Never trust a working girl

[AHLUNGOR]

this thread has let me down, i was expecting juicy gossip. Nothing interesting at all.

You want juicy stuff ??

Have you read my review in the Private section ??

You may be interested.......haha

Cheers

[kickass]

Being scammed is easily overcome. This one is definitely broken heart territory.

They don't call them "cunts" for nothing !!!

ANY girl can scam you or break your heart. Recently, a mate of mine was *told* on a Saturday morning by his *wife* of 12 years, "I never loved you. I don't know why I married you. You're boring. I'm leaving. You can keep the kids with you."

Her timing was impeccable ... it was on Saturday, the day before Father's Day. He has four kids, all under 10. It was all he could do to call his mum and me. When I arrived he was a bawling mess in the living room with his kids. The bitch had left, apparently to shack up with another man that she had met at a Light Opera Company she had joined.

Now, my friend is a great guy. He works full time, picks kids up from swimming, tennis, or cubs on the way home from work, does all the laundry and the yard at home. He finds time for Nippers on Sunday morning with his son, to build a dolls house for one daughter and a cubby house for another. The list goes on. Of course he's fuckin' boring ... that's what happens when you have kids!!!

He married his childhood sweetheart and spoiled her constantly. I do baby sitting duty 2-3 times every year and his parents also do a few shifts while he took his wife to dinner. On wedding anniversaries he'd make a night of it, booking a hotel in town or having a short break to Melbourne or the Blue Mountains. Fuck, I'd almost marry the guy myself!

... and the bitch said she never even loved him ...

Dude, it can happen to any of us. Just learn to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and find another girl. The world is fuckin' full of nice girls.

[kickass]

Jj999,

Yes mate. More generally, I've had things stolen at a brothel. I'm now very careful to do a "count" on the way in ... and on the way out. I take just enough cash for the punt and I make a point of checking all the other items, watch, sunnies, etc, on the way out. Actually, I jam them all into my shoes as I undress and then dump my stinky undies on top ... that's the Kick Ass way, guys ...

A few years ago I lost a watch while punting. It just wasn't there to put on ... I didn't think of it at the time as I was escorted from one of Sydney's finest by a very hot blonde ... I'm also pretty sure that a $50 has been lifted once or twice.

[AHLUNGOR]

I just want to also point out that the brother who started this thread has not been speaking for a while now, it seems brother Galactus has somehow taken over the debate. Nothing wrong with that, and he mostly making valid points, I just have problems with his generalisations,.

Cheers

[kickass]

I like to have parties at my place, usually people I know well. And ... in the last 5 years, two girls have stolen from me:

1. First girl stole a money box I had full of $2 coins. I was tipped off by another friend and went around to collect. She claimed she'd added her own money to the collection. I gave her the choice: hand over the lot or we'll get the police over.

2. Another girl, the ex gf of a mate, stole my grandfather's war medals. I didn't even know. Fuckin' cunt! They were in a cigar box. One of those old 1930's ones with a slider piece at the end to reveal a little secret spot for a clipper used to chop the end off cigars. Anyway, the clipper was missing and the damn slider wouldn't stay closed. So, I jammed my business card in there. The girl took the medals and cigar box to a pawn shop in Sydney. Apparently the pawnbroker thought the cigar box was worth more than the medals (perhaps my grandfather wasn't a hero afterall). He took it into the back room to get the end compartment open and my business card fell out. For some reason he got suspicious and decided to call me. Fuck! This bitch had been through the back of my wardrobe to get those. Some very nice police from Glebe met me at the pawnshop and we sorted everything out. I went back to the pawnshop the next day and tipped the two guys working a $20 each. They're really good blokes and didn't want my money, but I insisted. Fuck! There's luck for you !!!

[Sextus]

this thread has let me down, i was expecting juicy gossip. Nothing interesting at all.

Bro HookedonHookerz, how about KickAss's recent contributions - pretty juicy! Sad, but juicy..

[altgourami]

Fascinating range of views. I just want to let you all know it's not as bad as all that and I'll survive. The WL in question is now shacked up with a 24 yo in Parramatta overlooking Westfields car park so I personally think she's worse off but then again if he's keeping her nice and juicy who knows... maybe she's better off? I just feel she's lost out to BMWs, harbour views and overseas holidays in return for Western suburbs of Sydney... silly girl.

[Jj999]

Fascinating range of views. I just want to let you all know it's not as bad as all that and I'll survive. The WL in question is now shacked up with a 24 yo in Parramatta overlooking Westfields car park so I personally think she's worse off but then again if he's keeping her nice and juicy who knows... maybe she's better off? I just feel she's lost out to BMWs, harbour views and overseas holidays in return for Western suburbs of Sydney... silly girl.

Excuse me..
I thought, with your post before..

Sorry. I guess that was misunderstanding in my part. Nothing important.

Nothing bad. It's just whether you are prepared or not. Seems like you prepared for all. Except you... So you lose as a....
Cannot find the right words. You might want to fill in the blanks yourself.

[Jj999]

I like to have parties at my place, usually people I know well. And ... in the last 5 years, two girls have stolen from me:

1. First girl stole a money box I had full of $2 coins. I was tipped off by another friend and went around to collect. She claimed she'd added her own money to the collection. I gave her the choice: hand over the lot or we'll get the police over.

2. Another girl, the ex gf of a mate, stole my grandfather's war medals. I didn't even know. Fuckin' cunt! They were in a cigar box. One of those old 1930's ones with a slider piece at the end to reveal a little secret spot for a clipper used to chop the end off cigars. Anyway, the clipper was missing and the damn slider wouldn't stay closed. So, I jammed my business card in there. The girl took the medals and cigar box to a pawn shop in Sydney. Apparently the pawnbroker thought the cigar box was worth more than the medals (perhaps my grandfather wasn't a hero afterall). He took it into the back room to get the end compartment open and my business card fell out. For some reason he got suspicious and decided to call me. Fuck! This bitch had been through the back of my wardrobe to get those. Some very nice police from Glebe met me at the pawnshop and we sorted everything out. I went back to the pawnshop the next day and tipped the two guys working a $20 each. They're really good blokes and didn't want my money, but I insisted. Fuck! There's luck for you !!!

Oh okay.
How about some others?

Not saying you support specific views. Just that your personal experience, supported him.
Does not necessarily means that you personally support his view.


And I want to say, I just don't like it when anyone has any prejudice against someone just because of job, age, origin, etc.
Esp. for WLs. While we are posting in this forum because we see WLs, at the same time, we are telling that they are thieves, swindlers, drug addicts, etc.
Man, I feel lucky I can understand their reasons. If not, I would really feel disgusted, because I would feel I am an hypocrite.

Oh by the way, I was doing generalising too bro. Because it was meant to go against bro Galactus' hypothesis.
So that long essays (lol) of my hypothesis, would apply to most WL. More than 50% should be considered 'most'.

Though, out of my own experience, my own samplings from WLs I've met (of course it costs me quite some $ for sessions, to made them believe me so they would tell me about this easily), I believe this particular reason for them to work "because they have someone they cared and/or they loved and in need of money." would apply to at least 80% WL.
By the way, I never intends to get free sex or anything, I was just trying to make them feel more comfortable everytime they meet me, because they know, a friend come to 'visit' her.
But by the time they believe me, 90% they would tell me their reason.

[cisco]

It took me forever to write that.

Sorry if that sounds really boring.
But I believe, that would help guys who have prejudice against WL to throw away their prejudice. That means, help you to become a better human.


Not necessarily a better husband tho.

Bro jj999, good comment bro

[cisco]

You know bro.
I was going to say the same thing as bro Ahlungor.
I want to ask, how many of you guys have lost money or anything in a brothel? Or when you go to incall services of escort agencies?

But I felt this would stray too far off bro altgourami feeling to a certain WL.

But then, I saw the title.
Never trust a WL.
Okay. Then this is not straying too far.

So, I tell you bro. Don't only look for their faults. Okay, you are doing generalising, then I'm going to do that.
Why you keep looking for the bad?
Why don't you also see the good?
It's not all bad in a WL. You know? You think, why they would work a job that is embarassing for them? They are females. Do you think they are happy to be seen naked by >6 males everyday?
It's money. Why for money, they would go very far.
It's because they have something, that they love, they care for, and in dire need of money.
If you can think bad things a WL might have, why can't you think the good thing?

Do you think, the reason for them to work, is just as simple as drug dependency? Or gambling addiction?
LoL.
I would bet my own dick, significant portion of them is because they need money for something they love, they care for, anything.
Only god knows who are they.

Drugs dependency.
I HAVEN'T seen AN EVIDENCE. A STATISTICAL STUDY, showing that WLs have higher rate of drugs addiction.
But, I can also see why they are more prone to drugs addiction. However, I believe, what I SEE is quite different to the ond you see.

Do you know, some people start drugs because of depression?
And they keep using drugs because of depression?
So, unless extreme cases of hopeless addicts, i guess, most WL who use drugs, and continue to use them, because of depression. Just because reason of minor-intermediate addiction, I don't think anyone would do this job.
What depression? A lots of factor contribute to that.
By the way, hopeless addicts, won't get a job in sex industry. Owner eyes aren't blind. They know who aren't to be hired. And a hopeless addict, you can identify them with a quick glance. Right? Are you getting my logic?

Factors that I can think of, in no particular order of importance except my own desire to write it:

- ONE. Customers who judge them real bad. For me, these groups of people, are the real hypocrite. They said WL aren't good, lies, cold heart, etc.
They keep saying bad things. But then, why they keep looking for WLs with good attitude? You want your money to get value. But later get hurt themselves. And blamed everything on the WL.
After that, they look for another WL with great attitude, lovely, GFE, BBBJ, DTBBBJ, DFK, CIMWS, etc. any abbreviation you can think of. maybe next time we would see a WL with the feel of your own secret wife. Maybe the abbrev. would be SWE.

- TWO. The REASON THAT CAUSED THEM to work this job.
This must be a real big reason to make them work this job. True?
And a big problem it is. So, may I ask you, have you ever felt really depressed that you feel you want to die?
That's nothing. This is double of it. Why? Because the problem make them feel better to die, but they can't, they would love to, but because there are other human beings whom they loved, and need them. They think about that, if they have gone to hell, then what woulbd happen to them they love?

- THREE. Bad customers. This is a serious problem.
I don't want to start racism fight here.
So I try my best. And please if you respond to this, DO NOT SAY ANY RACIST WORDS.
Girls have their reason to ban specific customer(s), they don't do it out of random decision made in split second.
I know a lady, that ban specific customers, but still see a couple of regulars of the same group that is banned. Why? Those two are handsome? Hardly. Those two asset are of her preference? Hardly.
Because, those two, she knows that most probably, they won't hurt her.
Why she knows that? Because before, she banned no one. After few months of working, she made that big decision. That is big. Because the group banned was a significant part of her income. That's of course not because some random reason such as FengShui, or Astrology. That's because she has to choose, whether she can reluctantly accept because of their scare, but might be haunted with her traumatic experience.
Apparently, she is the taste of the group being banned.
And don't ask me who she is. She is a memory from the past. A memory ages ago. I forgot her, because she wasn't quite my type.
And I've got my experience of hunting for hidden gem.

Some shop, well, most shops, allow girl to choose. That's the rule. However, have you ever think about shop condition?
What if the shop is filled with significant proportion of customers that is being banned?
What happens, when she reluctantly accept customers that she actually doesn't accept, if everything is doing okay, that's fine. If something bad happen, then the effect is amplified.

So in regards to point number three, and combine it with point number two, do you think, WLs are a product who doesn't have heart? What if you were in her position? How can you run this hard life?
Combined with limited english, limited knowledge of the area, limited knowledge of shops. And also, because of poor financial condition, she also got starts to work very early.

If you later won't turn to drugs as your escape.
We would like to give you a standing ovation.



That's some of the reason. There are heaps more that you can think of.

So do you think, people that is doing all of those sacrifices for their loved one, cared one, is only filled with bad thing?
How about we see ourselves, would we do the same thing if you/me/we were in their position.
Or would we choose to die?

Me, I'm sorry. I'd say, I prefer to die. I never imagined living with pressure like that.
I'd just try to avoid problem like that.



So bro Galactus, how about you start to list the good stuffs?

Bro jj999, you are a wise man

[project_manager006]

Hey bro altgourami, sorry to hear about your pain. It's gonna suck a while, I ain't gonna lie about that, but over time, maybe very long time, things will slowly get better.

I heard a good rule of my friend once - never make the same mistake twice.

[DeepImpact]

So far you are all wrong and missing one of the most important points.

The relationship between a WL and customer presents opportunities that other jobs don't. I am only talking about theft here but the original poster may have been referring to other trust issues like the girl cheated on him etc.

If you go to McDonalds and buy a hamburger you hand over your money. The opportunity for the cashier to steal from you is limited. She could short change you or not give you the chips to go with the order but she is not going to get the chance to go throught your wallet.

If you get an electrian to come to your house you might watch over him like a hawk as he works so he has limited opportunity to steal anything, but left alone for a moment he might take the chance to grab something if he is that way inclined.

If you bring a WL to your home there is a big chance you will be seperated for some time when you shower or go to the toilet etc so that presents a good opportunity for her to steal from you.

The main point is that it's not about the occupation of the person, it's more about the opportunities that the occupation brings to be dishonest. The girl at McDonalds behind the register may be just as likely to steal from you as the WL if she gets the opportunity but chances are there will never be a time she is left alone with your wallet or possessions to try.

[AHLUNGOR]

Bro jj999, you are a wise man

I second that

He is also full of good intentions!!

[DeepImpact]

it seems brother Galactus has somehow taken over the debate.

Yeah, don't you just hate it when that happens? haha

[Jj999]

Would you agree that WLs are more likely to be addicted to drugs than non-WLs? I assume most people would..

(heres some australian research evidence which demonstrates that WLs are far more likely to be injecting drug users than non-WLs, see: http://www.pla.qld.gov.au/Resources/...2019.12.07.pdf)

And would you also agree that drug addicts are, generally speaking, less trustworthy than non-drug addicts? I assume most people would agree on this point as well...

Well, if you agree with the previous two points you must also therefore agree that WLs are in general terms as an occupational group less trustworthy than non-WLs.

All I am making is a generalised statement based on common sense. This is not a blanket stereotype which should be applied indiscriminately to all WLs. However, I fear this distintion is lost on many.

I agree with a previous poster who suggested that sometimes this board serves a fanboy club for WLs. I think there is sometimes a perverse ideolotry of these ladies.. they are venerated and placed on pedestals.. In the eyes of some they are pure as the driven snow, immaculate and capable of no wrong.

I do not subscribe to this view - I respect and admire many WLs, but I also realise that some are lost souls- broken, humbled and immoral. Not inherently wicked, but rather victims of society...

Wow wow, stop at the paragraph before last paragraph buddy.
Before closing it with a ending of your version.
We were talking about WLs drug addiction. Not specific 'injecting drug'.
You know what, any drugs, which common routes of administration is injection, is some serious stuff. Drug addicts whose drugs of choice is not commonly administered by route of injection, MOST of them are frightened only with the thought of trying it. Well, you may believe me, you may not. i can't get a reference from a book. But you can of course ask people yourself.
And also, there, they weren't talking about the reason WLs start using drugs whether it is injection or another route of administration.
They do, however state whether the reason they are involved in prostitution is drug related or not.

I do need everyone's agreement though. I personally means by WLs is they who work in a shop/agencies/private or at least, we were always talking about them who works in a shop/agencies/private. I never thought of street workers. And they aren't working legally.
Even the after reports section, I've never seen one. I don't know if there is any, could you please show me? I never thought we would be including street worker. Also the thread poster, bro altgorami, I'm sure he didn't mean a street worker by those title "never trusts a working girl".
And one more, I couldn't think anyone who protect WLs with their statement also means those street workers.
Why? This isn't a prejudice or leaving them out. I'd say, guys in this forum, don't have too much or even no experience with street workers. Or any of you who protect WLs from bad prejudices, also includes street workers in those WLs?
I don't think so.
So if you are including them, we are debating whether an orange from Malaysia is better than an Apple from Australia.
IF you are including them, It's better that you have experience with them. Also, I hope you remember to include them before reading the study paper.


Also we don't treat them as a holy person. I don't know who treat them like that.
At least, for me, I treat them equally as a human. Normal human. I have no prejudice against them.

And this statistics he provided was from Queensland.
They said 75% prostitution is outcalls. Here, in Sydney, I wouldn't say so. Brothels are everywhere, I guess the numbers of shops wouldn't be less than the total of 7eleven. LoL.
That's an exaggeration of course. But you get my point.
Here, I start to quote some of the sentences from the study.

Remember, this is from Queensland numbers and regulations.

It is illegal for outcalls (escort services) to be made from licensed brothels, but outcalls are legal when provided by legitimate sole operators (single sex workers). In 2004, the CMC estimated that outcalls constituted some 75% of all prostitution in Queensland. Many escort services operate illegally (that is, by a person who is not a legitimate sole operator).
Research indicates that prostitutes are more likely than the general community to be injecting drug users. In 2004, the Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC) analysed data which indicated that among people attending the Brisbane Sexual Health Clinic, 20% to 30% of those who identified as prostitutes were injecting drug users, compared to 8% to 13% of those who did not identify as prostitutes. However, in the Woodward research, those persons working in the illegal sex industry were more likely to inject drugs than those working legally. This is also borne out by the Selling Sex in Queensland research. 75.8% of street workers revealed that they had become involved in prostitution because they were using drugs and needed money to pay for them, in comparison to just 2% of brothel workers and 8.5% of sole operators.

And this is your own statement, I hope you won't go back on your own statement.

If you think about it statistically, Im willing to bet that WLs have a far higher rate of drug dependency than the general population. This is a major reason why many girls choose to get into the business. I think an addiction to drugs could potentially make some WLs more likely to resort to theft, if the opportunity arose. As you say though, if they work in a shop theres likely to be less opportunity.

LOL, bro, sorry. I believe you know yourself, how much a WL potentially makes every week? You think how much are those drugs?
Believe me, girls working in a average shop could afford their living cost and their drugs addiction very very easily. LoL
The least a girl make for 7 days I guess, would be $1400-$2100. That's very small for them it's almost funny you know. If a girl from an average shop sees this number, she'd laugh and said, well, I make that much in 4 days max.
Then the question I ask you, still the same, Why would they steal?. Remember, this is a generalization. But its the opposite of bro Galactus report.

I hope by this one This is a major reason why many girls choose to get into the business you'd mean this is the most common reason why many girls choose to get into the business.
If not, please explain how do you mean it.
So, your data is actually not supporting you bro. You see, just 2% brothel workers, and 8.5% sole operators, starts to work because of their addiction.
And, in Sydney, we have heaps of brothels and sole operators.

So are you saying most girls works because of their drug addiction?
Bro, lol. I can't hold my laugh. Okay, in Sydney, there are asian brothels everywhere, seems like there is no end to them.
Do you know that girls come here on student visa. Do you think, honestly, because of their addiction they are prepared to cross the border and go to a new continents?
Maybe you don't know what I meant. But if you have experience, you know why.
However, the fact that you said that most of them start working because of drug addiction, screams that you actually don't know about this. If you actually know though, then it actually screams something worse. Which I don't want to say now. LOL.

And comment regarding fanboy club. Well, you can choose what to read, and what's not to read. That's all your choices.
But, I do not condone the action of criticising others HONEST REAL REPORT, just because the report differ than theirs.
So who did that? I didn't.
And If I remember it correctly, when I read that thread, I think it's only one guys.

Bro, you can call anyone a hypocrite. But my action never differ from my word. What I have said is what I will do.
For us, honestly, you are the real hypocrite.


- If you think they are the same as the one in your view, WLs would be pretty disgusting for you.
So, did you punt regularly?
- If you think this forum is sometimes used as a fanboy club, the report ain't that good.
So, what did you do that time in after report section?
Did you ever read someone's report to guide your punt?


For me, they are our equal. Human. Neither they nor you/we/me would like someone to have any prejudice against us.

[wilisno]

Haha, what a detective bro Jj999 ! I couldn't breathe until I finished reading the whole post !

[wilisno]

At least bro JJ999 is a lot more consistent with his belief !

[Sextus]

My brain hurts after reading all this intelligent discourse. Maybe I'm just not used to it....

From what I read above, (and I might not have picked it up properly) it is only 2% of shop workers taking drugs according to the statistics. That is a tiny minority. It might even include those who like to inhale sometimes, like I do (though unlike Bill Clinton.)

I live my (perhaps more vulnerable) life in a state of trust. Join me. Dive in, the water is fine.

[IExperiment]

They don't call them "cunts" for nothing !!!

ANY girl can scam you or break your heart. Recently, a mate of mine was *told* on a Saturday morning by his *wife* of 12 years, "I never loved you. I don't know why I married you. You're boring. I'm leaving. You can keep the kids with you."

Her timing was impeccable ... it was on Saturday, the day before Father's Day. He has four kids, all under 10. It was all he could do to call his mum and me. When I arrived he was a bawling mess in the living room with his kids. The bitch had left, apparently to shack up with another man that she had met at a Light Opera Company she had joined.

Now, my friend is a great guy. He works full time, picks kids up from swimming, tennis, or cubs on the way home from work, does all the laundry and the yard at home. He finds time for Nippers on Sunday morning with his son, to build a dolls house for one daughter and a cubby house for another. The list goes on. Of course he's fuckin' boring ... that's what happens when you have kids!!!

He married his childhood sweetheart and spoiled her constantly. I do baby sitting duty 2-3 times every year and his parents also do a few shifts while he took his wife to dinner. On wedding anniversaries he'd make a night of it, booking a hotel in town or having a short break to Melbourne or the Blue Mountains. Fuck, I'd almost marry the guy myself!

... and the bitch said she never even loved him ...

Dude, it can happen to any of us. Just learn to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and find another girl. The world is fuckin' full of nice girls.

Poor basterd its ussually the other way around now he cant even get child support if she does not work...lol.. talking about the other way around...