Sugarbabes - Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast markets

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Originally Posted by GoldfishMan

I’ve been browsing the profiles on seeking for fun. A lot of the girls there seem to think that it’s just “Tinder with rich guys in it”. They’re still wanting the same things as a regular GF, only they want money on top of it.
For example the one up here ^. Seeking long term, marriage minded, lol. Why would anyone look for marriage in a place like seeking?

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More direct than dating apps.

We know what each other wants.

Girls want money, men want sex.

Some men just want companionship or just some eye candy for an event. There's all sorts.

We've read in this forum that this can lead to long term and happy relationships.

I think you've got a higher chance of a successful long term relationship with a SB then a long term relationship with a WL/ML.

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Originally Posted by Riff888

More direct than dating apps.
We know what each other wants.
Girls want money, men want sex.
Some men just want companionship or just some eye candy for an event. There's all sorts.
We've read in this forum that this can lead to long term and happy relationships.
I think you've got a higher chance of a successful long term relationship with a SB then a long term relationship with a WL/ML.
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Originally Posted by BennyB

There are as many different kinds of girls on Seeking, with different motivations, as there are in a nightclub or a bar. To assume they all want the same thing or to take a cookie cutter approach to them would be a mistake. The challenge, and it's part of the fun, is to work out their motivation for being on the site. The answer very rarely lies in their online chat. Everyone has superficial answers they will tell a perfect stranger. That goes for us too.

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That may be the case, but I still think it's a bit of a joke. I go in there, I find all these girls saying they want "Marriage Minded", "Long Term", "Platonic", etc. It just felt like the Seeking site was about "seeking arrangements" only in name, but inside it's all the same as any other dating app. I reckon Seeking is making a big mistake allowing this usage of their site by the girls, allowing all these tags on their profiles. It's even worse than guys trying to directly solicit sex from the girls. Over time it will just erode the meaning of their existence and they will simply fade away as yet another dating app, and an expensive one at that.

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Originally Posted by BennyB

I haven't seen that happening and the same tags have been available for the past five years. The site can't be more explicit because they have to work within the FOSTA legislation in order to operate in the US.

"platonic" is often a euphemism for being open to non sex arrangements. There are girls on there who are being paid to go on dates or guys who just want company and will pay for it. It doesn't mean they are exclusively platonic - unless they say this - it just means they are open to different kinds of arrangements.

I had one "platonic" girl who took money from guys who wanted her to go to cocktail parties and events but would not sleep with them for any amount of money. She did however sleep with me for several months as an FWB. We met on the site and I never raised the question of money with her - I just showed her a very good time and she enjoyed what I did for her in bed. It's uncommon and I would not be suggesting that this will be everyone's experience, but once or twice a year, one of these types comes along.

I'm surprised you are on Seeking. I thought you had no interest in it?

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I'm just browsing for now, not (yet) a paying member. I have my reasons. Mainly because my partner satisfies most of my sexual needs (except for the punting "habit"!), and some other personal life reasons. It all makes me kind of lazy to lift a finger to go through the whole shebang again!

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Originally Posted by Riff888

I had a meet with this 19 year old Viet uni student. Just a meet at a cafe, we had coffee.

She's not the prettiest girl and she had quite noticeable acne. But she's also slim and tall at 170cm.

She seems very naive and innocent. Said she's had a lot of rude men contacting her, around 5 messages a week. She also blocks guys that ask for sex on the first meet.

Not sure if this will progress and I know she's not the most attractive girl but I really want to get into her pants, even just once. These young innocent looking girls sometimes totally go off in bed.

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Hi Riff888 is this girl with glasses. I also came across this profile and she quickly moved to Kik. Then she asked for 3000 as allowance. So I suggested ppm. She comes back and says ok 150 for a coffee meet. Which I declined and she ended the conversation. Did you meet her and she ask for money. She does not look that attractive in her profile pic.

Would be interested to know how was your experience for the coffee date.

Wow, i really should get into this sb tbing.

Sounds like a very good place to find young ladies to fuck.
Which seems to have more vfm than most wl/ml.

Havent read all of the posts/replies.

But my main questions would be:
-so you can basically just meet the sb every now and then and do what you want and agree on? Ill prolly just wanna fuck and play with her using toys for hours [emoji1787]

-how much of work does it need to start and maintain having a sb?

-typically you get more time fucking or enjoying her body than shops, pricewise?

-feels more amateurish and gfe?

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Originally Posted by Johnisfun1969

Hi Riff888 is this girl with glasses. I also came across this profile and she quickly moved to Kik. Then she asked for 3000 as allowance. So I suggested ppm. She comes back and says ok 150 for a coffee meet. Which I declined and she ended the conversation. Did you meet her and she ask for money. She does not look that attractive in her profile pic.

Would be interested to know how was your experience for the coffee date.

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Yes sounds like her although I didn't pay her for the coffee meet, just the coffee.

It was raining and we were walking around under the umbrella, she did get close and is open to intimacy.

We haven't discussed financials yet but $3k a month is way too high. Especially when she's not really that attractive. She's got a great body and is tall though.

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Originally Posted by BennyB

There’s definitely someone for everyone. But I wouldn’t go on there just assuming you can pay for sex and talking about it on the site. That’s the fastest way to get banned.

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that's what kik is for.

i have been surprised by a couple of SBs that didn't have kik. i think they both got it later but wtf.

whatsapp isn't the same, i use whatsapp for my vanilla comms.

Id recommend kik if it werent for the suggestive ads.

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Originally Posted by Riff888

Yes sounds like her although I didn't pay her for the coffee meet, just the coffee.

It was raining and we were walking around under the umbrella, she did get close and is open to intimacy.

We haven't discussed financials yet but $3k a month is way too high. Especially when she's not really that attractive. She's got a great body and is tall though.

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Thanks for the reply. Maybe she was more considerate to you. With the girls in the younger age group I did not have much luck. Most of them want online-only and want to share pics and videos. Most of these get banned in a couple of days.
I thought she was also one of them and I was abrupt.

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Originally Posted by Johnisfun1969

Thanks for the reply. Maybe she was more considerate to you. With the girls in the younger age group I did not have much luck. Most of them want online-only and want to share pics and videos. Most of these get banned in a couple of days.
I thought she was also one of them and I was abrupt.

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Oh she's real alright, just her availability sucks. I cannot meet up during work hours and she basically works all weekend.

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I had a couple of question to the guys who are more expereinced on the Seeking Arrangement.

First is on the girsl who say they wont be intimate until they know you. This is fine and I would not mind investing my time as it may give more of a girlfriend experience once they open up. BUt most of these girls want $200-$300 just to meet you. I have have only gone on one of these meetings where the girl was happy with a gift. We met for breakfast and it was really nice haveing a chat. I had left the gift in the car to only offer her if things go allright. We had good chat over breakfast and got to know her. Its beeen 2-3 week and I have been busy and not gone for the second meeting. My question is how to you guys hadnle girls who want to meet for platonic dates but want 200-300 for it.

Secondly just want to know the girsl you have been chatting on the site. Once you move to the WhatsApp or phone number how much messaging you should do. I feel I send too many as my intnetions is to build a connection for regular meets. I find before you have met them the girls engage in messaging actively. But after you had the meeting and sex although they really enjoy also specially if you have taken them for a nice dinner and drinks. But the dont message as frequently. Currently there is one young girl who chats regularly. I thought I ask what was the eticate is for messaging.

Thanks guys still enjoying the SA experience. I met a curvy girl in Canberra and she was a nyphomaniac. With the Kamagra pills I have been able to perform like a porn star ahaha. Then I met a girl from GC who is Sydney for business. She says she is a wedding photographer and only activates her account when tyravelling. She was something, what a girl. I am hoping we can meet again when I am in GC next week. Fingers corssed.

Cheers,
had 2-3

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Originally Posted by Johnisfun1969

I had a couple of question to the guys who are more expereinced on the Seeking Arrangement.

First is on the girsl who say they wont be intimate until they know you. This is fine and I would not mind investing my time as it may give more of a girlfriend experience once they open up. BUt most of these girls want $200-$300 just to meet you. I have have only gone on one of these meetings where the girl was happy with a gift. We met for breakfast and it was really nice haveing a chat. I had left the gift in the car to only offer her if things go allright. We had good chat over breakfast and got to know her. Its beeen 2-3 week and I have been busy and not gone for the second meeting. My question is how to you guys hadnle girls who want to meet for platonic dates but want 200-300 for it.

Secondly just want to know the girsl you have been chatting on the site. Once you move to the WhatsApp or phone number how much messaging you should do. I feel I send too many as my intnetions is to build a connection for regular meets. I find before you have met them the girls engage in messaging actively. But after you had the meeting and sex although they really enjoy also specially if you have taken them for a nice dinner and drinks. But the dont message as frequently. Currently there is one young girl who chats regularly. I thought I ask what was the eticate is for messaging.

Thanks guys still enjoying the SA experience. I met a curvy girl in Canberra and she was a nyphomaniac. With the Kamagra pills I have been able to perform like a porn star ahaha. Then I met a girl from GC who is Sydney for business. She says she is a wedding photographer and only activates her account when tyravelling. She was something, what a girl. I am hoping we can meet again when I am in GC next week. Fingers corssed.

Cheers,
had 2-3

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Don’t pay for just the meetup, unless you have too much money to spend.

Message her if that’s what you like and you think she likes to as well. Otherwise, they would think you are too needy and looking for a gf.

We all want a bit of connection and someone to talk to. That’s perfectly normal.

On the messaging part - I look at as tit for tat. If they aren't responding I ain't sending.

Don't want to come across as needed or desperate, I definitely don't want a girl to be like that with me forcing me to always be on my phone (which my wife will notice as odd).

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Originally Posted by FranktheGun

Back from GC. Met a little hottie half German half Asian student. 500 per night i paid her and boy was she fun a definite keeper. On 2 nd night she said we dont need condoms so fucked bareback in my hotel.

Only thing boys if they park at the hotel make sure they dont charge it to your room Im going to have to explain that one to the boss haha!

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Hi mate I am off to Gold Coast and Brisbane next week. Would you share the profile name of the girl perhaps in private message. I have lined up a girl but lot of times they cancel at the last moment. I can share ones I have met in Syd, Gc and Brisbane

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Originally Posted by FranktheGun

Still banging her mate

She is coming to Sydney to stay with me in two weeks

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Sorry mate, did not realise you were getting along with her. Otherwise I would not have said. Enjoy the time with her.

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Originally Posted by FranktheGun

Back from GC. Met a little hottie half German half Asian student. 500 per night i paid her and boy was she fun a definite keeper. On 2 nd night she said we dont need condoms so fucked bareback in my hotel.

Only thing boys if they park at the hotel make sure they dont charge it to your room Im going to have to explain that one to the boss haha!

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500 per night? thats a great price and seems she's not about the money...

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Originally Posted by blacksugar

Don’t pay for just the meetup, unless you have too much money to spend.

Message her if that’s what you like and you think she likes to as well. Otherwise, they would think you are too needy and looking for a gf.

We all want a bit of connection and someone to talk to. That’s perfectly normal.

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could that be first date of relationship without commitment? what point u guys talking about prices? end of the meeting or 2nd meeting? I'm agreed with people out there need to have first meeting to see how it goes...

Back in the day the Sugar Daddy/Baby thing was not very common and usually involved a very rich man sponsoring a girl, often keeping her in an apartment and paying her rent, maybe giving her a car, giving her a generous allowance, spoiling her with expensive gifts etc, and it was often an exclusive relationship - the Baby didn't see other guys, and the Daddy usually didn't see other girls or maybe if he was super rich he might be running a couple of babies at once.
But these days mainly because of the internet and various aps what people call Sugar Daddy/Baby is in reality just paying for an escort.
Basically it's just punting. Sugar Daddies are punters. And Sugar Babies are escorts.
Any bloke who has an average income of over 80,000 pa can be a sugar daddy.
80% of men have enough disposable income to pay $400-$500 to catch up with a girl and fuck her once a week.
And as for the girls, well they can call themselves Sugar Babies, but basically they are escorts or prostitutes.
There is nothing wrong with being a punter and there is nothing wrong with being an escort.
In fact there is everything right about it.
But this farcical nonsense of calling it Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby is just nonsense.
Lets just call it what it is Prostitution. Beautiful, wonderful, magical, prostitution - the greatest invention of mankind :)

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Originally Posted by BennyB

I never talk price. I focus on the experience I'm going to give them. If they bring up price, that will be the first we speak of it.

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Some of my chats with SA girls seem to fizzle out. I start off conversational, trying not to be too creepy, but probably should try to make the chat more sexy.

On the other hand I find it fake and off putting if the SBs start using 'darling' or putting kisses right from the start after every single line of chat.

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Originally Posted by Markin

Some of my chats with SA girls seem to fizzle out. I start off conversational, trying not to be too creepy, but probably should try to make the chat more sexy.

On the other hand I find it fake and off putting if the SBs start using 'darling' or putting kisses right from the start after every single line of chat.

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Those are the career SBs. Most would be premium members but I've had some awesome times with premium girls.

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Originally Posted by Markin

Some of my chats with SA girls seem to fizzle out. I start off conversational, trying not to be too creepy, but probably should try to make the chat more sexy.

On the other hand I find it fake and off putting if the SBs start using 'darling' or putting kisses right from the start after every single line of chat.

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Sometimes it's them, not you. I've forgotten how many weeks it's been since I joined premium but I've my share of reply/no-reply and I always try to engage in thoughtful (engaging) conversation around their profile.

Some of their profiles said they want a connection etc but if they don't respond to my open ended questions - just shows they weren't really genuine to be with.

I have also been using the messages as a way to improve myself in staying "interesting" to talk to, cause I see it as a transferable skill in my everyday life.

Don't stop believing in yourself.

Hi Benny, great thread. I'm very interested in this topic as it's a potential alternative to the ML/WL option perhaps. Various questions will be forthcoming... Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by BennyB

Some feedback from a recent trip to Melbourne:

- $400 is still very much achievable in the market
- I had one girl come over for 4 hours one evening and the following evening she stayed over and I gave her $500. She works in a government agency in a management role and just loves the idea of being paid to fuck. Slim, brunette, petite and a lot of fun.

So for those of you thinking of sugaring interstate, Melbourne still has an excellent selection of SBs and very reasonable pricing. Of course there are the daydreamers who want $600 or $700 or more, but you just have to sift through those.

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that's decent price but importantly which i agreed with... there's girls out there have jobs considered doing it.

great thread and insight from you..alot of shit for us to learn.

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Originally Posted by BennyB

February is traditionally a great month for the Sugarbabe sites.

A few things that increase the number of women signing up to the platforms:

1. Universities go back and many girls are moving out of home and realising it costs a lot more to enjoy the same lifestyle

2. They've started thinking about where they are going on holiday, or student debt they want to pay off, or the property market they want to get into, or just the latest handbag they want to buy and a friend has suggested going onto a Sugarbabe site

3. January is statistically a month where many relationships end - and girls find themselves trying something new. Like sugar dating.

Hopefully it's a good month for you guys who are thinking of trying it out for the first time.

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I find your observations very insightful.

To me it reveals and/or provides a hint to what their motives are. Certainly good Intel to use as an advantage and for timing. Could also apply to MLs when it comes to extras/tips.

Did you uncover these circumstantial insights from general revelations of numerous SBs you've interacted with?

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Originally Posted by BennyB

In terms of discretion, I would also say, more broadly, that it's good to have a balanced approach. You don't want to be so private that you are hard work to connect with or the girls never see photos of you. Equally, you don't want to be opening yourself up to scammers. Taking basic precautions are easy - have a video call, meet them in person first, judge by the way the conversation is going whether they sound normal and worth engaging with.

Does that help?

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Discretion is certainly priority for all the married and partnered punters here including me.

So what's a good balance approach, whats your practice? How much do you reveal about yourself to the SB?

Do you portray a certain fictitious but plausible profile about yourself and stick to that story no matter what or do you provide guarded information about you like your relationship status, type of work you do and area you around and set boundaries, rules, agreements at the outset then slowly open yourself up overtime once trust is established with a SB?

We are greedy and want both worlds. There's always a fear of being exposed, caught, black mailed or a SB developing feelings and that could spill into private life. The fear is real.