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    Liberal donor personally recommended Tony Abbott's daughter for scholarship.

    Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, personally
    recommended the prime minister’s daughter for a $60,000 design degree scholarship, and has also
    made donations of more than $20,000 to the state and federal Liberal party.

    Frances Abbott was only the second recipient of the "chairman's scholarship", according to the
    institute's chief executive.

    A spokeswoman for the prime minister confirmed that Frances Abbott was a recipient of a
    scholarship at the institute and said it was awarded as a result of her "application and art portfolio".

    She said disclosure of the scholarship by the prime minister on the parliamentary register of
    interests was "not required"

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    I lifted this from “The Guardian, Australia edition” http://www.theguardian.com/au which is a
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    I didn't think I would contribute to this thread much more but I just couldn't let this one go
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    I think $60k is a bit more than O'Farrell had received in the form of a bottle of Grange !
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilisno View Post
    You really have no idea what's going on Ahlungor ! Have you heard of GFC ?

    If Kevin Rudd did nothing back then, Australia wouldn't have escaped the impact unscathed. If instead he did the Cut Cut Cut at that time, we would be in real trouble by now ! Not the beat up trouble !

    It's not a theory, the whole world agreed he did the right thing and was the direct result to get Australia out of the GFC !

    Hi Brother Wil,

    Yes, I remember the GFC and the 30% tax break offered to businesses to encourage capital spending, my own company among other investments had taken the advantage of that and upgraded the company car to a brand new Mercedes, so as a business, we are not complaining !!

    May be you should read the following articles to put things into perspective - the stimulus packages was the right thing to do (and probably 300% overdone it!), every responsible government in the world would have done it, but it is the overspending and the incompetence of the ALP in administering the programs that was the problem :

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    Unusually, history offers a precise time and place, right down to the day, to appreciate why Australia has gone, seemingly suddenly, from a land of boom to a nation facing an austerity budget with sacrifices expected of all. The date was February 4, 2009.

    On that day, for the first time in the 15 months since the Howard government had been defeated, a spontaneous upsurge of genuine unity, concern and outrage came from the opposition. It crossed all factions and cliques. It fused Liberals and Nationals.

    The cause of their collective alarm was the size and scale, and haste and dubious design, of six appropriations bills that Kevin Rudd’s government was about to ram through Parliament. These bills would transform the budget.

    The catalyst for this was the 2008 financial crisis that had thrown the United States and western Europe into recession and come close to fusing their banking systems. The crisis had not, however, affected Canada or most of Asia. It was countries running big government debt and deficits that were in crisis control.
    Rudd said Australia needed decisive action to avoid a recession. When the opposition caught a glimpse of what he intended it saw immediately that Rudd’s grandiosity was dangerously at work. We are now discovering in great detail, via the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Scheme, the extent of dysfunction of Rudd’s management vision.

    Joe Hockey, who was about to become shadow treasurer, opened the attack on February 4. "We have not seen the six bills that are going to be introduced, debated and voted on in this place today," he said. "These six bills will take us into $100 billion of debt."

    Malcolm Turnbull, then opposition leader, followed soon after. "In four years, net debt will be $70 billion … and the government has asked for the right, just a moment ago, to borrow up to $200 billion, or $9500 for every man, woman and child in Australia," he said.

    "The plan reeks of nothing more than panic ... We do not reject the need for a stimulus at this time. Our judgment is that $42 billion is more than is appropriate right now. The government is looking increasingly like a frightened soldier who fires off all his ammunition in a panic in the first minutes of an engagement … Our judgment is that a more appropriate level of stimulus is in order, 1 to 2 per cent of GDP, or between $15 billion and $20 billion."

    All night, Coalition members, 57 in the House and Senate, rose to speak. Former treasurer Peter Costello, silent on the back bench for a year, was moved to genuine outrage.

    "When you inherit an economy which has a budget in surplus and no net debt, which has unemployment at 30-year lows, where the credit rating has been restored to a AAA rating on foreign currency bonds, where you have a Future Fund of $61 billion and a Higher Education Endowment Fund, when you inherit an economy in that condition you have to find a fault somewhere," he said. "If you cannot find a fault somewhere, what problem have you got to solve? So the Labor Party, naturally enough, looked for a problem. The trouble is, it was the wrong one."

    When debate was finally guillotined it was 4.45am. For the opposition it was a new dawn. It did not need to wait for opinion polls or focus groups.
    Typical was this from former minister Bruce Billson. "The Coalition is seeking to ensure that the nation does not sleepwalk into a poorly designed, irresponsible and unsustainable package dreamt up by a panicked government," he said. "The only certain outcome of this package is waking up to the nightmare of decades of excessive debt and deficit."

    That is exactly what happened. Rudd was worse than Whitlam. In the six years Labor was in government, the growth in Australia’s real federal expenditure was close to highest in the Organisation of Economic Co-Operation and Development – even though Australia was a resource economy with a sturdy banking sector and no housing bubble, and thus not susceptible to the financial shock in the US and much of Europe.

    It is difficult to move the macro-economic needle quickly in a $1.5 trillion economy that is the 12th largest in the world (larger than Spain, which has 47 million people). In 2009, Rudd managed to jolt the needle, ramping up federal spending as a percentage of GDP.

    He was also more profligate than Julia Gillard and she was no prize, loading future budgets with the Gonski education program, the national disability insurance scheme and the multibillion asylum seeker debacle without seeming to have a Gonski about how it would all be paid for.

    Now that the bills are coming due, neither Rudd nor Gillard are around. It is the morning after. The clean-up. The payment due date. And the demographic challenge has loomed into focus. So let’s not confuse who did the spending and who is having to pay.

    A clean-up is not a crisis. We’ve already had a false crisis and are about to pay for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    Hi Brother Wil,

    Yes, I remember the GFC and the 30% tax break offered to businesses to encourage capital spending, my own company among other investments had taken the advantage of that and upgraded the company car to a brand new Mercedes, so as a business, we are not complaining !!

    May be you should read the following articles to put things into perspective - the stimulus packages was the right thing to do (and probably 300% overdone it!), every responsible government in the world would have done it, but it is the overspending and the incompetence of the ALP in administering the programs that was the problem :

    ********************************

    Unusually, history offers a precise time and place, right down to the day, to appreciate why Australia has gone, seemingly suddenly, from a land of boom to a nation facing an austerity budget with sacrifices expected of all. The date was February 4, 2009.

    On that day, for the first time in the 15 months since the Howard government had been defeated, a spontaneous upsurge of genuine unity, concern and outrage came from the opposition. It crossed all factions and cliques. It fused Liberals and Nationals.

    The cause of their collective alarm was the size and scale, and haste and dubious design, of six appropriations bills that Kevin Rudd’s government was about to ram through Parliament. These bills would transform the budget.

    The catalyst for this was the 2008 financial crisis that had thrown the United States and western Europe into recession and come close to fusing their banking systems. The crisis had not, however, affected Canada or most of Asia. It was countries running big government debt and deficits that were in crisis control.
    Rudd said Australia needed decisive action to avoid a recession. When the opposition caught a glimpse of what he intended it saw immediately that Rudd’s grandiosity was dangerously at work. We are now discovering in great detail, via the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Scheme, the extent of dysfunction of Rudd’s management vision.

    Joe Hockey, who was about to become shadow treasurer, opened the attack on February 4. "We have not seen the six bills that are going to be introduced, debated and voted on in this place today," he said. "These six bills will take us into $100 billion of debt."

    Malcolm Turnbull, then opposition leader, followed soon after. "In four years, net debt will be $70 billion … and the government has asked for the right, just a moment ago, to borrow up to $200 billion, or $9500 for every man, woman and child in Australia," he said.

    "The plan reeks of nothing more than panic ... We do not reject the need for a stimulus at this time. Our judgment is that $42 billion is more than is appropriate right now. The government is looking increasingly like a frightened soldier who fires off all his ammunition in a panic in the first minutes of an engagement … Our judgment is that a more appropriate level of stimulus is in order, 1 to 2 per cent of GDP, or between $15 billion and $20 billion."

    All night, Coalition members, 57 in the House and Senate, rose to speak. Former treasurer Peter Costello, silent on the back bench for a year, was moved to genuine outrage.

    "When you inherit an economy which has a budget in surplus and no net debt, which has unemployment at 30-year lows, where the credit rating has been restored to a AAA rating on foreign currency bonds, where you have a Future Fund of $61 billion and a Higher Education Endowment Fund, when you inherit an economy in that condition you have to find a fault somewhere," he said. "If you cannot find a fault somewhere, what problem have you got to solve? So the Labor Party, naturally enough, looked for a problem. The trouble is, it was the wrong one."

    When debate was finally guillotined it was 4.45am. For the opposition it was a new dawn. It did not need to wait for opinion polls or focus groups.
    Typical was this from former minister Bruce Billson. "The Coalition is seeking to ensure that the nation does not sleepwalk into a poorly designed, irresponsible and unsustainable package dreamt up by a panicked government," he said. "The only certain outcome of this package is waking up to the nightmare of decades of excessive debt and deficit."

    That is exactly what happened. Rudd was worse than Whitlam. In the six years Labor was in government, the growth in Australia’s real federal expenditure was close to highest in the Organisation of Economic Co-Operation and Development – even though Australia was a resource economy with a sturdy banking sector and no housing bubble, and thus not susceptible to the financial shock in the US and much of Europe.

    It is difficult to move the macro-economic needle quickly in a $1.5 trillion economy that is the 12th largest in the world (larger than Spain, which has 47 million people). In 2009, Rudd managed to jolt the needle, ramping up federal spending as a percentage of GDP.

    He was also more profligate than Julia Gillard and she was no prize, loading future budgets with the Gonski education program, the national disability insurance scheme and the multibillion asylum seeker debacle without seeming to have a Gonski about how it would all be paid for.

    Now that the bills are coming due, neither Rudd nor Gillard are around. It is the morning after. The clean-up. The payment due date. And the demographic challenge has loomed into focus. So let’s not confuse who did the spending and who is having to pay.

    A clean-up is not a crisis. We’ve already had a false crisis and are about to pay for it.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/what-c...#ixzz32Pmrzqhn
    That's the opinion from one person in SMH, and it beats the opinions from the whole world ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilisno View Post
    That's the opinion from one person in SMH, and it beats the opinions from the whole world ?

    Of course, and Wayne Swan was the world's best Treasurer !!

    "Mr Swan has racked up $154 billion of deficits, he's yet to deliver a budget surplus and has turned $45 billion in the bank into a $110-billion-dollar credit card bill,"
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    For those "salary earners" keep posting during business hours -- are productivity cheaters.. company earned less and pay less tax.. Lost in revenue cause budget In-balance. On record I am on annual leave!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    Of course, and Wayne Swan was the world's best Treasurer !!

    "Mr Swan has racked up $154 billion of deficits, he's yet to deliver a budget surplus and has turned $45 billion in the bank into a $110-billion-dollar credit card bill,"
    You still don't understand if he didn't racked up $154 Billion of deficits, we would be sitting on $1450 billion deficit by now !
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilisno View Post
    You still don't understand if he didn't racked up $154 Billion of deficits, we would be sitting on $1450 billion deficit by now !


    I admire your imaginations !!

    $1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!

    We will all be damned !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    I admire your imaginations !!

    $1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!

    We will all be damned !!
    My respects to you, you know where it's all at.....and I wanna give Joe & Tony a big hug - coz' they know what has to be done.
    You know you're doing good when every ignorant & selfish lefty twat gets their knick knacks in a big twist.
    On and on they go about their entitlements and rights, just as long as they don't pay for them.

    Good onya Tony & Joe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    I admire your imaginations !!

    $1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!
    You said you were a good business manager, obviously you're not on the financial side of management ! Or your company is not in the investment business ! If it's a hotel or such like business, sure ! You only have to worry about getting more customers to stay, make the place more attractive. But if you aim for future growth of a business, you need investment strategy, not just by cutting staffs or wash linen less often to save money !

    A smart businessman doesn't worry about borrowing money, he only worries about not being able to borrow !

    There are many reasons for a business to borrow money :

    1. Cash flow problems, the revenue maybe tied up somewhere, but it doesn't mean the business is in trouble. Look at the statistic of GDP and debt !

    2. Investments for future growth, unless you don't want future growth !

    3. Opportunities for better profit. If the borrowed money can make more money than the interest paid on the debt. Use other people's money to make money for you !

    Moreover, comparing running a small company to running a big business is ridiculous, let alone running a country ! Besides the internal affairs, there are politics, economics, defense etc etc to worry about !

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    I'm gonna write a Poem just for Ahlungor.....my complete respects mon ami.

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    Given Tony A does not understand his "Unfair" budget/policies, undoubtedly his blind followers really have no clues as their arguments base on their WINKY LEADER.. Poem will not save TA gang

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleetusvandamme View Post
    Gee if Joe said it then it must be true!

    The government wants to let unis charge whatever they want, saying that this will lead to increased competition and therefore a better deal for students (aways the justification for privatization and deregulation but rarely actually benefits the consumer).
    At the same time they want to cut uni funding. How do you think unis will make up this funding shortfall? The vice chancellor of UTS yesterday said most courses will go up by 30-40%.
    Add new interest charges to HECs debt plus a lower income threshold to start paying it off and it adds up to a serious amount. Many students from poorer and even middle class backgrounds will think twice about going to uni and be stuck on lower incomes. We already have science and engineering graduate shortages and it'll only get worse for these and other disciplines.
    Despite Joe saying he's doing these cuts for the kids, I don't see a bright future at all for the younger generation in this budget.
    Thank you for answering this rather simple question for me

    By the way is there a rolling eye emote we can use on this forum. I suspect that everyone just needs to skip SG's posts and put in a ...

    and then move on

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynekerr View Post
    Liberal donor personally recommended Tony Abbott's daughter for scholarship.

    Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, personally
    recommended the prime minister’s daughter for a $60,000 design degree scholarship, and has also
    made donations of more than $20,000 to the state and federal Liberal party.

    Frances Abbott was only the second recipient of the "chairman's scholarship", according to the
    institute's chief executive.

    A spokeswoman for the prime minister confirmed that Frances Abbott was a recipient of a
    scholarship at the institute and said it was awarded as a result of her "application and art portfolio".

    She said disclosure of the scholarship by the prime minister on the parliamentary register of
    interests was "not required"

    Wanna vomit?

    I lifted this from “The Guardian, Australia edition” http://www.theguardian.com/au which is a
    centre right publication with more balanced editorials than the claptrap we are served generally. It
    does have a wide spectrum of reader comments however.

    I didn't think I would contribute to this thread much more but I just couldn't let this one go
    unnoticed.

    WayneK.
    To be fair, I honestly do not think this is something we can hold against ol' Tone. From the various reports I have read it appears that his daughter worked with distinction in this course and deserved the scholarship on her own merit.

    However, it IS a bad look for him at this time, I admit. Especially as this Institute is set to be one of the "winners" in this budget...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    I admire your imaginations !!

    $1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!

    We will all be damned !!

    My Comrade In Arms - Ahlungor

    Ahlungor speaks and he’s the man
    Because he draws the line straight in the sand
    Don’t move to the left and spend spend spend
    Come to the right to mend mend mend.

    He can the run his own show without govt welfare,
    Why should others pay for someone else’s care care.
    He fights a good fight against each ignorant runt,
    When all he really wants is his usual punt.

    Long live Ahlungor with two hands both even,
    I don’t care that he didn’t like my brother Steven,
    I’m sure his rod is even bigger than Richard’s
    But when it goes flabby it will still look like a pilchard.

    He doesn’t want to listen to the ugly ABC cows,
    He’d rather listen to the great ChairmanPlough,
    And when the going gets tough and unpleasantly funky,
    He has the spiritual support of my old friend CrazyMonkey.

    He doesn’t get tired of the lefty arguments which are boring,
    He tolerates it all as if they were HeinrichRommelGoring.
    Ahlungor speaks and he’s the man,
    Because he draws the line straight in the sand.


    Good onya Ahlungor........

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    Quote Originally Posted by greybeard_ View Post
    you keep missing the point ahlungor

    the debt problem wasnt caused by the labor government spending too much mobey it was causes by a fall in government revenues

    imagine you are the sole income earner in your household. You have a decent salary and your family becomes use to a good quality of life. Suddenly your income drops substantially but your family continues to live the same lifestyle. To cover the cost you must borrow money

    its the sane thing. australia must now face the reality of reduced revenues portraying the rudd / gillard government as irresponsible big spenders is not fair.
    Yep.

    And people are conveniently forgetting that about half of this so-called bad debt has been racked up by the Libs since they got into power by them changing various decisions and assumptions. And there is no evidence to support that their assumptions are any more correct than anyone else's. As I said before, there purely and simply is no debt crisis. This was a right-wing media beat-up in order to get Tony into power, and it (unfortunately) worked. **shrugged**

    By the way, something for the people who don't stop to smell the roses... I actually agree that Tony has not broken his core promises


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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyphil View Post
    Yep.

    And people are conveniently forgetting that about half of this so-called bad debt has been racked up by the Libs since they got into power by them changing various decisions and assumptions. And there is no evidence to support that their assumptions are any more correct than anyone else's. As I said before, there purely and simply is no debt crisis. This was a right-wing media beat-up in order to get Tony into power, and it (unfortunately) worked. **shrugged**

    By the way, something for the people who don't stop to smell the roses... I actually agree that Tony has not broken his core promises ;]

    More importantly, do you like my poem for Ahlungor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmilingGiraffe View Post
    You know you're doing good when every ignorant & selfish lefty twat gets their knick knacks in a big twist.
    Quote Originally Posted by SmilingGiraffe View Post
    You and I have different opinions, and that's perfectly fine. Unfortunately, you quickly resort to insult, whereas, you will notice, I do not.
    I supect I'm the democrat here and you perhaps something else.
    I suspect you're a bit of an ignorant and selfish twat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleetusvandamme View Post
    I suspect you're a bit of an ignorant and selfish twat.
    My comments were directed non-specifically to all "ignorant lefty twats" objecting to the Budget.
    Your comments, as with the other chap, are personalised and directed at me. So, there is a clear difference.
    Despite the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and personal insult, I endeavour to persevere in not
    personalising my comments. and I will continue to do so.

    Now, more importantly, what do you think of my poem for Ahlungor?

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    [QUOTE=SmilingGiraffe;497368]My Comrade In Arms - Ahlungor

    Alungor speaks and he’s the man
    Because he draws the line straight in the sand
    /QUOTE]

    This is as far as I read ...

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