E&B Shock: What Happened to Reality?

[Paison]

Hadn’t been punting for months due to being overseas and went on E&B, had a scroll today and… wow.

Inflation’s up, everyone’s feeling it, and prices are still going up? 😂

Kinda feels like we skipped the “adjust to reality” part completely.

I’m no economist, but charging more when punters have less cash is a bold play.

Anyone else noticing this or just me?

[Messo]

Unfortunately its happening everywhere. Everyone has bills to pay.

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[elitistmofo]

Hadn’t been punting for months due to being overseas and went on E&B, had a scroll today and… wow.

Inflation’s up, everyone’s feeling it, and prices are still going up? 😂

Kinda feels like we skipped the “adjust to reality” part completely.

I’m no economist, but charging more when punters have less cash is a bold play.

Anyone else noticing this or just me?

Yep, just lowering my standards. I refuse to pay $400+ for half an hour.

[Messo]

Unfortunately it's happening everywhere. Everyone has bills to pay.

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[Scoot007]

Sooner then later.. when the girls realise a nd some of their regular customers start too see them not very often then will,be thinking twice bout the rates there charging

[massage addict]

Unfortunately it's happening everywhere. Everyone has bills to pay.

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Yes they do, however these services are the first to be cut back by punters. When they up their rates they will be earning less as theyvare oeicinf them selfes out if the market. That is exactly what massage girls have done over the last 18 months. $70 for a nhj but no touching! $100 for a nhj with b2b that consists of 30 secs of barley rubbing their titts on you! Get the fuck out of here!

[andrewv]

Discretionary spending is being slashed everywhere, thanks to interest rates going up, and fuel prices too.
The "service providers" are not very bright so they raise their prices to make up for the drop in number of customers/punters... and fail.

[PanZhanle]

Hadn’t been punting for months due to being overseas and went on E&B, had a scroll today and… wow.

Inflation’s up, everyone’s feeling it, and prices are still going up? 😂

Kinda feels like we skipped the “adjust to reality” part completely.

I’m no economist, but charging out east more when punters have less cash is a bold play.

Anyone else noticing this or just me?

current events in west asia has global implications mate . Much of. our oil comes from Singapore and other SEA countries but they get the oil from west asia.

If you think it's bad now wait till 4-6 months from today; urea supply. which is important for making fertilizer is down alot. Farmers can't grow as much. Food will be more scarce, prices go up. Won't probably be as bad in Australia but poorer global south countries are gonna be hit hard.

Moreover this is not even mentioning the short supply of helium from Qatar for high tech products now. Or the looming disaster facing the jap economy at the moment.

This will have repercussions everywhere; potentially global recession.

[NC3]

Say No [avoid or leave the session] to all these greedy people [wl - agents] and the rates soon will go down.

[Hedonisticfun]

Say No [avoid or leave the session] to all these greedy people [wl - agents] and the rates soon will go down.

Haha , yeah , stop buying alcohol , groceries , fuel and see how that works

[Hedonisticfun]

Yep, just lowering my standards. I refuse to pay $400+ for half an hour.

Interesting to see the outcome .. abstinence over submitting . The days of when I was an apprentice and paid $20 in a brothel are long gone , adjust to the current times

[Assandlegs]

Haha , yeah , stop buying alcohol , groceries , fuel and see how that worksI have... now I have lost 13 kg, walk/run 10km a day and have cut my caloric intake by 50%. Filled the car 3 weeks ago but never use it.

Should have done this earlier, I feel great!
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[Messo]

I think a lot of blokes here and on other sites are delusional and need a reality check over shop prices and the cost of extras. Costs in running businesses always go up and now they're out of control, but you expect the shop price and the cost of extras to stay the same. How long have 30 min massage sessions been $50 for? A lot of MLs don't even get any of that money because the owners keep it all to cover their costs. If the ML gets four customers for the day she has spent 12 hours in the shop and got no money. If she's lucky and each customer asks for a HJ, that's $200 for 12 hours. I can tell you that not every customer is asking for extras now with the cost of living crisis WE are all dealing with. Yes, there are MLs out there making a killing, but the majority aren't, and not all MLs are illegal, earning tax free dollars.


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[Veets]

It’s crazy and comical I reached out to a touring provider last week and respectfully declined due to their rates.
And for the 1st time ever got a message days later saying “last night in town happy to meet your needs” no response from myself as I saved a lot of coin dropping $100 on a good old run n tug which satisfied the craving

[Messo]

Remember this. We as a society turned out backs on the local grocer and shopped in Coles and Woolworths for the cheap prices. In a very short time the local grocer has gone and we are now paying ridiculous prices at Coles and Woolworths because they no longer have any competition. If we don't support the small increases now we will be paying much more when there is no longer an abundance of choice.

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[Paison]

Remember this. We as a society turned out backs on the local grocer and shopped in Coles and Woolworths for the cheap prices. In a very short time the local grocer has gone and we are now paying ridiculous prices at Coles and Woolworths because they no longer have any competition. If we don't support the small increases now we will be paying much more when there is no longer an abundance of choice
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If anything, the lesson from Coles and Woolworths is: compete on value when times are tough or get wiped out - not “charge more and hope people feel obligated to support you

The big operators like Ginza and No.5 adjust prices slightly because they actually understand how fragile demand is right now.

Then you’ve got MLs and independents cranking rates up 30–50% like theyve suddenly become luxury brands overnight.
If you’re already struggling for bookings, pricing yourself even higher is just delusional.

[Messo]

If anything, the lesson from Coles and Woolworths is: compete on value when times are tough or get wiped out - not “charge more and hope people feel obligated to support you

The big operators like Ginza and No.5 adjust prices slightly because they actually understand how fragile demand is right now.

Then you’ve got MLs and independents cranking rates up 30–50% like theyve suddenly become luxury brands overnight.
If you’re already struggling for bookings, pricing yourself even higher is just delusional.C & W are keeping their prices high because they no longer have competition. Use it or lose it. Accept reasonable increases from the small players so they can survive or the likes of the big providers will do exactly what C & W are doing now and in three years time we will be paying double.

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[Messo]

Ginza & No 5 are not lowering their prices because they know how tough it is for us poor punters. They are following the C & W playbook. Price out the competition until they are gone and then jack up the prices to max their profits.

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[crum]

I think a lot of blokes here and on other sites are delusional and need a reality check over shop prices and the cost of extras. Costs in running businesses always go up and now they're out of control, but you expect the shop price and the cost of extras to stay the same. How long have 30 min massage sessions been $50 for? A lot of MLs don't even get any of that money because the owners keep it all to cover their costs. If the ML gets four customers for the day she has spent 12 hours in the shop and got no money. If she's lucky and each customer asks for a HJ, that's $200 for 12 hours. I can tell you that not every customer is asking for extras now with the cost of living crisis WE are all dealing with. Yes, there are MLs out there making a killing, but the majority aren't, and not all MLs are illegal, earning tax free dollars.


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I'd beg to differ (about the ML's earning part). A girl's standard shift is 10 hours. If she stays there and does 4x 30min jobs, she would get $10-$30 from the shop with handjob almost a guarantee (depending on the shop), you're only visiting these shops and not doing extras if you're a timewasting tool, if you want massage session with no extras or can't afford extras, go to a remedial shop. The assumption is that girls get handjob minimum every job they take in these types of shops - standard price in shops nowadays for take off handjob is $80 minimum.

$10x4 + ($80x4) - on a slow day they're doing $400 tax free in cash. That's significantly more than the standard punter. If they take 8x jobs a day and even 3x punters do FS @ $150 and the rest do hand jobs, they've clocked $1k.

The average ML earns more than the average aussie on a SLOW day - I can guarantee you from the regulars I see, some of them are doing $20k-$40k per month and are still suckering guys into "taking care" of them, all the while they're earning substantially more than most aussies.

Trust your brain and not your balls guys.

[Messo]

I'd beg to differ (about the ML's earning part). A girl's standard shift is 10 hours. If she stays there and does 4x 30min jobs, she would get $10-$30 from the shop with handjob almost a guarantee (depending on the shop), you're only visiting these shops and not doing extras if you're a timewasting tool, if you want massage session with no extras or can't afford extras, go to a remedial shop. The assumption is that girls get handjob minimum every job they take in these types of shops - standard price in shops nowadays for take off handjob is $80 minimum.

$10x4 + ($80x4) - on a slow day they're doing $400 tax free in cash. That's significantly more than the standard punter. If they take 8x jobs a day and even 3x punters do FS @ $150 and the rest do hand jobs, they've clocked $1k.

The average ML earns more than the average aussie on a SLOW day - I can guarantee you from the regulars I see, some of them are doing $20k-$40k per month and are still suckering guys into "taking care" of them, all the while they're earning substantially more than most aussies.

Trust your brain and not your balls guys.Yes, some MLs do make a lot of money, but the girls I know are telling me that more shop owners are refusing to increase their prices so that punters will keep coming to their shops, but at the same time refuse to give the girls any money for the 30 min session to cover the cost of running the shop. One shop owner that I know started demanding that she gets some of the extras money the girls earn. This greed is not a one off, it is starting to happen at other shops as well.

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[Mr Fugly]

Sorry for my lack of sympathy for the WL/ML plight... I wish I could earn $2k a day and have simps crying over my poor plight of only earning $300 an hour.. fuck me, I wish I could get $300 a day for working my ass off out in the real world let alone whatever dodgy tax free dollars they are managing to grab for themselves!

[Messo]

Sorry for my lack of sympathy for the WL/ML plight... I wish I could earn $2k a day and have simps crying over my poor plight of only earning $300 an hour.. fuck me, I wish I could get $300 a day for working my ass off out in the real world let alone whatever dodgy tax free dollars they are managing to grab for themselves!So you seriously believe that everyone of them is earning that type of money. FFS!

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[RogerWood]

Ginza & No 5 are not lowering their prices because they know how tough it is for us poor punters. They are following the C & W playbook. Price out the competition until they are gone and then jack up the prices to max their profits.

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I sort of feel this is what has happened with anglo privates. They use to be a lot cheaper not that long ago, but the cheap Asian ladies and bareback services have led to many anglo leaving the business or charging higher rates. It feels to me like the Asian providers are the colesworth of the hooker world and we will be left high and dry as a response. I've been quite suspicious of this scenario for a while and think u are on the money.

[local]

Sorry for my lack of sympathy for the WL/ML plight... I wish I could earn $2k a day and have simps crying over my poor plight of only earning $300 an hour.. fuck me, I wish I could get $300 a day for working my ass off out in the real world let alone whatever dodgy tax free dollars they are managing to grab for themselves!

Most ML's in RnT's generally look to make around $3k per week.

Some especially over a long weekend (such as easter) bitch because they generally go down to $4k (total) over the 2 weeks before and after.

These are ML's not WL's.

As with any previous economic downturn they should expect business to fall off, we are again at a Paul Keating moment, but no one is again saying it (loud enough yet). (1990's if I remember correctly).

[NC3]

Haha , yeah , stop buying alcohol , groceries , fuel and see how that works

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your comment is so irrelevant. we talk about a very specific 'thing', do you compare overpay a ml or wl with food etc.? When the penis controls the brain life is gone.

[massage addict]

I'd beg to differ (about the ML's earning part). A girl's standard shift is 10 hours. If she stays there and does 4x 30min jobs, she would get $10-$30 from the shop with handjob almost a guarantee (depending on the shop), you're only visiting these shops and not doing extras if you're a timewasting tool, if you want massage session with no extras or can't afford extras, go to a remedial shop. The assumption is that girls get handjob minimum every job they take in these types of shops - standard price in shops nowadays for take off handjob is $80 minimum.

$10x4 + ($80x4) - on a slow day they're doing $400 tax free in cash. That's significantly more than the standard punter. If they take 8x jobs a day and even 3x punters do FS @ $150 and the rest do hand jobs, they've clocked $1k.

The average ML earns more than the average aussie on a SLOW day - I can guarantee you from the regulars I see, some of them are doing $20k-$40k per month and are still suckering guys into "taking care" of them, all the while they're earning substantially more than most aussies.

Trust your brain and not your balls guys.

mate your way off. a NHJ is no more than $50 its these girls asking for the $80 that will be earning less. 8 jobs at $50 min is $400 tax free. Now if they ask $80 and 3 say no thats still $400 only at least 2 to 3 of the punters that couldn't say no will not go back or at the very least not go back in the next few weeks. So now next week they are only earning $160 a day. This is not the type of business that can keep up with the "standard" inflation rate. time will tell and show the girls their mistakes, only i fear most of them are not mart enough to understand this.

[Sinkie]

Curious if they pay any tax? Anyone knows?

[11Bravo]

IME:

1. They're businesswomen and are very attuned to the "market".
2. Like you, they have "costs". Unlike you, they're supporting 2 households (OK, an ack to the divorced paying child/wife support).
3. A few are VERY successful, but there are many "rank & file".
4. Rather than reduce prices, they'll keep current prices and have less take home pay due to fewer customers, as long as it is above their "floor".
5. Advantage of regulars, they tend to keep YOUR price the same.

I'm not worried; I know how to say "no thank you" (in multiple languages).

[justincase]

HadnÂ’t been punting for months due to being overseas and went on E&B, had a scroll today andÂ… wow.

InflationÂ’s up, everyoneÂ’s feeling it, and prices are still going up? 😂

Kinda feels like we skipped the “adjust to reality” part completely.

IÂ’m no economist, but charging more when punters have less cash is a bold play.

Anyone else noticing this or just me?

I’ve only punted maybe three out of E&B as a large majority of them I don’t find appealing.

You have women who are 6’s dreaming their 9’s and thinking they can charge accordingly. Do they ever look in a mirror and if so, what do they see?

You can put that down to social media and it’s self supportive self perpetuating societal destructive network of average to below average women backing each other up.

Throw in a few filters and they all look a 9 online…

[Messo]

Curious if they pay any tax? Anyone knows?Some yes, some no, some legal, some not.

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[Ned]

Regular i was getting a bit bored of so hadnt seen for a few weeks messaged a bit desperate for money and would do the extras for free just to do a session. Times are tough on both sides

[Veets]

I’ve only punted maybe three out of E&B as a large majority of them I don’t find appealing.

You have women who are 6’s dreaming their 9’s and thinking they can charge accordingly. Do they ever look in a mirror and if so, what do they see?

You can put that down to social media and it’s self supportive self perpetuating societal destructive network of average to below average women backing each other up.

Throw in a few filters and they all look a 9 online…

I agree 100%
Girls used to put up their prices due to how popular they had become
Nowadays a newbie will advertise herself at the same cost of an already established and hotter provider.
It’s been years since I have seen a private and I’m just glad the ones I did want to see I asked all the questions 1st to avoid disappointment

[GoldfishMan]

FMD, this thread is so depressing. Time to breakout the violin...

[jasonaulife]

yeah noticed the same tbh
prices up but quality doesn’t always match anymore
feels like you gotta search more now to find someone actually worth it