Sensational Transformational Budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe........

[waynekerr]

I think Julia Bishop could be the next Prime Minister !!

Another Julia one may say, but a far better Julia in my book

just a thought

I doubt Bernie Banton's family would share your view.

Psst BTW it's Julie.

WayneK.

[greybeard_]

ezra was right? about what - the jews being the root of all evil???

so when you refered to the 'global media conspiracy' before who you claim are trying to destroy our culture and freedoms, do you think international jewry is behind this? the rothchild family?

You simple foolish fellow. You uneducated gullible idiot.

America Govt against a lonely Ezra Pound, do you think the government covered itself with glory in their action,
only to let him free after eight years without ever being charged. Thankfully, Eustace Mullins got him out.
Ezra was right, that's why he was treated so harshly, as a lesson to all.
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

[waynekerr]

I suspect no matter how much reason you use there is little likelihood of getting through to these rusted-on Abbott supporters. Abbott represents ignorance, greed and self-absorption. All qualities some find attractive. There is no reason for such like to listen to rational argument.

Unfortunately I must agree.

It is a shame that some people's beliefs are held with such conviction that they refuse to listen to
evidence to the contrary.

Maybe I should take George Carlin's advice:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

WayneK.

[SmilingGiraffe]

ezra was right? about what - the jews being the root of all evil???

so when you refered to the 'global media conspiracy' before who you claim are trying to destroy our culture and freedoms, do you think international jewry is behind this? the rothchild family?

You simple foolish fellow. You uneducated gullible idiot.

As Mel Gibson once said to a very ignorant interviewer....."I think you have a dog in this fight, right."
I'm a well read, post-grad educated, truth-seeking, creative, spiritual, wise man. That's what I am....and a poet - have you voted yet for my poetry?

[uglyphil]

ezra was right? about what - the jews being the root of all evil???

so when you refered to the 'global media conspiracy' before who you claim are trying to destroy our culture and freedoms, do you think international jewry is behind this? the rothchild family?

You simple foolish fellow. You uneducated gullible idiot.

I reckon his Alfoil headwear is little tight and cutting off circulation to what passes for his brain.

He seems to get all his info and "ideas" from the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He is just proudly displaying his racist tendencies again.

Renders everything he says moot. **shrugs**

[uglyphil]

Unfortunately I must agree.

It is a shame that some people's beliefs are held with such conviction that they refuse to listen to
evidence to the contrary.

Maybe I should take George Carlin's advice:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

WayneK.

Yep, people need to remember that this "budget" has nothing... as in ZERO to do with any budget emergency (which doesn't exist) or need to get our affairs in order.

It is about ideology, pure and simple.

That ideology being that if you are rich then you deserve everything, people should be grateful to you for any rotten scraps you throw at them and you shouldn't have to help anyone, whereas if you are poor, sick or disabled, you have no one to blame but yourself and you should hang your head in shame.

This is shown most clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree

[AHLUNGOR]

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This is shown most clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree [/QUOTE]

I don't think this is true !

People can still get HECs , in fact more young people can get higher educations in TAFE and other institutes by getting HECs there too, and more scholarships will be on offer. So if the kids have good grades , they can certainly get into Uni .

Directly from Joe the other night !

[cleetusvandamme]

I don't think this is true !

People can still get HECs , in fact more young people can get higher educations in TAFE and other institutes by getting HECs there too, and more scholarships will be on offer. So if the kids have good grades , they can certainly get into Uni .

Directly from Joe the other night !

Gee if Joe said it then it must be true!

The government wants to let unis charge whatever they want, saying that this will lead to increased competition and therefore a better deal for students (aways the justification for privatization and deregulation but rarely actually benefits the consumer).
At the same time they want to cut uni funding. How do you think unis will make up this funding shortfall? The vice chancellor of UTS yesterday said most courses will go up by 30-40%.
Add new interest charges to HECs debt plus a lower income threshold to start paying it off and it adds up to a serious amount. Many students from poorer and even middle class backgrounds will think twice about going to uni and be stuck on lower incomes. We already have science and engineering graduate shortages and it'll only get worse for these and other disciplines.
Despite Joe saying he's doing these cuts for the kids, I don't see a bright future at all for the younger generation in this budget.

[cleetusvandamme]

Btw, Joe Hockey went to uni for free and as a student protested the introduction of fees.

[AHLUNGOR]

Btw, Joe Hockey went to uni for free and as a student protested the introduction of fees.

I accept its a cut in higher education funding and lead to higher Uni fees, interest rate will kick in and the lower threshold for repayment so the graduates will start paying back earlier !

Yes, it's getting tougher, but please don't blame Joe and Tony!

This is what I don't understand at all, people should be angry and point their fingers on the government who put the country in this situation in the first place !!

When Kevin Rudd took over government in 2007, we were in a comfortable surplus position, who put us in this shit hole today where we have to cut, cut, cut ???

And if we don't cut from somewhere, we have to continue to borrow money to keep up with the expenditures , how long can we keep running the country in the RED !!

Joe is trying to fix the big mess left by Labour, lets not sugar coat this !!

[AHLUNGOR]

One more point, when the phone tapping scandal with Indonesia was exposed, Tony Abbott stood up and took the blames and acted like a Prime Minister!

He could have easily pass the bulk and blame it on the previous government when the spying actually took place. He didn't !!

Now draw a comparison in the way they handle the budget mess !!

To blame someone else is no use, to fix the problem and move forward is the way!

Just my two cents

Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

And I got a song for the people:

First Cut is the Deepest !

[greybeard_]

you keep missing the point ahlungor

the debt problem wasnt caused by the labor government spending too much mobey it was causes by a fall in government revenues

imagine you are the sole income earner in your household. You have a decent salary and your family becomes use to a good quality of life. Suddenly your income drops substantially but your family continues to live the same lifestyle. To cover the cost you must borrow money

its the sane thing. australia must now face the reality of reduced revenues portraying the rudd / gillard government as irresponsible big spenders is not fair.

[M3]

Agree most of the debt problem is a fall in Commonwealth tax revenues caused by lower mineral prices and the previous government having to stimulate the economy post GFC...

My main concern is that if the Libs pull too much money out of the economy via their cuts it could push Australia close to a recession..

One good thing about giving walfare to the less fortunate is that they will spend every cent thus indirectly stimulating our economy.

What is the real cost of a government handout of say $1 as only the $1 is measured and not the benefit that $1 generates in other areas which will include some revenue back to the government.

Is the real cost of that $1 to the government $1 or something closer to 10 cents after that money is spent and respent throughout the economy??

Now the Libs came in promising an infrastructure boom but as yet I can see little evidence of this happening.

There has certainly been a lay-off boom since they came to power and phase two will be their effort to drive down wages.

All this means under the Libs, if they get their way, we will be working for less and paying more for government services.

Again my concern would be the more spending power is reduced the greater the chance of a recession.

I think the Libs take,if in power,during the GFC was to let business fail but that strategy could very well have presented a situation worse than what we have now debt wise.

Either way our future lifestyle seems certain to be under downward pressure..

Regarding the phone-spy issues I thought we were just covering for the US NSA there.

The Snowden revelations of NSA operations certainly put the US government in damage control and has cost US multinational business billions..

[SmilingGiraffe]

And I got a song for the people:

First Cut is the Deepest !

I'm really getting to like you Ahlungor.....and now you like Cat Stevens songs, even better.

Good onya...

[JC1]

I say block block block! Bring on the election and let the people decide

[waynekerr]

Yep, people need to remember that this "budget" has nothing... as in ZERO to do with any budget emergency (which doesn't exist) or need to get our affairs in order.

It is about ideology, pure and simple.

That ideology being that if you are rich then you deserve everything, people should be grateful to you for any rotten scraps you throw at them and you shouldn't have to help anyone, whereas if you are poor, sick or disabled, you have no one to blame but yourself and you should hang your head in shame.

This is shown most clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree

Liberal donor personally recommended Tony Abbott's daughter for scholarship.

Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, personally
recommended the prime minister’s daughter for a $60,000 design degree scholarship, and has also
made donations of more than $20,000 to the state and federal Liberal party.

Frances Abbott was only the second recipient of the "chairman's scholarship", according to the
institute's chief executive.

A spokeswoman for the prime minister confirmed that Frances Abbott was a recipient of a
scholarship at the institute and said it was awarded as a result of her "application and art portfolio".

She said disclosure of the scholarship by the prime minister on the parliamentary register of
interests was "not required"

Wanna vomit?

I lifted this from “The Guardian, Australia edition” http://www.theguardian.com/au which is a
centre right publication with more balanced editorials than the claptrap we are served generally. It
does have a wide spectrum of reader comments however.

I didn't think I would contribute to this thread much more but I just couldn't let this one go
unnoticed.

WayneK.

[wilisno]

This is what I don't understand at all, people should be angry and point their fingers on the government who put the country in this situation in the first place !!

When Kevin Rudd took over government in 2007, we were in a comfortable surplus position, who put us in this shit hole today where we have to cut, cut, cut ???

You really have no idea what's going on Ahlungor ! Have you heard of GFC ?

If Kevin Rudd did nothing back then, Australia wouldn't have escaped the impact unscathed. If instead he did the Cut Cut Cut at that time, we would be in real trouble by now ! Not the beat up trouble !

It's not a theory, the whole world agreed he did the right thing and was the direct result to get Australia out of the GFC !

[M3]

Can anyone remember when Abbott had to take a pay cut after loosing his minister-ship after Howard was defeated in the 2007 election..

I remember he cried poor and said he had difficulty paying his mortgage but I cannot find past references to this(mainly to the sheer number of hits on Google since he became PM).

Can anyone remember this and possibly find reference to this on the net?

I am sure those who will be effected by the proposed budget cuts would "savour" this information.

The one thing with any politician is their bipartisan-ship in anything to do with self preservation...

[wilisno]

Agree most of the debt problem is a fall in Commonwealth tax revenues caused by lower mineral prices and the previous government having to stimulate the economy post GFC...

My main concern is that if the Libs pull too much money out of the economy via their cuts it could push Australia close to a recession..

One good thing about giving walfare to the less fortinate is that they will spend every cent thus indirectly stimulating our economy.

What is the real cost of a government handout of say $1 as only the $1 is measured and not the benefit that $1 generates in other areas which will include some revenue back to the government.

Is the real cost of that $1 to the government $1 or something closer to 10 cents after that money is spent and respent throughout the economy??

Now the Libs came in promising an infrastructure boom but as yet I can see little evidence of this happening.

There has certainly been a lay-off boom since since they came to power and phase two will be their effort to drive down wages.

All this means under the Libs, if they get their way, we will be working for less and paying more for government services.

Again my concern would be the more spending power is reduced the greater the chance of a recession.

I think the Libs take,if in power,during the GFC was to let business fail but that strategy could very well presented a situation worse than what we fact now debt wise.

Either way our future lifestyle seems certain to be under downward pressure..

Regarding the phone-spy issues I thought we were just covering for the US NSA there.

The Snowden revelations of NSA operations certainly put the US government in damage control and has cost US multinational business billions..

Excellent post !