What are your predictions for post 1st August?

[tripitaka19]

We are only about 6 weeks from the new laws coming into effect.

What do you think will change from 1st August?

Ads now quoting full services and prices?
A period of price competition with new players increasing supply?
Mini brothels opening with multiple girls working together?
More and higher quality girls being available now thats it not illegal?

Looking forward to finding out but it also might not change much.

[Timtamslam]

I’d like to see some shops move in the direction of Sydney joints. A fee that includes a level of extras and then something more on top if you want that. CBD style massage type shop would be great.

[Gentleman20]

I think people are getting it all mixed up ... my understanding is that the WOMEN will not be charged and cant be disadvantaged by their trade ................. as for managers/agents/pimps ............. yeah - not so sure ?

[Tutt]

I’d like to see some shops move in the direction of Sydney joints. A fee that includes a level of extras and then something more on top if you want that. CBD style massage type shop would be great.

Linda opening a shop up here would be fantastic

[4FoW2]

Deleted - my opinion not needed

[kingwally]

Every horse in the world has a birthday.

[Who Killed Tangerine]

Every horse in the world has a birthday.
Incorrect.

Every horse in the southern hemisphere celebrates their birthday on August 1st. Horses in the northern hemisphere celebrate their birthdays on January 1st. These dates have been chosen to coincide with the beginning of the breeding and foaling seasons.
As to the topic, bigger players from Southern States will ply their trade. Services may be more transparent, but not for awhile

[Sirlunchalot]

I really don't see prices changes happening in the short term. In the long term maybe the number of providers increases so theoretically prices could come down. Maybe advertising for services will become more overt. But as alluded to above Southern "corporate" competitors may see Queensland as a fertile expansion market and seek to enter because of perceived better profit margins. Thereby removing any real potential for price reductions. My understanding of economics is very limited so do your own research.

[Oz246]

Keep in mind that while police interest will decline, Border Security will continue to take an interest in this trade and the visa status of participants. Councils will also have an enduring public health and zoning interest, and there will be a trade union somewhere that will become involved. What this means is that while you might not have to explain yourself to the police, there is still a chance that some badge or card weilding person is going to come-a-knocking while you are in a compromising position.

[Gethandson]

Keep in mind that while police interest will decline, Border Security will continue to take an interest in this trade and the visa status of participants. Councils will also have an enduring public health and zoning interest, and there will be a trade union somewhere that will become involved. What this means is that while you might not have to explain yourself to the police, there is still a chance that some badge or card weilding person is going to come-a-knocking while you are in a compromising position.

Yeah, valid. Some Visa's have working time restrictions and that might be an area for targetting by Border Security. Guess we will have to wait and see.

[Gethandson]

Yeah, Good call. With some visas having working time restrictions that might mean they take more of an interest. Have to see how it pans out.

[maxa]

Here you go

https://beautybne.com
https://www.7starau.com/bne/
https://odbne.com

[Bed Wrecker]

Here you go

https://beautybne.com
https://www.7starau.com/bne/
https://odbne.com

Are you trying to force 4fow2 on a plane to South East Asia?
Unreadable websites (If you dont speak Mandarin) wanting $500 plus an hour.

[maxa]

Are you trying to force 4fow2 on a plane to South East Asia?
Unreadable websites (If you dont speak Mandarin) wanting $500 plus an hour.

Haha, You can do website translate. The OP wanted to see what the competition looks like from down south who have setup shop up here. Hopefully competition will make these prices come down.

[NathanA]

I think the prices will only go up, each one insisting their services are better than others.

[funinqld]

Well as far as what I think or hope will happen is first........we can give a proper review.
So I saw girl A and she did B,C and D and it cost this much.
That will change things as far as service I am hoping. I have mentioned other sites a few times and what the reviews are like in NSW so I am hoping at least we can give more feedback to everyone on here.

The other good thing that will happen gradually is girls will be able to get together in a house/unit and have 3 or so in a place and do what they want without any probing by the police and also if they do get a dickhead punter they can report them to the police without worrying about what happens next.

And I do hope in time that some of the Western Sydney type brothel owners do set up here so they can show how its done and then we will be the winner eventually with prices maybe.....maybe coming down or at least there are not many extras.
As I have mentioned a few times BBBJ is standard service....usually anal is the extra.
And also just to mention I am talking about full service providers, not massage....That may become better also.

[kaankaant]

Hopefully less regulation will lead to more competition and eventually an end to the god awful extras culture we have up here.

[Dr Grafton Everest]

Please take note: A 25% price reduction begins on 1 August :)

[HughJorgan]

I've followed the situation in Victoria for several years which is the same as here and would expect that it will be similar results. A few shops will offer more services and occasional ones will drop their prices but overall not a lot changes except that the concern about being raided is gone for the punter. The main driver of prices is always general economic conditions and while the media do their usual beat up about the "Cost of living crisis" the truth is that with unemployment at 4% and holding girls can get a steady job in various industries so there is no need to turn to sex work in desperation. I did just see this advert on Locanto which shows that the shop owners are much more brazen now with their adverts https://www.locanto.com.au/brisbane/ID_6860004573/Nude-massage-and-prostate-massage-available.html This happened in Vic after 1 Dec '23 but the ads disappeared fairly quickly as I think they found that those ads attracted the wrong type of customer and caused the girls a fair bit of bother.

[Johnny Apples]

I've followed the situation in Victoria for several years which is the same as here and would expect that it will be similar results. A few shops will offer more services and occasional ones will drop their prices but overall not a lot changes except that the concern about being raided is gone for the punter. The main driver of prices is always general economic conditions and while the media do their usual beat up about the "Cost of living crisis" the truth is that with unemployment at 4% and holding girls can get a steady job in various industries so there is no need to turn to sex work in desperation. I did just see this advert on Locanto which shows that the shop owners are much more brazen now with their adverts https://www.locanto.com.au/brisbane/ID_6860004573/Nude-massage-and-prostate-massage-available.html This happened in Vic after 1 Dec '23 but the ads disappeared fairly quickly as I think they found that those ads attracted the wrong type of customer and caused the girls a fair bit of bother.

Looks like I’m going to Ccopers Plains

[Tales]

Was thinking the same thing...

[Puntersclub]

Perhaps more shops will offer FPOS, it’s a pain making a special trip for cash for a massage. Tips still in cash.
Maybe some smaller shops will offer an all inclusion rate up front?

[funinqld]

Yes non of this shop fee and girl fee. That way in the room if the girl says she will do something for extra the punter can say yes and they both get what they want. The eftpos thing not really fussed. I am quite happy for the girl to not pay any tax. Fuck the government lol

[hornedbeast]

Many Queenslanders are bible bashing prudes, hence the laws we have had here decades after most other places binned them.

Wishing the Ginza Group in Sydney would expand North. Half of the flea-ridden dumps here now would close overnight.

[funinqld]

I would like a place like Bonz1 at & hills (Sydney).
Used to be one of my go to places.75/135 for 30/60 mins.
BBBJ standard and a few that did an%l for 5o xtra.....and that was basically the only extra.
Big rooms with a shower and porn on the screen. Sometimes a chair/lounge as well for some extra positions to f%ck or get blown

[funinqld]

7 Hills I meant.
Or if we have boiler shops then Yokos and or I think it was 52@surry Hills.
50 year olds who do everything and doubles too.
First time I have one rimming me and the other blowing me at the same time.
Now thats heaven lol

[Peterpecker]

Unless Ginza or a Ginza like company come in, then nothing much will change. Most massage places are poorly run and offer varying services. Brothels are also badly run, are often dirty and rely on workers from NSW.

There would be a change for the better but only if an experienced operator came in, like Ginza.

[fossilbone]

As most of the current owners are so greedy, if they did include the service price the ML wouldn’t be happy as the owners would be after a percentage of their service fee as well.

[funinqld]

Yes true but with the new laws coming in maybe it will change a bit....but it will take time. See how we go.
After august 1 hopefully guys wont put up cryptic clues as to girls.
The thing is now for the girls they can have a bit of security.
Before it was illegal for 2 working girls to be together and get this...it was illegal for one to contact another one.

[VFlowers]

I think changes will be mostly slow and gradual.
Interestingly, most of the MLs whom I've seen over recent weeks, are rather clueless with regard to the change in legislation - that it has happened, when it will come into effect, what it will mean in general, and for them in particular....

[maxa]

If we want to see price and service similar to Sydney, we need to do what Sydney brothers are doing, openly talk and share the service and price we got provided. It is a market economy, supply is important but quality is also important. Therefore, first thing we need to do is to do reviews like the Sydney forum. When I read the detail review in the Sydney forum, I would punt more, which mean more demand hence grow the whole market.

[funinqld]

If we want to see price and service similar to Sydney, we need to do what Sydney brothers are doing, openly talk and share the service and price we got provided. It is a market economy, supply is important but quality is also important. Therefore, first thing we need to do is to do reviews like the Sydney forum. When I read the detail review in the Sydney forum, I would punt more, which mean more demand hence grow the whole market.

Here here. Look at the reviews on auxxx. Go to the Sydney section and you will see all the reviews. You get price, lady rating and what happened exactly in the time spent.
The Sydney reviews on this site are not great. Sorry

[Massage hunter]

Here here. Look at the reviews on auxxx. Go to the Sydney section and you will see all the reviews. You get price, lady rating and what happened exactly in the time spent.
The Sydney reviews on this site are not great. Sorry

The membership in that forum requires 2 reviews and the forum is for NSW only if I am not mistaken

[funinqld]

Well put up 2 reviews and see how you go. It has QLD reviews but not compared to the 10000 or so for Sydney because punting in Brisbane is crap.
You have seen ladies here I am sure.

[HughJorgan]

I know that 1st of August is the date that we believe that the new laws will come into effect but I still can't find any official announcement confirming this or any other date. There was talk in May that Steven Miles had made an announcement that it would be 01 Aug but I cannot find confirmation of this anywhere. Can someone please post the link to the official notice (Not general talk) that specifies that date? Thanks

[chonkster]

https://x.com/decrimqld/status/1787309861459673221?s=46&t=v4JMSxVgtQ8auJzSWKUFzQ

[ABCguy]

My prediction is we will stop needing to talk in cryptic messages, censoring the name of the provider and cringe at the people who do.

[Zag Dez]

Looks like I’m going to Ccopers Plains


Warts and all 🤣🤣🤣

[Tutt]

CBD style is great and top quality talent

[popeye96]

My prediction is we will stop needing to talk in cryptic messages, censoring the name of the provider and cringe at the people who do.

I'm not sure of that unless you want to scare off the few good ones still around. I'm sure most of the ML's still won't want their names and services provided, plastered all over the internet. Maybe a bit of discretion is still advisable. Just because they can no longer get into trouble legally, doesn't mean they want to attract unwanted clientele.

[Phaser74]

Predictions Post Aug 1)
1- Nothing Changes

[HughJorgan]

https://x.com/decrimqld/status/1787309861459673221?s=46&t=v4JMSxVgtQ8auJzSWKUFzQ

It says 'This page does not exist - try searching for something else". I think this was something that Steven Miles may have tweeted but even if it was that is not an official government proclamation. There should be an official notice on a government webpage stating the effective date but I can't find one.

[Massage hunter]

One thing that might change or maybe not……. I might be reading too much into it. In a legit massage shop when I am flipped over and her hand is near my groin.. And during this time when I feel her legs up and down or her back or buttocks beneath the uniform, her hand goes closer and closer to my dick . When I retreat, she also retreats. I have said sorry and she said it’s OK. This has happened at two different occasions. Could this also be because of the restrictions in Brisbane and if there is a mutual consent or something then perhaps they cannot be charged or something? Not sure. But if this is because of the law, then definitely instead of this runaround it will be an open question if one wants extras or not even in a legit shop.

[funinqld]

I'm not sure of that unless you want to scare off the few good ones still around. I'm sure most of the ML's still won't want their names and services provided, plastered all over the internet. Maybe a bit of discretion is still advisable. Just because they can no longer get into trouble legally, doesn't mean they want to attract unwanted clientele.

You don't go around telling working ladies that you review them. I don't know why anyone would tell a working girl about this site or others/

[popeye96]

You don't go around telling working ladies that you review them. I don't know why anyone would tell a working girl about this site or others/

If you think the majority of working girls don't already know about this and other forums you are delusional.

[Sirlunchalot]

I agree, this forum is well known by ML' s and WL's. In fact I have been asked about it during a massage appointment 2 weeks ago.

[Phaser74]

If you think the majority of working girls don't already know about this and other forums you are delusional.

That doesnt mean they want their details broadcast across the internet to a bunch of nameless faceless anonymous guys. 10 times as many non users as users look here.

[VFlowers]

That doesnt mean they want their details broadcast across the internet to a bunch of nameless faceless anonymous guys. 10 times as many non users as users look here.

They probably will have to get used to it, when the 'Decrim Act' comes into effect.

I've talked to some MLs about it, and not only are many of them unaware of the upcoming changes, but also, once they know they don't seem overly enthusiastic.
The decriminalisation of what they're doing will come at a price for them:
- more and more detailed reviews,
- more pressure to provide certain services,
- open advertising with certain services,
- more competition, price drop, pressure to advertise with photos,
- the shop owners might want a slice of the 'extras' money or offer 'inclusive rates',
- more demanding customers,
and so on.

I know a few MLs who are likely to quit when some or all of the above happens.

[Selecta]

They probably will have to get used to it, when the 'Decrim Act' comes into effect.

I've talked to some MLs about it, and not only are many of them unaware of the upcoming changes, but also, once they know they don't seem overly enthusiastic.
The decriminalisation of what they're doing will come at a price for them:
- more and more detailed reviews,
- more pressure to provide certain services,
- open advertising with certain services,
- more competition, price drop, pressure to advertise with photos,
- the shop owners might want a slice of the 'extras' money or offer 'inclusive rates',
- more demanding customers,
and so on.

I know a few MLs who are likely to quit when some or all of the above happens.
I agree.
I asked a ML the otherday about this and she pretty much said that she was afraid of customers taking advantage of her with the new changes. Not sure that this is what it equates to but there seems to be some hesitance to be happy with the changes.

[CumShot]

That doesnt mean they want their details broadcast across the internet to a bunch of nameless faceless anonymous guys. 10 times as many non users as users look here.

exactly. with that same logic they will also keep their adverts off Locanto, E&B, etc etc. Take a page from the Sydney shops, it's not as if they plaster their adverts on sites like this and keep their rosters updated.

unfortunately the low brow clientele can read and even decipher our code.

[ABCguy]

I have a feeling the ones that talk in code like to talk in code because they enjoy it (the defensive ones in here at the very least). At the end of the day there will be no point in talking in code anymore and it will be cringe.

[RLC]

My prediction is quite a few stores who currently offer HICAPS will mysteriously drop this option as the facade of legitimacy will no longer be needed.

[bent_strings]

The legitimacy thing works both ways. As a customer you lose plausible deniability if there's no doubt about what a shop offers. I already stick to shops with discrete entrances.

No way do I want to be seen going to a legal sex shop, the legality isn't what would cause issues for me at work or at home

[HughJorgan]

Just for light entertainment here is a locanto advert for a shop in Reservoir, Melbourne that offers FS for $100 for 30 minutes and often gets good reviews yet shops in other suburbs and even nearby are very expensive
https://www.locanto.com.au/melbourne/ID_6951444999/SS-E-XX-sex-SUCK-FUCK-massage-100-HotJuicy-Asian-Pussy-RESERVOIR.html

[flik]

The legitimacy thing works both ways. As a customer you lose plausible deniability if there's no doubt about what a shop offers. I already stick to shops with discrete entrances.

The plausible deniability will go out the window once these places are openly advertising to the extent that a Google search could easily reveal what kind of place it is. At the moment, even the ones advertising on Locanto don’t explicitly put options on the menu.

I suspect most places will actually try to maintain an air of legitimacy due to a not insignificant number of customers that need to maintain the facade.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they still front as a normal legit shop but once you’re in the room the options get put on the table up front rather than waiting for you to ask towards the end. some still seem very reluctant to ask to question first at the moment. I suspect this will change.

There will be places that go all in and be very open about what they are selling but I suspect some customers will avoid these places due to taboo and discretion still being a thing. in 5 years time I suspect public perception will change a bit.

The interesting thing is how some places, like Thai shops, will differentiate themselves from legit vs parlour shops. legit shop doesn’t want to deal with punters and a parlour shop probably doesn’t want to waste time on massage only bookings.

One of the biggest problems in the last few years were shops that tried to do both. By trying to be a legit shop the massage fee had to be higher. This throws off your punters as you can save 20 bucks by going to the shops that offer extras. Rarely did I find the massage at the Thai place outright better or worth the $20-30 extra.

I miss the days I could spend $90 for 90 minutes at a legit Thai massage from someone who knew what they were doing and then just going to get my extra kicks for $70 from some private Asian. $160 damage total and i got an extra 30 minutes. Now a NHJ with shop fee for 60 minutes is $180.

[NathanA]

blame legal/minimum wage

[HughJorgan]

Ok, it is now official that decriminalisation of sex work will come into effect next Thursday 01 Aug as per this notice on the WorkSafe webpage https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/your-industry/sex-work/resources-for-sex-work-workplaces-and-workers which was apparently uploaded 2 days ago. Initially don't expect too many changes but if you visit shops that provide various extras but not FS then there is a fair chance that they will start offering that as well, most likely for an extra $50 on top of their current top extra, the ones that do offer FS now are unlikely to change much. As the market gets used to the changes then some shops will become more open in declaring what they do and don't offer, interesting times.

[Massageloverbris]

I think shop fees will go up or maybe go to a room hire fee

[funinqld]

Well if it is legitimate girls will hopefully get together and rent a place to work from and be secure together too. That may eventually make prices slightly better and better service

[lashings74]

Seeing as I was in massage room when cops turned up to the shop last year, I predict that I will be a lot less anxious visiting shops now and hearing the front door ring/knock

[stripe135]

What will change - agencies advertising more openly I imagine

[butyl]

Seeing as I was in massage room when cops turned up to the shop last year, I predict that I will be a lot less anxious visiting shops now and hearing the front door ring/knock

Having been through this myself. This is the biggest thing I'm looking forward to. I haven't been able to relax when in a massage shop since that happened to me. So I've mostly stopped going or very occasionally see a private

[Oz246]

My regular at a non FS place said when I come next month she will happily go further, but condom required. I once asked at this place about FS, and they said definitely not, and even denied they do extras while happily delivering them to me.

[scorpio85]

Having been through this myself. This is the biggest thing I'm looking forward to. I haven't been able to relax when in a massage shop since that happened to me. So I've mostly stopped going or very occasionally see a private
Hoping this is no longer relevant, or possible post-1st August, but what were the ramifications for you? Did you get a fine or anything? Also, assuming the door was locked, couldn't you just say you were there for a legit massage?

[funinqld]

Seeing as I was in massage room when cops turned up to the shop last year, I predict that I will be a lot less anxious visiting shops now and hearing the front door ring/knock

Yep its a relief. I have never had that issue. The only time I was worried once was in Western Sydney when some council people turned up to a property I was seeing a lovely lady having fun with at the time. It was in Castle Hill though which is Hillsong country so to speak......enough said.
I did see a police car out the front of Vivi's or very near there last week. Might have been visiting another shop along there though

[AUlysses]

Seeing as I was in massage room when cops turned up to the shop last year, I predict that I will be a lot less anxious visiting shops now and hearing the front door ring/knock

Happened to me at the toombul massage house, the first and only time I've been there.

[harry444]

I've been busted, a long time ago, but no problems. I think that unless they actually catch you with your dick in the girl, then you are there just for a therapeutic massage.

[RLC]

Well in theory now no more being busted.

[tripitaka19]

Why in theory? Are there still grey areas?

Will we see a difference in advertising today? Anyone seen any blatant new ads?

[RLC]

In theory because I am assuming Visa raids will still be on the cards and while not our issue still don’t want to be stuck in the middle of one.

[VFlowers]

Recently saw a ML who once was one of my regulars but whom I hadn't seen in a while. She's running a little shop on the north side.
At the end of the session I brought up the topic of the legislative change, and she was completely unaware of it. To the extent that she asked me to send her proof that it was true and I wasn't BSing her.

As stated before, I wouldn't expect anything to change in a hurry...

[fossilbone]

Yes,, the one in Southport behind CSI, says due to law changes each girl will offer different up to full service and to come and ask, won’t be posting online however.

[AUlysses]

Recently saw a ML who once was one of my regulars but whom I hadn't seen in a while. She's running a little shop on the north side.
At the end of the session I brought up the topic of the legislative change, and she was completely unaware of it. To the extent that she asked me to send her proof that it was true and I wasn't BSing her.

As stated before, I wouldn't expect anything to change in a hurry...

How far northside?

[popeye96]

Is there even any confirmation the legislation has changed?

[VFlowers]

How far northside?

It's still in QLD.
Does it really matter for the point I'm making??

[AUlysses]

It's still in QLD.
Does it really matter for the point I'm making??

I'm just looking for new shops on brisbanes northside is all.

[thunder545454]

Sex work is no longer a crime in Queensland
All types of sex work are no longer criminalized in
Queensland.

Decriminalization changes the regulators of sex
work and the role of police
Previous regulators, the Prostitution Enforcement
Taskforce (PETF) in the Queensland Police Service
(QPS) and the Prostitution Licensing Authority (PLA)
are being abolished. QPS will no longer have a role
in the regulation of sex work.
Police entrapment powers (posing as clients) were
repealed in September 2023.
This signals a major change to how QPS should
relate to sex workers. Sex workers should expect to
be treated with respect and to have any reports of
crime against us taken seriously.


So from today we are now free if some cunty old bitch calls up to police to complain about a massage shop, the police will say well that's not illegal and do nothing.

I hope someone ups their game and leads the way, sydney shops have websites with weekly schedules and photo's, even if most don't show their face at least you get an idea of what you are getting before booking.

[Constantinople]

Where’s this nirvana i was promised?

[kamas]

Fee refunds for brothel licensees and managers
The Amendment Act also repeals in full the Prostitution Act 1999, and as a result the Prostitution Licensing Authority is abolished. There will be no sex work specific regulator or licensing system for sex work businesses.
All fees paid by brothel licensees and approved managers will be refunded on a pro rata basis calculated from 9 May 2024, with fees paid after that date refunded in full.

https://www.justice.qld.gov.au/initiatives/sex-work-industry-decriminalisation

[RLC]

I went to a regular yesterday who is in a smaller and quieter shop. Usually when we get down to business she shuts and locks the exterior and room door before nuding up. Today she just got it all off without the precautions she usually does.

[funinqld]

Nice.....sounds like at least there is a bit more relaxation for the ladies

[Herpetology]

[QUOTE=4FoW2;3073301]Firstly, I believe, change will be gradual. I think some people think on the 1st of August the world will change, it will not.
I'm thinking that with the law change more "ladies" will consider this as a short time career, more "overseers" will be drawn to the money making potential and thus an increase in numbers of ladies and venues, I agree with Trip19.
This all leads to more competition, which should lead to price reduction and service quality increased. I'd say give it 15 years and we will have a similar market, although smaller due to Bris population, akin with Sydney.

Anyway, give it 30 years and we will have Ai, holograms or personal robots to tend to our needs - can you imagine .............

4FoW2[/QUOTE
I have not been contacted
About the working party, Minister and new legislation
My understanding is that the Government should contact all shops including mine

Herps

[lashings74]

I have not been contacted
About the working party, Minister and new legislation
My understanding is that the Government should contact all shops including mine

Herps

Why would the government contact someone who is running a so called legitimate massage shop ?

[Sirlunchalot]

Yes, a strange attitude to expect the Government to contact legitimate massage shop owners. In terms on my experience since August 1. Nothing has changed. The massage lady I saw shrugged her shoulders and said nothing will change for her.

[Herpetology]

Part of the Stake Holders Minsterial Approach
Is to Educate all in this business a common approach

You stated

'Why would the government contact someone who is running a so-called legitimate massage shop? '


Educating owners of any business is and has been always a policy of Governments

Do you understand key Stake Holders in business regarding the new legislation were involved


OMG 'Yes, a strange attitude to expect the Government to contact legitimate massage shop owners. In terms on my experience since August 1. Nothing has changed. The massage lady I saw shrugged her shoulders and said nothing will change for her.' Uneducated girl has no idea in the matter sir
Herps

[Massageloverbris]

The new laws are now in the favor of the ML not the owner of shop as it was . Now the ladies can complain to work place health and safety and not be affaid to report things .

Will big fines for owners who do treat mls ok example over work no breaks under pay asking to do things they do want do . Time will tell

[ABCguy]

Fee refunds for brothel licensees and managers
The Amendment Act also repeals in full the Prostitution Act 1999, and as a result the Prostitution Licensing Authority is abolished. There will be no sex work specific regulator or licensing system for sex work businesses.
All fees paid by brothel licensees and approved managers will be refunded on a pro rata basis calculated from 9 May 2024, with fees paid after that date refunded in full.

https://www.justice.qld.gov.au/initiatives/sex-work-industry-decriminalisation

Now let's see if the brothels pass on that cost savings to the customers. Doubt they will but hopefully some new competition can come in and give better prices.

[lashings74]

Part of the Stake Holders Minsterial Approach
Is to Educate all in this business a common approach

You stated

'Why would the government contact someone who is running a so-called legitimate massage shop? '


Educating owners of any business is and has been always a policy of Governments

Do you understand key Stake Holders in business regarding the new legislation were involved


OMG 'Yes, a strange attitude to expect the Government to contact legitimate massage shop owners. In terms on my experience since August 1. Nothing has changed. The massage lady I saw shrugged her shoulders and said nothing will change for her.' Uneducated girl has no idea in the matter sir
Herps

That’s my whole point . Why would the government need to contact you? Surely you weren’t in the “sex industry “ and running an illegal brothel before Aug 1 and the government knew you were doing that ?

[VFlowers]

The new laws are now in the favor of the ML not the owner of shop as it was . Now the ladies can complain to work place health and safety and not be affaid to report things .

Will big fines for owners who do treat mls ok example over work no breaks under pay asking to do things they do want do . Time will tell

I'm not too sure that the new legislation is all in favour of MLs.
Shop owners can now advertise inclusive rates for services previously known as 'extras'. This would almost certainly reduce the MLs' share and income.
It could also mean that MLs might now have to deliver services that previously were offered on an individual basis at their sole discretion.
Most MLs I discussed the legislative change with were not overly enthusiastic about it.

[Massageloverbris]

Only time will tell guess

[harry444]

Anyone seen any new style ads yet. Should be along the style of Sydney ads. Eg Sydney Baby Massage, where they show a faceless picture of the girls and details of expectations. Looking forward to it

[popeye96]

I don't really know what the Sydney scene is. Are there any establishments there that have multiple shops? Maybe our best hope is one of them decides to expand north of the border.

[dt333]

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[Selecta]

There will be a black swan event in the next 6 months sending a market crash.
I dont disagree, but this possibly needs its own thread.

[x0lover]

Not sure whether the shops will be explicitly listing what services are included.

[Who Killed Tangerine]

Not sure whether the shops will be explicitly listing what services are included.

Massage shops arent turning into brothels.
Girls will still have the freedom to decide services based on customers.
Shops that force services on girls will lose them.

[Sirlunchalot]

I agree with WKT. Massage Shops won't be doing this. It would attract all the wrong kind of attention, potentially piss of neighbours and staff would leave.

[HughJorgan]

Anyone seen any new style ads yet. Should be along the style of Sydney ads. Eg Sydney Baby Massage, where they show a faceless picture of the girls and details of expectations. Looking forward to it

I've scoured Locanto in the last 2 days and hardly anything has changed yet and no one has mentioned that the law has changed. Natural Massage at 627 Logan Rd, Greenslopes is offering 30 mins massage with HE for $70 and FS for $120 (No idea what it's like) and is the only one openly stating FS. There does seem to be several independents advertising now and their adverts are generally more explicit.

[funinqld]

hopefully some privates will get together in a unit and work together. Houses can be tricky. idealy brothels may set up in industrial areas

[VFlowers]

There will be a black swan event in the next 6 months sending a market crash.

By the looks of it, it's probably more like within the next 6 days...

[Franksnotin]

By the looks of it, it's probably more like within the next 6 days...

Can I ask why you say this mate or what you think will be happening?

[Gentleman20]

Its now the 12th .... what exactly was this big event that was predicted ???

[HughJorgan]

Its now the 12th .... what exactly was this big event that was predicted ???

The All Ord's fell nearly 500 points in 2 days but since then has regained about half of that. Stock market drops are always newsworthy but gains of the same magnitude over a longer term rarely make the news.

[CumShot]

When market regulation changes it is the new entrants who are more likely to adopt new models. Existing players will resist change and see no reason to change. They still have enough regular clients paying regular prices.

The pain of change is greater than the pain of staying the same. For example:

20 punters at 100$ = 2,000$ income

if the other shops are charging 80$ but the majority of customers don't know

Strategy A - Don't pass on any price/service change
2 lost customers
18 punters at 100$ = 1,800$

Strategy B - Pass on new pricing to everyone and keep everyone
20 punters at 60$ = 1,200$

You can see that you need to lose 40% of your customers before it makes sense to think about reviewing prices.

Strategy C - Selective pricing
Would be some way for shops to know if you are a new or old client. This we might see being done with shops having new 'advertised' numbers. Use the new number they know you are actively searching adverts, use legacy number and they know you are un-informed and will get the legacy rate.

Another consideration is that while the legislation has changed the cost base of the businesses hasn't. Owners still need to get volume of bookings. As long they get bookings then there is no need to change. Operators will need to renegotiate their landlord premium ie the premium that landlords are applying for turning a blind eye. That's one way for operators to start reducing the cost bases.

The same can be considered for the girls. Whereas the girls may have previously for some premium to do do illegal massage work, now that it is legal what incentive is there for them to accept less for what they can see as the same work, same premises? New girls will need to enter and will be happy at what is generally considered a very good income for the hours performed.

As I wrote in another thread, punters will need to let go of their regulars, let go of their familiar shops and seek out new operators and shops. Don't expect your current providers to reduce prices.

The market wont change unless YOU change your punting.



For shop owners here are some other strategies you can have for free from an internationally qualified business analyst. You are going to be following one of them anyway at least here is a selection so that you can choose wisely.

Strategy D - Premium
Differentiate your business and maintain prices with quality girls, clean rooms, fresh towels, good location. charge a premium price which can be justified with premium services. Wear cute outfits.

Strategy E - Cheap and cheerful
Lower cost but clean location. Give those boilers an organised place to work.

Strategy F- Bundles and Loyalty cards
Make your pricing look super competitive by bundling services that are cheaper for you to provide while making our service look more complete. So instead of a 30 min 'service' which can easily be compared. You may offer 30 minute massage with one (low cost actual masseuse) girl, 30 minute service with another plus 30% off next visit. Maybe some body treatments or shaves suit some guys for which they will pay more if they think they will get a BJ from her after.

[CumShot]

And forgot to mention. I'll be getting a new punting number so I am not saved in any of the shop lists.

[Bed Wrecker]

When market regulation changes it is the new entrants who are more likely to adopt new models. Existing players will resist change and see no reason to change. They still have enough regular clients paying regular prices.

The pain of change is greater than the pain of staying the same. For example:

20 punters at 100$ = 2,000$ income

if the other shops are charging 80$ but the majority of customers don't know

Strategy A - Don't pass on any price/service change
2 lost customers
18 punters at 100$ = 1,800$

Strategy B - Pass on new pricing to everyone and keep everyone
20 punters at 60$ = 1,200$

You can see that you need to lose 40% of your customers before it makes sense to think about reviewing prices.

Strategy C - Selective pricing
Would be some way for shops to know if you are a new or old client. This we might see being done with shops having new 'advertised' numbers. Use the new number they know you are actively searching adverts, use legacy number and they know you are un-informed and will get the legacy rate.

Another consideration is that while the legislation has changed the cost base of the businesses hasn't. Owners still need to get volume of bookings. As long they get bookings then there is no need to change. Operators will need to renegotiate their landlord premium ie the premium that landlords are applying for turning a blind eye. That's one way for operators to start reducing the cost bases.

The same can be considered for the girls. Whereas the girls may have previously for some premium to do do illegal massage work, now that it is legal what incentive is there for them to accept less for what they can see as the same work, same premises? New girls will need to enter and will be happy at what is generally considered a very good income for the hours performed.

As I wrote in another thread, punters will need to let go of their regulars, let go of their familiar shops and seek out new operators and shops. Don't expect your current providers to reduce prices.

The market wont change unless YOU change your punting.



For shop owners here are some other strategies you can have for free from an internationally qualified business analyst. You are going to be following one of them anyway at least here is a selection so that you can choose wisely.

Strategy D - Premium
Differentiate your business and maintain prices with quality girls, clean rooms, fresh towels, good location. charge a premium price which can be justified with premium services. Wear cute outfits.

Strategy E - Cheap and cheerful
Lower cost but clean location. Give those boilers an organised place to work.

Strategy F- Bundles and Loyalty cards
Make your pricing look super competitive by bundling services that are cheaper for you to provide while making our service look more complete. So instead of a 30 min 'service' which can easily be compared. You may offer 30 minute massage with one (low cost actual masseuse) girl, 30 minute service with another plus 30% off next visit. Maybe some body treatments or shaves suit some guys for which they will pay more if they think they will get a BJ from her after.
Rule #1 - Know your audience.
You think anyone here gets the message? Or will follow through with your fantasy shop operation?
Open clearly with one point to draw in an audience.
Give the reader one thing he can take away without confusing him.
Be concise.

[CumShot]

Rule #1 - Know your audience.
You think anyone here gets the message? Or will follow through with your fantasy shop operation?
Open clearly with one point to draw in an audience.
Give the reader one thing he can take away without confusing him.
Be concise.

exactly, anyone who has read 6 pages of this topic will be in need of deeper understanding. I just try to help with my drivel. My helpful cumshot is here to help. It's in writing now, so watch how the market goes in the next year.