Sensational Transformational Budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe........

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Originally Posted by wilisno

The government don't subsidize all these for you, it's the social structure and the tax structure of a western country, they come from the tax everybody pays, it's not free !

You're probably too used to the system in Asian countries, they don't have to pay social security, but don't forget, they pay much lower tax !

Any system will be abused by some people, but there are people who genuinely need assistance, people who's been paying tax all their lives !

About unemployment benefits, we are lucky that we don't need it, but think about those who do ! Through no fault of their own, they lost their jobs and with a family to feed ...

I wouldn't say like ! Like ! Like !

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We all need to pay taxes and the same rules apply to everyone. Whether you are a student on minimum budget, or you start work earning $35K, or earning 6 digits salary, you just adapt and change your lifestyle accordingly, all these while, you pay tax according to the rules that apply to everyone. I dont think we should adopt a "what do I get in return?" mentality because it is the lifestyle that you choose to live that affects your life. For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?
If the social security is there, good; but we should not treat it as a given rather a bonus.
There are ppl who pays their fair share of the tax and there are ppl who dont. There are ppl who abuse the system and there are those who are self-sufficent. We cant say for everyone but at least as an individual we should do the right thing and not become a parasite to the society.

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Originally Posted by RoyalFlush

We all need to pay taxes and the same rules apply to everyone. Whether you are a student on minimum budget, or you start work earning $35K, or earning 6 digits salary, you just adapt and change your lifestyle accordingly, all these while, you pay tax according to the rules that apply to everyone. I dont think we should adopt a "what do I get in return?" mentality because it is the lifestyle that you choose to live that affects your life. For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?

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You've got it all wrong here, That's exactly what I said, we shouldn't think " What do I get in return " ! The Social Security system is there to help those who need it, we all contribute our share in terms of tax to make it work, and we shouldn't wish we can have a piece of the cake back. Hence we shouldn't envy those who receive assistance !

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For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?
If the social security is there, good; but we should not treat it as a given rather a bonus.
There are ppl who pays their fair share of the tax and there are ppl who dont. There are ppl who abuse the system and there are those who are self-sufficent. We cant say for everyone but at least as an individual we should do the right thing and not become a parasite to the society

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Only well to do people can have children ???

What if one only became poor after having children ? And a family in need doesn't have to have many children, a one child family still needs to be fed ! And don't forget, Australia is an aging country, we need young people to keep paying taxes when we get old !

As I said in the above post, all systems are subject to abuse, we can only device a way to deal with those abusers, but we can't abandon the fundamental principles of the social structure !

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Originally Posted by wilisno

You've got it all wrong here, That's exactly what I said, we shouldn't think " What do I get in return " ! The Social Security system is there to help those who need it, we all contribute our share in terms of tax to make it work, and we shouldn't wish we can have a piece of the cake back. Hence we shouldn't envy those who receive assistance !



Only well to do people can have children ???

What if one only became poor after having children ? And a family in need doesn't have to have many children, a one child family still need to be fed ! And don't forget, Australia is an aging country, we need young people to keep paying tax when we get old !

As I said in the above post, all systems are subject to abuse, we can only device a way to deal with those abusers, but we can't abandon the fundamental principles of the social structure !

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I do believe only well-to do ppl can have children. If you manage to do moderately ok in this life and manage to buy yourself 2 houses; if you got 1 child, that one child inherits your 2 properties. If he does as well as you, then by retirement he has 4 properties, means his standard of living has increased and do not need govt assistance.
Now the problem with too many children, you need to divide your resources with them and when they grow up, they need the money to raise their own family and sometimes you even need to help them buy their properties.
If the one child family is self-sufficient, then there is no need for the system to support them

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Originally Posted by RoyalFlush

I do believe only well-to do ppl should have children. If you manage to do moderately ok in this life and manage to buy yourself 2 houses; if you got 1 child, that one child inherits your 2 properties. If he does as well as you, then by retirement he has 4 properties, means his standard of living has increased and do not need govt assistance.
Now the problem with too many children, you need to divide your resources with them and when they grow up, they need the money to raise their own family and sometimes you even need to help them buy their properties.
If the one child family is self-sufficient, then there is no need for the system to support them

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Well ! You can go to China, they have or had a one family one child policy there !

But my point is, Social Security is there to help those in need, even a one child family is a family in need. If every citizen waits till he has 2 houses or 4 houses to start having children, we will all be in big trouble ! By then, he might be too old to make baby already ! :miao:

Interesting to read fellow punters thoughts. It's quite entertaining.

Anyways, go Tony Abbott!!
I'm glad the age of entitlement is over for everyone... for the poor. All of us wealthy people only suffer temporary tax hikes, all you poor suckers suffer it permanently. Hahaha.

Fuel hikes, that kinda sucks but at least big business doesn't suffer. They get to keep their fuel excise subsidy because it's a 'business input'.

You can see quite clearly that this is a no broken promises budget. Remember its a damn levy not a tax. No not the same thing because even though they are both collected by tax office. I'm not going to get into the semantics of it all.

They are funding all of the education reforms for 4 years and then after that he will not fund anymore. Remember the states need to grow up and act like adults because our federal leaders are definitely behaving like mature old men. Abbott is the type of person that has values that I aspire too. His daughters have so much sex appeal and every word he says can definitely be trusted cause everything was fully costed before the election.

Luckily I don’t need health care WLs can take care of me just fine.

Young people are also lazy. Its great that they wont get a social safety net for 6 months. When my workplace suffered under the gfc the first that were let go were the young ones. Yes it was hard on them back then but if this policy was in place back then those young people would have grown so much more.

and please don't forget BUDGET EMERGENCY. That's why everyone needs to understand why we as a country need to pull our own weight and companies get a 1.5% tax cut.

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Originally Posted by wilisno

But my point is, Social Security is there to help those in need, even a one child family is a family in need.

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Sorry mate.
Helping people isn't a part of liberal DNA.

People need to help themselves! !

Three good reasons for drastically reducing ABC funding:

Virginia Trioli, Sarah Ferguson, Leigh Sales....... three gruesome ABC female presenters,

I'm limper than limp just mentioning their names and posting this message.

Yeah baby......(good onya Joe Hockey)

Son, I think you'd be suprised if you knew where the majority of government expenditure ends up.

You sound to me like a bitter blue collar worker, the sort of bloke who spends a lot of time at the local pub drinking cheap beer and complaining to his mates about how much tax he pays and what little he gets in return.

NEWFLASH!!! That public school you snoozed you way through - just who the bloody fuck do you think payed for that? Answer: other tax payers! That shitty TAFE course in landscape gardening of whatever shit you did , who do you think picked up the bill for that??? Thats right punk - other tax payers!!! That single mother pension your old lady collected when you were a kid so she could buy smokes and fill you gut with junk food, who paid for that? You got it - other goddam taxpayers!!!

Wake up sonny boy. You're just another self entitled Centrelink kid who thinks the world owes hin something. Improve yourself. That sort of attitude is just gonna bring you heartache and disspointment

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Originally Posted by SheIsHer

At last, the line in the sand has been drawn.
The age of entitlement for every unproductive flag-waving "it's my right" twat is over.
Australia was becoming a hideous "nanny state," and borrowing huge sums of money in the process.
Benefits dependency and induced laziness is now over, and not before time.

Yeah baby......

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Originally Posted by greybeard_

Son, I think you'd be suprised if you knew where the majority of government expenditure ends up.

You sound to me like a bitter blue collar worker, the sort of bloke who spends a lot of time at the local pub drinking cheap beer and complaining to his mates about how much tax he pays and what little he gets in return.

NEWFLASH!!! That public school you snoozed you way through - just who the bloody fuck do you think payed for that? Answer: other tax payers! That shitty TAFE course in landscape gardening of whatever shit you did , who do you think picked up the bill for that??? Thats right punk - other tax payers!!! That single mother pension your old lady collected when you were a kid so she could buy smokes and fill you gut with junk food, who paid for that? You got it - other goddam taxpayers!!!

Wake up sonny boy. You're just another self entitled Centrelink kid who thinks the world owes hin something. Improve yourself. That sort of attitude is just gonna bring you heartache and disspointment

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Yours is the first low brow post on this interesting thread, and with lousy spelling too, deary me.
So, I take it you don't agree with my view. That's lovely sugarplum.

By the way ignoramus, I don't drink/smoke and I have a post-graduate education, so I'm far removed from your
rather odd stereotypical view of those people who may have, let's say, right-wing socio-political tendencies.
Perhaps you're related to one of those horrible ABC girls, ah yes, that must be what ruffled your feathers. kiss kiss.

http://forum.aus99.com/member.php?32288-ChairmanPlough

i didn't realise they gave out postgraduate degrees in smoking cock these days Chairman Plough!

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Originally Posted by dohdoe

Sorry mate.
Helping people isn't a part of liberal DNA.

People need to help themselves! !

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That's right, well most of it anyway, ie the second part....

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Originally Posted by RoyalFlush

Ive heard stories ...
Ive also heard stories ...

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And I've heard stories about millionaires paying little to NO tax.

Yet are these the bastards targeted by those dickheads Abbott and Hockey?

Nup.

Rupert gets a recent gift from the tax office of about a 800 million dollars, in fact.

There are two ways to fix a budget (not that this one needed fixing). Spend less or get more income. If those rich fucks and businesses who currently rort the system (far worse than anyone else) paid their fair share then the "problem" would be solved.

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Originally Posted by pantydropa

Punters having their say at politics makes for entertaining reading!

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Absolutely friend, plenty of very interesting comments here, it's good.

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Originally Posted by uglyphil

And I've heard stories about millionaires paying little to NO tax.

Yet are these the bastards targeted by those dickheads Abbott and Hockey?

Nup.

Rupert gets a recent gift from the tax office of about a 800 million dollars, in fact.

There are two ways to fix a budget (not that this one needed fixing). Spend less or get more income. If those rich fucks and businesses who currently rort the system (far worse than anyone else) paid their fair share then the "problem" would be solved.

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There is truth in what you say, some large companies pay ridiculously low sums of tax, through legitimate tax avoidance measures.
Something should be done to redress the balance, but you shouldn't over do it, otherwise the companies go elsewhere. If they
stay they are unable to grow and create jobs, so the economy stagnates. I guess it's a question of getting the balance right.

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Originally Posted by greybeard_

http://forum.aus99.com/member.php?32288-ChairmanPlough

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What a detective ! :miao:

No matter how hard CP (SheIsHer) tries he is always found out, he seems to stand out, most trolls do ...
It's been only 3 days sine he was last banned!

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Originally Posted by paulgallen

Best thread for ages. Didn't know there were thinkers and intellectuals here

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Well said, it is a good thread.
However, all good threads soon come under attack by the same duo.
Good threads are not permitted on the "forum," you have to talk about......other things shall we say.
How fearful can anyone get? I find their fixation on previous legends to be decidedly strange, yet very revealing.

5,4,3,2,1.......Banned - go on then, I dare you.

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Originally Posted by SheIsHer

Typical self congratulatory blah blah and misrepresentation blah blah and blah blah blah.

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Ohh look the troll is back as a woman this time :)

It's your words that get you banned troll ...

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Originally Posted by CunningLinguist

Ohh look the troll is back as a woman this time :)

It's your words that get you banned troll ...

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Please tell the forum members which words of mine (of mine) require that I should be banned.