Reply With Quotethey TAX what you OWNOriginally Posted by maguro
they TAX what you EARN
they TAX what you BUY
......the cunts can't be trusted!
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Let that be part of your imagination.
You don't want to know everything.
One thing I'm sure that Ada hates to read this and the effect it does to her shop.
She is the high priest in cultivating the punters in this forum since the early days of 200 Parramatta Rd.
they TAX what you OWN
they TAX what you EARN
they TAX what you BUY
......the cunts can't be trusted!
They did shut it down ask the shops next door they probably told the council. Councils will get tougher you cannot have FS shops paying DA fees thousands of dollars and sneaky massage shops disguising themselves and providing FS.
The Council wants fees.
As for Sammy I have had a massage from her I figured it out in 2 seconds she was a pre-op she was ok nice girl not bad massage everything else is hopeless.
The problem is i agree with the first post you must advertise if it’s a ladyboy or not. It’s totally wrong.
The whole world knows Thais cannot be trusted smiling assassins.
Unfortunately it’s got to Ada’s head and she should pull her head in. I know her for years she is a decent lass but she has definitely changed which is not good. Unfortunately in this situation she is totally wrong.
Be yourself Ada.
I just saw the roster Sammy the post op ladyboy is working at Stanmore today. Like I said some customers might like her Ada should advertise her as Post-Op.
That’s why the Council closed Five Dock. A disgruntled customer or a neighbour can go to the Council report the business and they will be closed.
I used to work for a Council and they are aware of these illegal massage parlours running sex services. They have set up an Environmental Team to go around in suburbs.
They will start closing a lot down. They closed a few in the Hills District it’s only a matter of time.
Fuck I think I was in denial but after seeing the replies I fear you might be right.
What are our thoughts on Meena and Momo from the same shop? Meena has the body of a very petite male, mainly due to lack of assets. Momos service is amazing but the face always gave me 2nd thoughts.
QUACK, QUACK, QUACK…
Her LEGAL ENTITLEMENT TO PRIVACY AND SAFETY IS FUNDAMENTAL and her MEDICAL and SURGICAL HISTORY is PRIVATE .
You are not entitled to it because you paid for 30 minutes.
Yet here you are publicly speculating when you don’t even know the facts.
One says PRE-OP.
Another POST-OP.
Both certain.
And the “consumer rights” indignation. ??? Really
“she/he”
“backdoor entry”
scars
erections
her genitals
“Thais cannot be trusted”
Consumer advocacy?
Really?
KATHOEY — loosely “ladyboy” to the West — sits in a very different cultural and social space in Thailand.
Then add the ugly Australian bit.
Male entitlement. Prejudice. Outrage
Because YOU are uncomfortable, YOU are somehow entitled to dismiss her right to SAFETY, PRIVACY and CONSENT?
NO.
You paid for her time and whatever extra was agreed.
You did not buy the woman. - You got a service. No complaint - Then later you 'found' something out.
Now you feel different. - Refund?
Or refuse to pay for an extra already received?
Seriously?
NOTHING ABOUT THE WOMAN CHANGED.
NOTHING ABOUT THE SERVICE CHANGED.
YOUR PERCEPTION CHANGED.
Yet from that comes outing, humiliation and a public autopsy of the woman…
followed by you all trotting about on your Olympic-grade hobby horses.
QUACK, QUACK, QUACK
And those demanding the shop advertise her as a LADYBOY —
Who gave CONSENT for the shop to label and advertise her that way?
Her private information is not theirs to market.
Without her consent, they have no business doing it.
And you none!
Cumquat I like to agree with you mate but you’re wrong. We all know many shops advertise fake photos size, age etc etc.
But when you book a female you should get a female. My opinion. I have been with Sammy I knew in 1 second she was a ladyboy and I could have walked out and chose somebody else. But I didn’t and it was my choice.
She definitely must have her regulars and popular because she is still around. Some guys probably don’t mind because who would think a ladyboy is working in a massage shop.
But yes they must let customers know.
I appreciate your opinion and the IMPORTANT point you made .. was I saw Sammi and i chose to stay ,. You obviously found both her attractive and her service enjoyable.
At anytime did she discuss anything that made you feel uncomfortable or have the right to demand/ask she reveal to you anything of hers which is private and confidential ? No
You stayed you enjoyed yourself . You made a choice to stay, which is consent..
But you’re confusing two different things.
Misrepresentation and CONSENT.
Fake photos. Fake age. Fake nationality.
That’s misrepresentation.
Here, you chose to book her from her profile.
You met her.
You saw the woman standing in front of you.
You chose to go ahead.
She gave you the service you agreed to and paid for.
Did you enjoy it?
Was it what you expected?
Then later you “found” something out about her private history and suddenly the whole transaction becomes dishonest?
I could just as easily say:
I thought I booked a straight woman. Later I found out she was a lesbian. Now I feel deceived because of everything I told her during the session.
Weak argument?
Of course.
That’s the point.
It has about as much to do with fake ages, fake nationalities and fake photos as this does.
Your argument still starts with one assumption:
“A trans woman is not a woman.”
That’s your opinion.
Not a consumer fact.
And it still doesn’t cancel HER RIGHT TO SAFETY AND PRIVACY.
Her personal, medical and surgical history is HERS.
Unless SHE CONSENTS to it being disclosed.
The transaction is dishonest, lmao fake age and photos are still represented to be female by birth.
A trans woman is not a woman and that is fact, sorry for your obviously left wing view.
Her right to safety and privacy? Giving a recount of my experience just like any other working girl on this forum.
She advertises herself as a woman despite not being a woman, that's the issue. Yes it changes the entire interaction because how many punters would never select her if they were actually honest about her being a dude with a schlong that's just had surgery.
Talking about his scarring is literally describing their physical appearance just like any other review.
The lesbian argument doesn't even make sense because in you're argument they're still a natural woman, their sexuality isn't relevent if she's delivering the service as a woman. Gender and sexuality are not like for like.
A fucking turducken of an argument.
Mr Bean should’ve worn it.
“A trans woman is not a woman and that is fact.”
No.
That is YOUR assertion.
You don’t get to prove your argument by declaring its central assumption to be fact.
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“If a trans woman is advertised as a woman that is dishonest advertising.”
Was she?
Where?
Name. Age. Nationality. Bust. Services.
That is usually about all you get.
No “cis woman”.
No “female at birth”.
No “non-trans”.
You supplied the category yourself.
Your assumption is not her misrepresentation.
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“Gender and sexuality are not like for like.”
Correct.
THAT WAS THE POINT.
The lesbian example was deliberately non-analogous.
Just as fake photos, fake age and fake nationality are not analogous to somebody’s private medical and surgical history.
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“Finding out afterwards changes the entire interaction.”
No.
It changes YOUR PERCEPTION of it.
The interaction had already happened.
The service had already been provided.
Nothing about either changed.
You did.
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Discussing scars is “like any other review of a working girl.”
No.
Noticing a scar is one thing.
Using it to publicly speculate about surgery, genitals and medical history is another.
We’ve seen speculation here about scars on women’s forearms and whether they indicate self-harm.
It gets shut down.
Quite rightly.
Why should that privacy disappear when the scars are around a woman’s genitals?
It doesn’t.
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“Obviously you have a very left wing view.”
Privacy is left wing now?
Safety?
Consent?
Calling something “left wing” is not a rebuttal.
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You are entitled to your preferences.
You are entitled to choose who you have sex with.
You are entitled to say NO.
What you are not entitled to do is turn your preference into somebody else’s disclosure obligation.
Your opinion is not HER CONSENT.
Her LEGAL ENTITLEMENT TO PRIVACY AND SAFETY remains.
Her personal, medical and surgical history remains HERS unless SHE CONSENTS to its disclosure.
So what are we left with?
Opinions stuffed inside assumptions, stuffed inside assertions — all masquerading as FACT.
A fucking turducken of an argument
Mr Bean should’ve worn it
Did you find Sammy attractive?
Did you enjoy the service?
Because I don’t believe you walked out.
Are you now so affronted by your own submission that you can’t reconcile what you willingly enjoyed with what you later decided you knew?
Sexuality? Masculinity? Gender? Attraction?
I don’t pretend to know what preferences you conceal.
But something clearly changed.
And it wasn’t Sammy.
So before all the public outrage, indignation, cries of foul play and “consumer rights”…
perhaps ask yourself what exactly you’re angry about.
What happened in that room?
Or what happened in your head afterwards?
I've got to go with cumquat on this one. Your (2nd person plural) convenience doesn't supersede another's legal right to privacy. And since I don't live in Kansas, I don't see any official requirement to state "gender at birth" rather than "identify as".
I'm a bit curious. MUST? Is that a national requirement, a state requirement, a city requirement, or perhaps a local council requirement? Or perhaps that's just your PREFERENCE (which carries, sorry to say, NO weight). You don't like it? What did Yul Brynner say to Eli Wallich? "Ride on". (Lazy, can't be bothered to find the youtube link). Oh, hell, too good to pass up:
https://youtu.be/1Ar5OdHtQrA?t=66
Think the OPERATIVE word in the above is USUALLY.
I'm not saying the mamasan is without fault, but... IMO, your anger, hostility, infuriation, outrage, is partly being projected there when actually it's inward on your decision. You say faulty information, I say "no requirement to disclose".
While your definition is biological; others might go with identify as. I'm of the latter camp myself, and obviously I'm not the State. If somebody wants to identify with he/she/they/them/it, who am I to say different. And if they've taken the major step of surgery, they've EARNED that right.
Seems that many here are rather ignorant of Thai culture. If you were, you'd understand that there's another consideration, especially before seeing a Thai for sexual purposes. I book a person, I see a person. The shop is defining her as she identifies, sufficient for me. Many here just don't seem to understand the pitfalls of assume. If I think there's a discrepancy between my definition and hers, I'll ask (but, you know, I can speak, just lucky I guess).
Full disclosure: I'm not a medical doctor, so I have no idea of the chances of getting "cooties" while in close proximity.
BTW: It seems you yourself are a bit careless with identifications. Just because we happen to visit a few common web pages does NOT mean we're brothers.
the shops and girl has no obligation to say anything. Everyone knows the "advertising" in adult service industry is absolute bullshit. How many MILF shops have 60 year old grannys on their roster saying she is 29.
How many of them advertise they are japanese/malaysian/singaporean when they are all mainland chinese grannies.
As long as she doesnt have a cock, then if she advertises as a lady then no one can do anything about it. Nature of punting, you win some you lose some.
You mean you can't tell a 60 years old from a 29 years old?
Ada happens to be used to run a reputable shop with reliablity.
We hold the money we can walk.
We want to be winners all the time and everytime.
We don't want to waste our hard-earned money and valuable time in dud punts.
Everybody has made valid points but at the end of the day you have gone to receive a service from a genetically born female. It’s that simple. Their nothing wrong with advertising Sammy as a post-op I believe she will still be popular for punters.
But you cannot pay for a female horse and get a male horse when you see the add it’s wrong. Not a big deal for me personally I don’t really care. But the customer does and his correct.
Professional shops and well run businesses have an obligation they stand by their brand and service and product.
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