

I've still yet to be proven wrong and believe the discussion has proved useful. You're still yet to answer my question about where I "unmercifully attacked" anyone .... won't hold my breath waiting for that answer, good luck finding it. :-)

[noubroz]

There is truth in every thread of all this conversation.

The point is now that I actually didn't do anything wrong. As mentioned numberonebigsize "Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless." and for that I'm now blacklisted, that's crazy.

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.

[heatseeker]

"Besides, almost every poster wants LESS interference from shops, who almost NEVER post in the AR section but for their shameless bumps"

Can I politely disagree?

Many here welcome, when a business clears up any misunderstandings, thus ensuring punters book appropriately. The main input from Ginza read by all, did seem to be a swift negative reaction to a frequent punter.

[wilisno]

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.

Haha ! This is another proof that punters can't be annoyed enough to boycott a shop, as long as they can provide good girls, they'll be back !

So all those talks of boycotting shops that are serial spammers are actually negligible !

[IExperiment]

There is truth in every thread of all this conversation.

The point is now that I actually didn't do anything wrong. As mentioned numberonebigsize "Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless." and for that I'm now blacklisted, that's crazy.

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.

Let me spell it out to you Wilson wanted you to be upfront with him instead complaining on the forum is as simple as that. He does not like back-stabber like me got that or he feel that he was backstab as you told him all ok but than you complain as he would prefer to fix it there and than, so I suggest you take it easy and give it a week and try again as we all have miss-understanding sometimes. Were all individual and sees things differently.

[IExperiment]

"Besides, almost every poster wants LESS interference from shops, who almost NEVER post in the AR section but for their shameless bumps"

Can I politely disagree?

Many here welcome, when a business clears up any misunderstandings, thus ensuring punters book appropriately. The main input from Ginza read by all, did seem to be a swift negative reaction to a frequent punter.

I actually prefer the Ginza way in advertising and I dont wanted to speak for other punters.

[heatseeker]

Wilisno, are you going for your first Platinum Class soon ?

[wilisno]

Wilisno, are you going for your first Platinum Class soon ?

All in good time !

[Gucci2012]

Mate your last paragraph summarises exactly what i am talking about. Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless. Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable materiel hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc. Remember,he supplies the product,he is responsible for the quality and performance of the product...just like any business and it is this forum that describes Ginza as a well run business. Lets have totally honest reviews which will help us all instead of the gushing essays that abound on here from the Oscar Wilde/Mark Twain/Charles Dickens wannabees.I must admit I log on every day hoping the great Steven Segal has posted one of his legendary reviews. This guy obviously treats his punts as fun,entertainment and just a pastime..He enjoys himself no matter what,not an angry word to be seen. Hey guys loosen up.take a leaf out of his book.

So your saying members who do AR's for Ginza are fake and long winded and they do it because Ginza management lets them que jump??? You can prove this how exactly? That's the biggest load of sh*t ever.

[heatseeker]

I'm still waiting some form of clarification of the following
If someone makes a booking and is told that for that lady, a certain service is provided, such as DFK, can a Platinum lady still refuse that service if she doesn't like the guy?

[Punter Poontang]

Can I politely disagree?

Many here welcome, when a business clears up any misunderstandings, thus ensuring punters book appropriately. The main input from Ginza read by all, did seem to be a swift negative reaction to a frequent punter.

Only if you're polite. ;-)

Nah, I get what you're saying, and apologies I didn't phrase that well. There have been plenty of examples of other shops ignoring complaint threads and not posting to clarify .... which I agree is poor form.

I think it's great user "GINZA" posted in here, what I meant is that they have a very low profile here so I thought it unlikely they would comment. At the same time I was never trying to speak on their behalf, just posting what I understood to be the case with classes / service standards.

[wilisno]

I'm still waiting some form of clarification of the following
If someone makes a booking and is told that for that lady, a certain service is provided, such as DFK, can a Platinum lady still refuse that service if she doesn't like the guy?

I'll say yes. But the right way to do it should be offering you some sort of compensation, a discount or a change of girl !

[Gucci2012]

There is truth in every thread of all this conversation.

The point is now that I actually didn't do anything wrong. As mentioned numberonebigsize "Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless." and for that I'm now blacklisted, that's crazy.

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.

I hope your not desperate like other guys who got blacklisted and start begging to come back then when that fails start making text bookings via different numbers(new sim cards, borrowing friends Mobile phones) and then show up like nothing happened only to be rejected at the door.

[Punter Poontang]

So your saying members who do AR's for Ginza are fake and long winded and they do it because Ginza management lets them que jump??? You can prove this how exactly? That's the biggest load of sh*t ever.

He also suggested taking a leaf out of another punters book in posting AR's while having contributed ..... oh wait, how many?? lol

[wilisno]

I hope your not desperate like other guys who got blacklisted and start begging to come back then when that fails start making text bookings via different numbers(new sim cards, borrowing friends Mobile phones) and then show up like nothing happened only to be rejected at the door.

I can't see why Ginza doesn't want to take noubroz back, after all this happenings, it only works to Ginza's benefit to take him back !

[heatseeker]

This post originally was about a punter and a lady.
The confusing thing to me with the Ginza ranking system is it seems that the wrong person got blacklisted

[Gucci2012]

I can't see why Ginza doesn't want to take noubroz back, after all this happenings, it only works to Ginza's benefit to take him back !

Wilson treats all his customers with the gentleness of Velvet Gloves which is how all businesses should treat customers...but sometimes Velvet Gloves need to step aside for an Iron Fist to send a message.

"What's the message?": feedback to management is serious and not "silly" business.