Sensational Transformational Budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe........

[wilisno]

If you go to school, you pay the school fees.
If you go to see a doctor, you pay the medical bill yourself.
When you retire, you should have set aside money when you were young to fund for your retirement.
Why should the government subsidise all these for you?

The government don't subsidize all these for you, it's the social structure and the tax structure of a western country, they come from the tax everybody pays, it's not free !

You're probably too used to the system in Asian countries, they don't have to pay social security, but don't forget, they pay much lower tax !

Any system will be abused by some people, but there are people who genuinely need assistance, people who's been paying tax all their lives !

About unemployment benefits, we are lucky that we don't need it, but think about those who do ! Through no fault of their own, they lost their jobs and with a family to feed ...

I wouldn't say like ! Like ! Like !

[pantydropa]

Punters having their say at politics makes for entertaining reading!

[SheIsHer]

Punters having their say at politics makes for entertaining reading!

Absolutely friend, plenty of very interesting comments here, it's good.

[RoyalFlush]

The government don't subsidize all these for you, it's the social structure and the tax structure of a western country, they come from the tax everybody pays, it's not free !

You're probably too used to the system in Asian countries, they don't have to pay social security, but don't forget, they pay much lower tax !

Any system will be abused by some people, but there are people who genuinely need assistance, people who's been paying tax all their lives !

About unemployment benefits, we are lucky that we don't need it, but think about those who do ! Through no fault of their own, they lost their jobs and with a family to feed ...

I wouldn't say like ! Like ! Like !

We all need to pay taxes and the same rules apply to everyone. Whether you are a student on minimum budget, or you start work earning $35K, or earning 6 digits salary, you just adapt and change your lifestyle accordingly, all these while, you pay tax according to the rules that apply to everyone. I dont think we should adopt a "what do I get in return?" mentality because it is the lifestyle that you choose to live that affects your life. For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?
If the social security is there, good; but we should not treat it as a given rather a bonus.
There are ppl who pays their fair share of the tax and there are ppl who dont. There are ppl who abuse the system and there are those who are self-sufficent. We cant say for everyone but at least as an individual we should do the right thing and not become a parasite to the society.

[wilisno]

We all need to pay taxes and the same rules apply to everyone. Whether you are a student on minimum budget, or you start work earning $35K, or earning 6 digits salary, you just adapt and change your lifestyle accordingly, all these while, you pay tax according to the rules that apply to everyone. I dont think we should adopt a "what do I get in return?" mentality because it is the lifestyle that you choose to live that affects your life. For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?

You've got it all wrong here, That's exactly what I said, we shouldn't think " What do I get in return " ! The Social Security system is there to help those who need it, we all contribute our share in terms of tax to make it work, and we shouldn't wish we can have a piece of the cake back. Hence we shouldn't envy those who receive assistance !

For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?
If the social security is there, good; but we should not treat it as a given rather a bonus.
There are ppl who pays their fair share of the tax and there are ppl who dont. There are ppl who abuse the system and there are those who are self-sufficent. We cant say for everyone but at least as an individual we should do the right thing and not become a parasite to the society

Only well to do people can have children ???

What if one only became poor after having children ? And a family in need doesn't have to have many children, a one child family still needs to be fed ! And don't forget, Australia is an aging country, we need young people to keep paying taxes when we get old !

As I said in the above post, all systems are subject to abuse, we can only device a way to deal with those abusers, but we can't abandon the fundamental principles of the social structure !

[RoyalFlush]

You've got it all wrong here, That's exactly what I said, we shouldn't think " What do I get in return " ! The Social Security system is there to help those who need it, we all contribute our share in terms of tax to make it work, and we shouldn't wish we can have a piece of the cake back. Hence we shouldn't envy those who receive assistance !



Only well to do people can have children ???

What if one only became poor after having children ? And a family in need doesn't have to have many children, a one child family still need to be fed ! And don't forget, Australia is an aging country, we need young people to keep paying tax when we get old !

As I said in the above post, all systems are subject to abuse, we can only device a way to deal with those abusers, but we can't abandon the fundamental principles of the social structure !

I do believe only well-to do ppl can have children. If you manage to do moderately ok in this life and manage to buy yourself 2 houses; if you got 1 child, that one child inherits your 2 properties. If he does as well as you, then by retirement he has 4 properties, means his standard of living has increased and do not need govt assistance.
Now the problem with too many children, you need to divide your resources with them and when they grow up, they need the money to raise their own family and sometimes you even need to help them buy their properties.
If the one child family is self-sufficient, then there is no need for the system to support them

[wilisno]

I do believe only well-to do ppl should have children. If you manage to do moderately ok in this life and manage to buy yourself 2 houses; if you got 1 child, that one child inherits your 2 properties. If he does as well as you, then by retirement he has 4 properties, means his standard of living has increased and do not need govt assistance.
Now the problem with too many children, you need to divide your resources with them and when they grow up, they need the money to raise their own family and sometimes you even need to help them buy their properties.
If the one child family is self-sufficient, then there is no need for the system to support them

Well ! You can go to China, they have or had a one family one child policy there !

But my point is, Social Security is there to help those in need, even a one child family is a family in need. If every citizen waits till he has 2 houses or 4 houses to start having children, we will all be in big trouble ! By then, he might be too old to make baby already !