Falling for a ML

[Holdan]

I don't know....
I can see the physical attraction thing, the sexual fulfillment, maybe even emotionally 'falling' for a ML, but at my age and level of life experience, I can't see myself giving in to it.
Some form of 'friendship' is maybe a different thing.
For me, and with the MLs that I have met so far, the first obstacle would be the language barrier. I have yet to meet a ML that I could have a more than very superficial and routine small-talk conversation with.

A good point about the language barrier. I was married to a Thai ML/WG. Her english was pretty good. However, I could not engage her in any subject matter that was too complex and this was very very frustrating.

[4FoW2]

[QUOTE=Holdan;2483721 I was married to a Thai ML/WG. Her english was pretty good. However, I could not engage her in any subject matter that was too complex and this was very very frustrating.[/QUOTE]

If you are willing to share would be interested to know your perspectives re marrying a ThaiML/Wg. How did you meet? What were your reasons for marrying? How long did it last? Why did it end?
If this is too personal, its ok to pass.

Re Language barrier - I have a Asian partner of 15 years. Although she is not university educated like me ( and don't worry going to Uni doesn't equate to intelligence), she still can carry an intellectual conversation to some degree. I am constantly impressed with her command of the English language and often will hear her use a word and I say OMG how did you know that word. I tolerate fools and dumb people badly.
Me for one, if I can't connect on an intellectual level the rest don't matter..thats why I have never been out with a Doreen, Doris or Delorus.
4FoW2

[Holdan]

If you are willing to share would be interested to know your perspectives re marrying a ThaiML/Wg. How did you meet? What were your reasons for marrying? How long did it last? Why did it end?
If this is too personal, its ok to pass.

Re Language barrier - I have a Asian partner of 15 years. Although she is not university educated like me ( and don't worry going to Uni doesn't equate to intelligence), she still can carry an intellectual conversation to some degree. I am constantly impressed with her command of the English language and often will hear her use a word and I say OMG how did you know that word. I tolerate fools and dumb people badly.
Me for one, if I can't connect on an intellectual level the rest don't matter..thats why I have never been out with a Doreen, Doris or Delorus.
4FoW2

No worries:
I was one of her customers. We hit it off fairly early. I asked if she had a BF. She said no - not long split up. I asked if she wanted a BF - she said yes. And off we went. She needed a visa and her bridging visa was about to be canceled. We had been dating for a few months by then and marriage was an easier route to PR. And we wanted to be together so it seemed OK at the time. It lasted 11 months. I found out she was still doing FS which I had suspected for a while and she swore she was not. She had promised to stop FS when we married. She was also doing BBBJ which concerned me in relation to STI's. In addition, sex with her was awful - no foreplay, no kissing and no touching her. She would grab my cock, rub it, get lube and then jump on. I asked her about being more affectionate and she did not repsond. So that was it.

[4FoW2]

No worries:
I was one of her customers. We hit it off fairly early. I asked if she had a BF. She said no - not long split up. I asked if she wanted a BF - she said yes. And off we went. She needed a visa and her bridging visa was about to be canceled. We had been dating for a few months by then and marriage was an easier route to PR. And we wanted to be together so it seemed OK at the time. It lasted 11 months. I found out she was still doing FS which I had suspected for a while and she swore she was not. She had promised to stop FS when we married. She was also doing BBBJ which concerned me in relation to STI's. In addition, sex with her was awful - no foreplay, no kissing and no touching her. She would grab my cock, rub it, get lube and then jump on. I asked her about being more affectionate and she did not repsond. So that was it.

Appreciate you willing to share your personal experiences. The old saying about taking the girl out of the bar....
4FoW2

[Ptyltd#69]

No worries:
I was one of her customers. We hit it off fairly early. I asked if she had a BF. She said no - not long split up. I asked if she wanted a BF - she said yes. And off we went. She needed a visa and her bridging visa was about to be canceled. We had been dating for a few months by then and marriage was an easier route to PR. And we wanted to be together so it seemed OK at the time. It lasted 11 months. I found out she was still doing FS which I had suspected for a while and she swore she was not. She had promised to stop FS when we married. She was also doing BBBJ which concerned me in relation to STI's. In addition, sex with her was awful - no foreplay, no kissing and no touching her. She would grab my cock, rub it, get lube and then jump on. I asked her about being more affectionate and she did not repsond. So that was it.

The old saying, you've gotta be in it to win it.
You had a crack, sure beats doing nothing.
Unfortunate it didn't work out.

[Holdan]

Appreciate you willing to share your personal experiences. The old saying about taking the girl out of the bar....
4FoW2

100% correct. My belief is that the big money and having men adore them is too much of an attraction - like a drug addiction - can't/won't shake it

[Kunta66]

Agree 100% a majority of the ml have gambling problems and I'm not saying few hundred here and there I'm talking thousands of dollars. With that sort of addiction the money they earn from us is just to easy to ever give up. The lure of the tables is always going to be greater than any relationship you think you might have a chance of.

[harry444]

Kunta may be right, it seems to be an Asian thing. I had a ML GF for a while, could have gone either way, but she had a gambling problem. Would pick her up after work from the pub next door playing the pokies, big time.

[carlco777]

I would seriously doubt that.
What is that claim based upon??

if you go to the casino after 2am on a weeknight, chances are you will run into one or two of the ML/WL on the baccarrat tables at the casino. i myself have seen them there.

it appears a lot of people in here think that a girl ( WL/ML ) would leave their home country by choice, to go to a foreign country to perform sexual services for money. i don't know why any logical person would think that. a ML would make $700 a day working. 5 days a week, $14,000 a month. if they work hard without spending too much, easily HALF A MILLION in three years. do people ever think, how is it some of the ML/WL are still in the industry after ten or more years ? do they really enjoy providing sexual services ? where did all the money they have earned all those years go to ? did they spend it all eating, drinking ? maybe some of it went to the purchase of LV handbags blah blah blah .... but i believe and i am also sure a lot of them are hooked on gambling.

[Kunta66]

My claim is based on actually sitting at the tables with ml/wg and watching them lose obscene amounts of money
I know and have seen it first hand how much they win and how much they lose that's why some are given the platinum cards because they spend they much money at Casino.

[Kunta66]

Not met but actually gone there with them and been introduced to other ml/wg maybe not a majority but there are a few with big gambling problems

[Massage 69]

Hi , I went out with a ML almost 2 years , a great girl had a great time and she always was upfront when we got more serious , most of them just switch on at work and play the game as do strippers , then go home forget about it and hang out with boyfriend , hubby or friends , its that simple . And the good money is the motivation , trust me if most of them could do something else and make decent money they would , well thats just my Experience ?

[gpeck80]

The days about ppl believing that relationships are all about love are long gone ...todays its transactional .....
4FoW2

We can literally thank Feminism for that.

[gpeck80]

People never stop growing and changing and sometimes people just grow apart. Most media gives unrealistic expectations of "happily ever after" and doesn't give any exposure to the reality of the human condition. Thats not to say that no relationship can last but without accepting that love with wax and wane you'll run into issues no matter how the relationship began.

Its not the media its feminism. Before feminism women were expected to be virgins, not sleep around and not cheat. If they were busted cheating, her husband could legally kick her out onto the street. Since Women are inherently transactional, they understood the common sense of maintaining loyalty to a contract that was transactional to the point of survival. And then feminists lobbied to remove that clause (no fault divorce - meaning she can cheat on you, pretend that your four sons are yours = fraud and suffer zero punishment in the divorce proceedings). Women are instinctual wayward money hungry whores that need to be oppressed for their own good. Today, having a live in girlfriend (for two years) is legally the same as a wife. A girlfriend living in your house (after two years) can literally sue you for half your house,d despite not putting a single cent toward it.
Feminism wasnt about empowerment, it was about removing any consequence for Females being slutty, disloyal and evil. We're living in sodom and gomorrah times. Dont wife them up. Just fk them for free if you can, pay for it if you cant and focus on your own happiness. Its the only level of happiness a man is alllowed to have any control over these days.

[Herpetology]

Don't ever Fall into that.
Just enjoy them some of the time, try different girls.
Becoming a regular customer is highly recommended at the best shops .
They love $! But not you in mose cases.
Just speaking from 20 yrs of experience, with Nice Asian Ladies. I find that the Asian Ladies are more understanding that my Australian girlfriends.
If you do date an Asian shop girl it is highly likely that she will no give up her job for you .

[harry444]

I'm old now, and feel sorry for the girls sometimes, but Asians are more understanding and accepting, if you have the money. And haven't met an Asian called Karen yet.

[ABCguy]

Its not the media its feminism. Before feminism women were expected to be virgins, not sleep around and not cheat. If they were busted cheating, her husband could legally kick her out onto the street. Since Women are inherently transactional, they understood the common sense of maintaining loyalty to a contract that was transactional to the point of survival. And then feminists lobbied to remove that clause (no fault divorce - meaning she can cheat on you, pretend that your four sons are yours = fraud and suffer zero punishment in the divorce proceedings). Women are instinctual wayward money hungry whores that need to be oppressed for their own good. Today, having a live in girlfriend (for two years) is legally the same as a wife. A girlfriend living in your house (after two years) can literally sue you for half your house,d despite not putting a single cent toward it.
Feminism wasnt about empowerment, it was about removing any consequence for Females being slutty, disloyal and evil. We're living in sodom and gomorrah times. Dont wife them up. Just fk them for free if you can, pay for it if you cant and focus on your own happiness. Its the only level of happiness a man is alllowed to have any control over these days.

You have to go further and realise it's not feminism though, it's the enablers. Who enabled all this? The white knights. If it wasn't for them then these things would not have come into law. I dislike the white knights more than I do the feminists. Next, it won't be surprising if they create a "Bachelor's tax" because of declining fertility rates because men don't want to take the risk anymore and even that will counter your suggestion of focusing on your own happiness. But I agree, if you don't want to be one of the growing male suicide statistics, for the time being until then, focusing on your own happiness or going your own way is the logical thing to do in today's culture/society.

[Stalkingbutler]

This is fascinating to read.

It’s amazing how the right words, reciprocal desire, kindness and attention can be intoxicating.

Especially when you are lonely, or feeling empty.

Is this an angle the women play regularly to hook a customer for longer and more regular visits or a power play? Or both?

So… help bring me back to my senses. Convince me I’m being played (or not)!

[Raffiz88]

I’m in the process of falling hard for an ML so this is fascinating to read.

It’s amazing how the right words, reciprocal desire, kindness and attention can be intoxicating. Not to mention receiving service quality that goes above and beyond standard extras.

Especially when you are lonely, or feeling empty.

Is seems this an angle the women play regularly to hook a customer for longer and more regular visits or a sadistic power play? Or both?

So… help bring me back to my senses. Convince me I’m being played (or not)!

You are not being played. You are just in delusion. Period.

There is nothing more to convince you. When you go to shop to buy something the attendant is nice to you, smiles at you while talking and says you look good in that shirt. Because that is her job and getting you to buy that shirt helps her reach her sales target. If you don't fall for her, then why are you falling for ML? It is their job and they are providing a service. Enjoy the service, respect the service provider. But end the story there.

I am friendly with few MLs and they seems to share a lot of their stories and life views with me. From what I heard, most of them have something broken inside them after seeing so many penis and married/committed men coming to them everyday, as described themselves.

Don't blame ML by saying they are playing you. You paid her to be nice to you and to provide service to you.

[Dr Grafton Everest]

Enjoy the service, respect the service provider. But end the story there.

Excellent advice