poor management - Aika and Kiko moodswing

[negi]

Feel very pissed-off today and need to vent.

I really hope the owner of Marrickville5 (i think also owned 42 Gladesville and Rockdale RedRoyale) read this.
I met the owners twice when visited Marrickville and Gladesville shop, the owner is really attentive and really want to hear feedback, but alas...the owner is not in the shop all the time hence unable to see what happen on operation on the shop.

Marrickville has become another FS-shop Henhouse, which the FS girls actually run the shop.

I booked 2 girls at M5 for 2 hours, 1 hr each. I saw the girls numerous time in Ginza before and 1 of girl in M5 after she move shop. I always gentle and polite with the girls and the girls never complain/upset/unhappy even the slightest everytime i have session with them as I always respect and gentle.

Today I come earlier, the M5 Korean lady receptionist (not Christmas) just ordered me to wait in the room and slam the door close (typicall Romeo/Juliet K-massage receptionist treament if you know what i mean..abrupt, lacking of customer service politeness 101). She told me that Kiko was sick so.. i have to wait for 1 hour for Aika (my next booking)...I see ...hmm.... okay...bit upset coz this is last minute cancellation , but okay since i am there that's okay...i just wait for Aika....
Then the door closed again...waited for almost 20 minutes...then the big Korean receptionist (who is actually more polite than the rude lady receptionist earlier) told me....sorry....Aika and Kiko don't want to see you....they say no ex-Ginza customer....., I felt really pissed off....If i am rude and bad customer and rough to the girls that's fine, i never force anything on the girls ...This is just another example of bad management of FS shop being run-over by the girls with their mood-swings...., wasting customer time..well in this case at least I don't waste my money.

So I just going to stick to Ginza from now on

Is so sad that the owners who just spent soo much money acquiring these 3 shops are losing the customers just because they don't have a good monitoring of the shop operation and let their business/investment goes down-hills ....

[illidanstormrage]

Honestly mate they are doing you a favour. Why would you want to see a girl who you found out didn't like you or didn't want to see you for whatever reason?

Who cares what they look like.. you are paying money to get a room with them and if you knew they didn't like you how can you possibly enjoy it.

You probably didn't do anything wrong but I don't see how the management can force the girls to see you.

Definitely though vote with your feet. Shops wasting your time is unacceptable and I wouldn't give them a second chance let alone a third one.

[negi]

Honestly mate they are doing you a favour. Why would you want to see a girl who you found out didn't like you or didn't want to see you for whatever reason?

Who cares what they look like.. you are paying money to get a room with them and if you knew they didn't like you how can you possibly enjoy it.

You probably didn't do anything wrong but I don't see how the management can force the girls to see you.

Definitely though vote with your feet. Shops wasting your time is unacceptable and I wouldn't give them a second chance let alone a third one.


I am not saying or implying that management should force the girl, but this is brothel business, the girls who work there should be the clear about the job spec. Turning-away customer just because of moodswing, would customer visit the shop again after bad experience?.

Put it this way, everytime if visit Ginza 95% all the time i felt satisfied/happy.

Running a brothel is not for amateur, good management is needed for it to be successful. I just pity the owner of Marrickville, Gladesville and RedRoyale...., when i met them they are genuinely enthusiastic about improving the shop and running a successful business......alas ...the girls who works there just ruining the business....

[wilisno]

Most of the time when a girl avoids seeing ex-customers from another shop is out of respect to her previous boss, she doesn't want to be seen to be stealing customers from her previous shop, not necessarily that she doesn't like you ...

[sukeong]

That's very interesting. never knew that girls can be so loyal to old shops.. Funny enough I once saw a moody jp girl (aiko? ) at rock Dale ages ago, who said she used to work at ginza. Asked her why she had left, she said she was let go and in her own words, cuz she was 'shit'. I was genuinely amused with her answer. Very frank and easy to talk to girl.


The male Recep at the shop is very nice, and just like the OP described about the owner, keen to know feedback.

[Max Impact]

That's very interesting. never knew that girls can be so loyal to old shops.. Funny enough I once saw a moody jp girl (aiko? ) at rock Dale ages ago, who said she used to work at ginza. Asked her why she was left, she said she was let go and in her own words, cuz she was 'shit'. I was genuinely amused with her answer. Very frank and easy to talk to girl.


The male Recep at the shop is very nice, and just like the OP described about the owner, keen to know feedback.

Aiko is not shit at all. She just is a fucken strong girl. So sexy!

[illidanstormrage]

Is Aiko or Kiko. Megumi @ Ginza?

[tony.bost]

thats a shame OP ... but hey i agree , why wait .. there are plenty i mean plenty of fish in the sea .. its their loss not yours ..happy punting bro

[negi]

no, i dont chase them, they are not goddess

[negi]

no is Lily and Nicole at Gz

[Max Impact]

no is Lily and Nicole at Gz

If you tell Aiko you are from the G shop she will give you shit service.

[NaughtyBoy13]

Well, I've seen both of them and no problems :) Ginza is my Favourite Shop too !

[negi]

Well, I've seen both of them and no problems :) Ginza is my Favourite Shop too !

yes, I have fully satisfied fucking these 2 girls in Ginza before, if they don't want business from good polite customer like me is totally their lost.

One thing that i am totally befumbled about is, these shop spending so much effort advertising and trying to attract good customers..., yet they don't want to put any effort in maintaining good customers?? improve the staff they employed as reception for example, if i were the boss i would definitely have sacked the rude K receptionist lady (not Christmas, the other one). When I was there that day, after knowing my booking of Kiko and Aika is cancelled, I politely asked to be shown other girl, in particular Diamond girl (i find those Standard/Premium deal is just totally waste of money, you get more satisfaction wank watching porn, unless if the girl is exceptionally beautiful and tall and not too much surgery/more natural beauty). The K-lady just giving me so many excuses not showing the girls, acting dumb not understand english, say customer will extend....WILLL extend..., wtf...., if they customer does extend let it be ..i do understand, but it is not sure yet...right? she just doesn't want to show! So..there it goes! that's why i totally pissed that day, M5 poor staff and moodswing FS girls just totally wasted my time....
The advertisement on WeChat/syd99 of new girls are just to lure customers in..., when it times to show the girls...., sooooooo muuuuuch hassle and sooo much rudeness that customers often have to bear just to see the girls! at the end often a trip to the shop are just waste of time! or if customer cannot control the urge, we just ended up spending on the unpopular girl that you have not planned to see and get disappointed at the end.

No more M5!!

[eye_eye_eye]

yes, I have fully satisfied fucking these 2 girls in Ginza before, if they don't want business from good polite customer like me is totally their lost.

One thing that i am totally befumbled about is, these shop spending so much effort advertising and trying to attract good customers..., yet they don't want to put any effort in maintaining good customers?? improve the staff they employed as reception for example
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No more M5!!

I absolutely agree. I was planning on visiting one Saturday a few weeks back and as their website is rubbish and gives no info I rang them up.

I asked a few civilised questions, but all the stupid girl would say was ' You come in and see girls' and refused to give me any info, she obviously just wanted to get rid of me as quickly as possible. I persisted and asked about the multi tiered pricing and all she would say was 'Extra service' and again refused to elaborate.

I hung up and have not been back since. I'm not going to spend money at places with such crap customer service.

[Marrickvill_5]

I will talk about this with weekend receptionist.. Sorry about all those inconvenience...

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but we can't do anything if they just don't come up or late. or If they say do not want to see particular type of customer.
but again, sorry... about bad experience here :(

[negi]

I will talk about this with weekend receptionist.. Sorry about all those inconvenience...


but we can't do anything if they just don't come up or late. or If they say do not want to see particular type of customer.
but again, sorry... about bad experience here :(

Apology accepted, happy to see that owner is willing to listen to customers' feedback.
I am keen to check on the new Diamond girl and repeat on some of good Diamond girls, but please improve on Staff/Receptionist, customers don't want to be treated like shit, especially when we were polite and not causing any trouble.

[cuteguy]

Honestly mate they are doing you a favour. Why would you want to see a girl who you found out didn't like you or didn't want to see you for whatever reason?

Who cares what they look like.. you are paying money to get a room with them and if you knew they didn't like you how can you possibly enjoy it.

You probably didn't do anything wrong but I don't see how the management can force the girls to see you.

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The main issue here is whether the girls should have seen the customer after he made a booking with the shop. I wonder what happened to respecting the rights of the girls and whether they have any say in refusing a customer that they choose not to see.

In a free society like Australia, these girls have every right not to see every customer that walks in. They are not sex slaves locked in a room awaiting the customer to enter their assigned room (it reminds me of a scene in the movie taken 1 where the girls are in a storage container and the guys pay to see a girl who has no opportunity to refuse the guy that enters her make shift room). They shouldn’t be forced to see everyone just because a customer is paying to have a sexual encounter with them. Just because a customer makes a booking with the boss of the shop to see a girl doesn't mean that she is compelled to follow through with the booking without sighting the customer prior to the actual meeting. It’s like a buying a second hand car. Would you purchase one if you hadn’t seen it or taken it out for a test drive? I bet you wouldn’t and so does the same reasoning apply here. In addition, if a girl is forced to see a customer that she had preferred not to see, would it have been better that the meeting not take place in the first place?

As for Kiki and Aika, they have a choice to see who they like at Marrickville. Both girls don't discriminate against customers based on race (such as seeing Asian only or not seeing particular nationalities). If their wish is not to see certain Ginza customers for whatever reasons, let it be and respect their wishes. Don't blame the shop for bad management.

Brother Negi stated that he had seen both girls on numerous occasions while they worked at Ginza. It appears he expected the same arrangement at Marrickville. Well, each shop is different and not every shop is identical to Ginza in the way it runs its business and how the girls should work. Many ex-Ginza girls have stated that they prefer to work at Marrickville, Rockdale or Gladesville because they have the right to choose who they want to see which doesn't appear to be available at Ginza. This was particularly the case when bookings were locked in for girls and they couldn’t back out even if she did not want to see a particular customer.

I agree with Max Impact regarding Aiko. This girl wasn’t submissive and her English skills were very good unlike some girls at Ginza. She didn't mind working at Rockdale or Marrickville because she was given respect by the management. That is, she had a right to choose customers and not be forced to see those customers that she didn't want to see or when she fell ill.

As for the comment that “Most of the time when a girl avoids seeing ex-customers from another shop is out of respect to her previous boss, she doesn't want to be seen to be stealing customers from her previous shop, not necessarily that she doesn't like you ...” where did this come from? Why not ask the ex-Ginza girls and they will explain the main reason why they have taken such action. It has little to do with loyalty to a previous shop.

In relation to wasting the customer's time, the Marrickville shop may have handed this better by informing the customer immediately that Kiko was not available rather than letting him wait only to find out later that Kiko and Aika were not able to see him for personal reasons.

Overall, if Brother Negi’s expectation was that the management at Marrickville should force a girl to see him because he is accustomed to seeing Ginza girls not refusing him when he makes a booking then he made a wrong assumption about non Ginza girls. If he prefers the way Ginza runs its business, so let it be and stick with Ginza but don’t go complaining about the way another shop runs its business in relation to their girls. As they say, there's plenty of fish (girls) in the sea (shops).:smile:

[Nejums]

Sorry mate, but just by the sheer bitterness in your posts I can get a good sense of what kind of person you are. Taking everything you've said with a few tablespoons of salt.

[NaughtyBoy13]

Still hot? :) Time to let it pass, mate. I have tried Kiko and Aika recently. And I understand they just do sex for work. And they are not really into GFE like Ginza or 5Stars City. They want to have their own freedom. So we should respect them.

Anyway, booking at normal shops, most of the time people don't show up with their booking. Or booking deal is between Customers and Receptionist only. But do it or not depends on girls.

[luvmica]

In a free society like Australia, these girls have every right not to see every customer that walks in. They are not sex slaves locked in a room awaiting the customer to enter their assigned room (it reminds me of a scene in the movie taken 1 where the girls are in a storage container and the guys pay to see a girl who has no opportunity to refuse the guy that enters her make shift room). They shouldn’t be forced to see everyone just because a customer is paying to have a sexual encounter with them. Just because a customer makes a booking with the boss of the shop to see a girl doesn't mean that she is compelled to follow through with the booking without sighting the customer prior to the actual meeting. It’s like a buying a second hand car. Would you purchase one if you hadn’t seen it or taken it out for a test drive? I bet you wouldn’t and so does the same reasoning apply here. In addition, if a girl is forced to see a customer that she had preferred not to see, would it have been better that the meeting not take place in the first place?


are you kidding?? what you said above is full of bullshit. You are relating customers to a 2nd hand car which a WL is trying to buy..lol. Should not it be actually the other way? In this industry, customers check out the WLs and make the decision whether to take her or not. why don't the shop do some effort to advertise precisely if the WLs want to make decision on who they want to see rather than taking bookings and wasting the customers time. What do you think about consumers rights in Australia?
I also had similar experience as OP from Gladesville shop. I think this is how these shops want to operate. I have decided not to visit these shops again.
Anyway, I strongly believe brother negi has full rights to share on his experiences whether it is good or bad. It helps the punters to know what to expect. That is what this forum is about.

[dcsss]

Most of the time when a girl avoids seeing ex-customers from another shop is out of respect to her previous boss, she doesn't want to be seen to be stealing customers from her previous shop, not necessarily that she doesn't like you ...

don't think it can categorize as stealing customer. i think it is normal to following a good service provider.

let get another example such as gp or dentist. your regular gp or dentist move to other practice, are you going to continue seeing them or you change to another gp/dentist? i will continue seeing them because i dont want to explain everything again from the beginning.

i think it same with ml/wl. if i happy with their level of service, i would stick with them rather than try new one and get dissapointed.

just my 2cent.......

[AHLUNGOR]

don't think it can categorize as stealing customer. i think it is normal to following a good service provider.

let get another example such as gp or dentist. your regular gp or dentist move to other practice, are you going to continue seeing them or you change to another gp/dentist? i will continue seeing them because i dont want to explain everything again from the beginning.

i think it same with ml/wl. if i happy with their level of service, i would stick with them rather than try new one and get dissapointed.

just my 2cent.......

Same here!

If I have a favourite ml , I will follow her where ever she works ! If logistically possible !

Mia now at 368 Pennant Hills Road will be a bridge too far !

Jessica, Rebecca, Coco and Mimi all @ Burwood are all too far and near impossible - nearly ! And oh so hard to get there !

[Atilla]

My impression is most shops do not tell the girl which customer is coming. What do others understand (nb most knowledgeable Willsno)

[negi]

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Overall, if Brother Negi’s expectation was that the management at Marrickville should force a girl to see him because he is accustomed to seeing Ginza girls not refusing him when he makes a booking then he made a wrong assumption about non Ginza girls. If he prefers the way Ginza runs its business, so let it be and stick with Ginza but don’t go complaining about the way another shop runs its business in relation to their girls. As they say, there's plenty of fish (girls) in the sea (shops).:smile:

bro cuteguy, don't bend my words around...as i stated before clearly, I did NOT say NOR i imply that the management should force the girls to see the customers. I have seen the Aiko and Kiko numerous times in Ginza before and i ALWAYS treated them with respect and gently. Never in my encounter with them before that I can feel that they were not happy seeing me. HENCE, i have NOT even the slightest idea why they won't want to see me when I booked them, especially I saw Kiko in M5 once after she moved from Ginza. What I was pissed off about was the way the Staff treated me/manage the situation on that day, which made me feel like shit! especially when the Staff was so lazy in showing other girls after my booking was cancelled and of course the rude treatment.

If I knew beforehand that Kiko and Aika don't want to see ex-Ginza customer because they don't want to provide GFE, just quick bucks for less service, I would respect that. Just tell customers earlier so we won't book and wasting our time. In fact, the new J girl Momo I booked one day early in M5, because from photo I think she is none of the Ginza girl...but then after i think again, it does resembles one of the ginza girl..(i do not want to tell who, i respect their privacy)..so I call M5 to ask and the STaff told me that she worked in Ginza before, so i apologize and cancel my booking giving plenty of times (cancelled 6 - 7 hours before the actual booking time), so both parties wont waste their time.

[illidanstormrage]

I was looking through some of the pictures and I noticed Linda is also an ex Top127/Ginza girl.

Anyone that has seen her before will know who she is instantly.

[ouch]

Negi i do feel for u bro. I've had similar experience at other shop. Girls decided nit to see me for what ever reason. Which is a little annoying as i am always respectful clean and tip well and only ever want to repeat see girls i jave had very good experience with. But thats tueir choice. In this case i think shop should have offer u a discount next visit for wasting your time and lack of service. Thats how u garnish good customer relations if person has poor experience. Especially a repeat customer.

[NaughtyBoy13]

bro cuteguy, don't bend my words around...as i stated before clearly, I did NOT say NOR i imply that the management should force the girls to see the customers. I have seen the Aiko and Kiko numerous times in Ginza before and i ALWAYS treated them with respect and gently. Never in my encounter with them before that I can feel that they were not happy seeing me. HENCE, i have NOT even the slightest idea why they won't want to see me when I booked them, especially I saw Kiko in M5 once after she moved from Ginza. What I was pissed off about was the way the Staff treated me/manage the situation on that day, which made me feel like shit! especially when the Staff was so lazy in showing other girls after my booking was cancelled and of course the rude treatment.

If I knew beforehand that Kiko and Aika don't want to see ex-Ginza customer because they don't want to provide GFE, just quick bucks for less service, I would respect that. Just tell customers earlier so we won't book and wasting our time. In fact, the new J girl Momo I booked one day early in M5, because from photo I think she is none of the Ginza girl...but then after i think again, it does resembles one of the ginza girl..(i do not want to tell who, i respect their privacy)..so I call M5 to ask and the STaff told me that she worked in Ginza before, so i apologize and cancel my booking giving plenty of times (cancelled 6 - 7 hours before the actual booking time), so both parties wont waste their time.

Mate ! $230/h at No5 Marrrickville equal to Golden Premium class at Ginza. Less pay and less service, I feel okay with that ! Whenver I want really great GFE one? I would prefer Diamond Class at Ginza for sure :) But you know the prices from $280/h their.

You pay for what you get mate :) Of course I do agree Aiko and Keiko just do less service, less GFE than girls at Ginza.

[negi]

Mate ! $230/h at No5 Marrrickville equal to Golden Premium class at Ginza. Less pay and less service, I feel okay with that ! Whenver I want really great GFE one? I would prefer Diamond Class at Ginza for sure :) But you know the prices from $280/h their.

You pay for what you get mate :) Of course I do agree Aiko and Keiko just do less service, less GFE than girls at Ginza.

yes, i agree is cheaper but then it starts getting mechanical just like cow being milked... lol!! i might just save $230 and do it myself!

[Putter]

I'm curious as to Momo's alias at Ginza? Is it Sara?

[illidanstormrage]

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http://www.syd5stars.com/gallery_images/syd5stars/299_momo/momo2.jpg

We have a winner?

[serge_nubret]

^ Decent detective work right there.

Did Megumi move to Gladsville/Marrickville too? Seems like a bit of an exodus of J girls from Ginza.

[monkeybeta]

linda is obvious but how can you tell with those momo pics? they look nothing alike to the 5star picture

[illidanstormrage]

There is the fact that she also left Ginza recently. I never saw her so I don't know but no doubt she has her fans.

[prime]

So I was having a look at their roster, is it confirmed they won't see any of the ex customers? Do we have to mention it before we book?

[Marrickvill_5]

yeah I Just asked them about this, will let you know as soon as I get reply back! san q~


Confirm that no any Ginza ex customers. :( sorry!

[rcha086]

It's unfortunate but at least it's all clear now. Class act from M5 for the way they're handling the situation online btw.

[originalmj23]

Can anyone pm me who are kiko and aika at ginza?