Navigating a Potential Sugar Setup...

[apokalypse]

I started seeing a single mom from different state I met on a dating site. We had a good weekend together where I visited her place and met her kids.
after I went home to my state, she then suggested that when I visit her again, I should stay with her instead of booking a hotel, and the money I'd save could help with her kids' expenses. I expected this type of conversation with money or something because seems desperate aka relationship.

She seems financially stretched, and i thought of edging towards transaction relation with her or like a sugar baby/sugar daddy dynamic, though it's not explicitly stated. I don't know, but it feels like she's into the relationship for financial reasons.

I'm attracted to her for the fun factor, not looking for a relationship. However, she keeps bringing up relationship stuff, as i feels she's very desperate and seemed a bit fishy. today she bring up the deal, the cost of the hotel would cover whatever days I'd sleep with her, but I'm not sure if I should ask her about this directly or tell her straight out.

I'm not interested in spending money aimlessly, but if it means more time with her in a fun context, I'm willing to consider it. Still, I'm cautious about setting expectations where my financial help is seen as a transaction for intimacy or time together.

I'm looking for advice from those who have experience with these scenarios or dating single moms under potentially transactional circumstances...should i run, hang around for fun or ask/tell her straight out?

[blitz]

How fast can you run?

[apokalypse]

How fast can you run?

is a run? i thought of hang around to fuck her for few times and run.

[11Bravo]

It's not money for sex, you're paying them to leave. Besides, do you really want to take advantage of someone who's obviously desperate? Up to you. But for me, I've (and she) always left kids out of it. Just not fair to them.

My advice: tell her straight out. I learned a long time ago to never promise or imply a future I couldn't/wouldn't deliver. But personally, I'd extract myself as soon as possible, if for no other reason than the kids.

[legitl]

This is a trap, you might as well use that money with a ML/WL is 100% NSA vs this which has a big chance of backfiring spectacularly.

[apokalypse]

This is a trap, you might as well use that money with a ML/WL is 100% NSA vs this which has a big chance of backfiring spectacularly.

can you expand more? she sound desperate but something else going on as first time talked to her expected this of asking money to happen already...

[apokalypse]

just spoke to her..she saying help her daughter with school fees like 150-200 per month for a year....i got no clue about school fees thing right now. be like taking care of her kids and saying with me she get another job work 7 days...thought of asking about sugarbaby or exchange for sex but not appropriate or bad.

[hornedbeast]

Is she a hot MILF?

[FangShoe]

Forget the easy pick up and set your sights on someone without any baggage.

[suka03]

she seems like desperately wanting a new husband or feels alone wanted to be accompany but then again you have to think about the kids. She is building the trust and care in you seeing if you have deep connections feelings. Nothing wrong if you serious about it, go for it but if you looking for fun i’d stay away unless it is comprised and consent.

[dewayne]

Meeting the kids straight away is doing my head in. I know a handful of single moms (platonic and otherwise) and meeting kids is something that's usually only done when they're pretty sure you're going to be around a bit. Not at all first date kind of thing.

It may not be a vote, but if it is, I vote it's a run

[schloong]

Just my 2 cents worth: this topic has been covered by quite a few members here several times over the years.

Some very good advice above (thanks @11Bravo & others) but please remember: it's a TRANSACTION, nothing more, nothing less. As soon as you get chucked in the deep end (eg. meeting the kids first up, etc) is a major red flag.

Move on mate as this will most likely end in tears on both sides...

[Double_Adapter]

She lives in a different state, she's single and horny AF, I say go for it - this is an ideal setup.
Punting rule No1: Never ever leave pussy on the table.
Punting rule No2: Don't catch the feels for this chick, all parties must agree it's strictly NSA with a pay-4-sex arrangement, also make sure she's squeaky clean and/or get yourself some doxy before you raw dog the chick.

Caveat emptor: If her kids are under age (and for their sake) it's probably best to keep it moving bro, it never ends well for the little buggers.

I've dabbled with a few urban civvies, and know a few pumas, cougars and jaguars (divorced and single) that use vabbing to get the dumb ass sugar daddies. PYT chicks don't need to go to these extremes - their beauty, age, body and pussy is a strong enough magnet to pull any cunt in (regardless of age or status).
Are you sure this single mum didn't pull a vab on you bro, it seems she's got you hook line and sinker?

[2000BahtLongTime]

Just pump and dump. Enjoy her while you can. No relationship, especially single mother's.

Otherwise you could be up for spending money supporting kids who ain't even yours.

[apokalypse]

thanks guy..just thought of her as casual sex or stress release needed when I'm in Melbourne...but seems not into sex part and keep saying she's need to work 7 days and need support her kids...so i just drop it and lesson learnt next time how to deal these chick for sex.

[bummer]

Just pump and dump. Enjoy her while you can. No relationship, especially single mother's.

Otherwise you could be up for spending money supporting kids who ain't even yours.

Going BB and there will probably be some of yours thrown is shortly !!

[bummer]

thanks guy..just thought of her as casual sex or stress release needed when I'm in Melbourne...but seems not into sex part and keep saying she's need to work 7 days and need support her kids...so i just drop it and lesson learnt next time how to deal these chick for sex.

If you see this woman again, do NOT go bareback.
She obviously knows enough about you to ensure that even any paid arrangement may lead to a permanent drain on your pocket.

[MindTheGap]

just spoke to her..she saying help her daughter with school fees like 150-200 per month for a year....i got no clue about school fees thing right now. be like taking care of her kids and saying with me she get another job work 7 days...thought of asking about sugarbaby or exchange for sex but not appropriate or bad.

Sounds complicated. Sugar ain’t supposed to be. If it hurts your head thinking about then don’t do it

[hornedbeast]

One last hump, it can't hurt

[apokalypse]

One last hump, it can't hurt

might do that..make some excuse sudden business trip stay over her place and sleep with her.

[Niceguy11]

Bro I got about 2 sentences in before the red flags started ringing. Please do not get involved with her. I know we are strangers on this forum but please cut it off now.

It might be hard but brother to brother, delete her number, block and run. There are plenty of woman in the world.

[Viktorius69]

Bro I got about 2 sentences in before the red flags started ringing. Please do not get involved with her. I know we are strangers on this forum but please cut it off now.

It might be hard but brother to brother, delete her number, block and run. There are plenty of woman in the world.

It's funny how consistent the message is across the board. No debate

[Niceguy11]

Yep. Just not worth it.

[2000BahtLongTime]

Not worth the 18 years or more of Child support you will be paying if she claims you got her pregnant

[11Bravo]

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[11Bravo]

Not worth the 18 years or more of Child support you will be paying if she claims you got her pregnant

Claims of sexual assault ... yes, before, it was consensual, but last night... Sure, you can probably beat it EVENTUALLY, but is it really worth the hassle/risk? Stressing anyone who is already under stress... when that pressure blows, you don't want to be anywhere near. The cliched "straw that broke the camel's back". Especially when she realizes you were just gaming her. I'd suggest applying the energy elsewhere...

When I take the high road, I always feel better.

[apokalypse]

i asked in those typical forums but they unlike this forums into sex stuff but upon from advices from you guys...i will deleted her as already move on with new MILF.

wondering you guys ever have sexual relationship aka sugarbaby or exchange for payments with non sex worker?

[11Bravo]

wondering you guys ever have sexual relationship aka sugarbaby or exchange for payments with non sex worker?

You might be her only client, but if you're paying her for sex, she's a sex worker. (Semantics not my strong suit).

[Double_Adapter]

1. If a bloke pays for sex then technically he's a whoremonger or punter
2. If a chick provides sex in exchange for money then technically she's a prostitute (includes escorts, sugar babies, ML, WL etc)
3. If a bloke provides handyman, plumbing/electrical ad-hoc maintenance repairs and the chick pays with sex then technically this is bartering aka a transactional love job
4. If a bloke does everything around the home including handyman, plumbing/electrical ad-hoc maintenance repairs and the chick doesn't pay with sex or money then technically this is marriage

I've been known to dabble with option 3 and civvie chicks prefer option 3 because it reduces/eliminates the psyche and stigma associated with prostitution.

Ultimately we are all prostitutes, we sell our bodies, health, skills, talents, expertise, time etc for a fistfull of pineapples...and governments are the biggest pimps in society.

[personaa]

I would avoid. Not looking for headache or trouble. A friend was dating a girl for two years and they broke up. Yesterday he called me and saying he received a 8K invoice from centrelink out of the blue!

Seems the girl was extracting money from government and later was asked to payback. She claimed she had gone through a mental breakdown because of her ex, probably ( I assume) she went through hearings and the court couldn't get through to her partner so in his absence he was ordered to cover the penalty.

Not really sure if a payback order can be transferred to someone else but overall it's just headache.I advised him to get a lawyer and look into the case for further details.

Lesson is, stay out of trouble. It might be sweet for a while but later you may get the bill in one way or the other.

[FangShoe]

Don’t be a simp.

Just punt at good shops and leave it at that.

[Niceguy11]

1. If a bloke pays for sex then technically he's a whoremonger or punter
2. If a chick provides sex in exchange for money then technically she's a prostitute (includes escorts, sugar babies, ML, WL etc)
3. If a bloke provides handyman, plumbing/electrical ad-hoc maintenance repairs and the chick pays with sex then technically this is bartering aka a transactional love job
4. If a bloke does everything around the home including handyman, plumbing/electrical ad-hoc maintenance repairs and the chick doesn't pay with sex or money then technically this is marriage

I've been known to dabble with option 3 and civvie chicks prefer option 3 because it reduces/eliminates the psyche and stigma associated with prostitution.

Ultimately we are all prostitutes, we sell our bodies, health, skills, talents, expertise, time etc for a fistfull of pineapples...and governments are the biggest pimps in society.

Exactly. I agree. In my view, WL's are no different to punters. We are all in the same boat.

But yeah, I agree that we are all prostitutes in some form for sure.

[Double_Adapter]

Exactly. I agree. In my view, WL's are no different to punters. We are all in the same boat.

But yeah, I agree that we are all prostitutes in some form for sure.

Right on bro! We're all prostitutes; some high class prostitutes wear suits and ties, some wear hi-viz shirts, shorts and boots, and some wear uniforms. Some older prostitutes even teach the younger prostitutes how to be good and successful. Workplaces are the brothels, and governments are the pimps and mafias that control them.
Simply put;
- They tax what you earn
- They tax what you buy
- They tax what you own
And to keep the prostitutes addicted and enslaved they sell them the great Aussie dream 'the career, the house in suburbia with white picket fences, the family unit with 2.1 kids, the family car and the annual holiday'
Its fucked, but it is what it is.

Addendum:
5. If a chick pays a bloke for sex, then technically he's a gigolo.

Btw: Any gigolos in this forum?

[Niceguy11]

Right on bro! We're all prostitutes; some high class prostitutes wear suits and ties, some wear hi-viz shirts, shorts and boots, and some wear uniforms. Some older prostitutes even teach the younger prostitutes how to be good and successful. Workplaces are the brothels, and governments are the pimps and mafias that control them.
Simply put;
- They tax what you earn
- They tax what you buy
- They tax what you own
And to keep the prostitutes addicted and enslaved they sell them the great Aussie dream 'the career, the house in suburbia with white picket fences, the family unit with 2.1 kids, the family car and the annual holiday'
Its fucked, but it is what it is.

Addendum:
5. If a chick pays a bloke for sex, then technically he's a gigolo.

Btw: Any gigolos in this forum?

Exactly. Its a really messed up world out there. Going for a punt is all good and I do have a good time but I just can't shake off the idea about the realities of the punting world. The way J girls are managed working overseas is really messed up. I can't go into detail but yeah, I know the real reason why some of them work weeks and weeks with no breaks.

[suka03]

Play it safe. Don’t take the risk that who knows one day things will comeback to you in horror way. You have to remember she has kids and looking for someone serious, by your relationship it seems she is trying to build that trust in you. I know it sounds fun and fantasy but the reality is too dangerous she may anything to get you.

Just go to a shop or EB safer. Not worth the risk.

[DrDownload]

Wow, interesting story. Sounds like she's trying to rope you into a defacto relationship. Which after 6 months can have the same legal strings attached as marriage. Then she can take half of everything you have! :fire:

[personaa]

"to keep the prostitutes addicted and enslaved they sell them the great Aussie dream 'the career, the house in suburbia with white picket fences, the family unit with 2.1 kids, the family car and the annual holiday' [/QUOTE]

That's the opening of 'Blue Velvet' (masterpiece of great late David Lynch). Under that nice and green lawn inside the picket fences, everything is rotten.

[Putter]

thanks guy..just thought of her as casual sex or stress release needed when I'm in Melbourne...but seems not into sex part and keep saying she's need to work 7 days and need support her kids...so i just drop it and lesson learnt next time how to deal these chick for sex.

I'm a bit confused. The original post suggested you had a great time with a fun milf. However you are now stating that she's not into sex? If she's not, then definitely move on.

Nothing wrong with having sexual encounters with young sexy milf. Have had a few encounters around the world. Have been seeing one over the past year. Once a month I organise a hotel and we spend the day together. Her ex has the kid on that day and I do provide some sugar. Started as a 3 hour meet and it's now more like 8 hours.

The first rule is that it is never at their place especially if you are not after a relationship. I've heard of people being blackmailed with videos taken during the meets. As others have commented, there is also the assault allegations that can be made against you with kids as witnesses.

Second rule is to never invite them to your private place. Reduces the complications.

Third rule is never CIP lol!

[apokalypse]

Play it safe. Don’t take the risk that who knows one day things will comeback to you in horror way. You have to remember she has kids and looking for someone serious, by your relationship it seems she is trying to build that trust in you. I know it sounds fun and fantasy but the reality is too dangerous she may anything to get you.

Just go to a shop or EB safer. Not worth the risk.

i feel exactly this...she want sex thing later on once know about me abit more but seems more focus on serious relationship and need a man support her kids...

about a week now i heard so many stories other form of prostitute...business man doing estate buying house/car and a shop for some girl and upon hearing these traders aswell already have wife and fuck around with heavy price tag on it.

There's a Mama-san that i want to fuck at least once in life time for heavy price tag but don't know why not on table but i heard a person working at the place saying she fuck around alot being like sugarbaby for a divorce business owner guy paying her alot as main while few guys around.

[MindTheGap]

She wants sex later on when she knows you?

But happy to take your money in the meantime?

Just block and move on

[WMAF]

She wants sex later on when she knows you?

But happy to take your money in the meantime?

Just block and move on

Sounds just like normal dating