Yes most SB run on PPM. On your point A my regular has never revealed her birthday to me. On the plus I save money not buying her a present :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CumShot
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Yes most SB run on PPM. On your point A my regular has never revealed her birthday to me. On the plus I save money not buying her a present :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CumShot
It's just high end escorts. Some semi pro or it's a sideline, but many full time.
I've sampled both sides of the fence - visiting shops, higher end privates (for my non Asian fixes) and SB.
Each is a great way to enjoy a great shag (or not, if they are a dud), and can send you broke if you aren't disciplined.
It's a bit like cricket - some prefer test matches, some like one dayers, some T20s. Different prices and time commitments for each. I like them all!
It's all fun and games with SBs until you catch feelings.
No probs if you get the feels for an SB just marry her. At least you should get good daily BJs :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jt82
There is never any feelings in sugar arrangements. Only fools fall in love or get attached.
The basic reason is the age gap. These SB girls are only in it for the cash, and they just want to choose which man to fuck, rather than work as ML/WL and must take all punters.
Younger men (say under 40) do not need to pay for it using seeking.com and similar sites, because the dating apps like tinder have dozens of women looking to get laid without any payment. Maybe a meal if you go overboard (say $100 to $300 in food and drinks).
There seems to be a large number of younger guys these days who fall in love with a WL they seem to get hooked on them and forget the girl just wants the money. Times have changed its no longer fuck and forget but more so can't forget her. Some of these WLs are very good at seducing guys. In reality if you married a WL could you satisfy her ongoing money requirements?
I always see young guys in their 20s in most shops, I'm not sure the claim that young guys do not need to pay for sex is always the case. Have seen plenty of handsome young Asian at 42G and also Caucasians in other shops.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewv
Millenials are very different in their approach to sex, in fact unlike the general assumption that they are having plenty of sex due to rise of Tinder etc, the reality is quite different. If anyone likes to read then this article is quite interesting:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ession/573949/
There is another perspective which from my perspective has been worse from falling for a WL, it is being close friends with one. I am close friends with a WL, it started after a while of being her regular, we always got along, and she offered to go clothes shopping with me because apparently I have no style. I was taken aback as at that time it never occurred to me to met them outside the shop. I also thought that was just a customer engagement strategy to keep me as a regular. Long story short we became friends, good friends. The problem with that is that good friends share and she shares her mental and physical struggles with me. Now i am a sensitive kind of guy and I care for my friends so when she shares things it breaks my heart. It is hard to hear the things they go through. The other side of the coin one can say is that it is her choice. She could find another job and she chooses not to. Whatever the reason is we are not to judge our friends we are to support each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by JSteel96
In my experience being friends, close friends, with these WLs is worse than being in a relationship having been there.
Before anyone asks I don’t get sex with her for free and whilst I haven’t seen her in the brothel for s few months we are still a friends.
Firstly can we please not acknowledge the bait posts by rooter? All due respect for his tenure and regular reports on Aus99 but in every sugar thread, he will inevitably make a post (multiple sometimes) about how he doesn't understand why we all don't just head to a shop for a punt. We all know why we're looking for a sugar arrangement and anyone who is curious about it can use the search function or google. Let's not clog up the thread.
Further general obs:
- A 27yo asian SB mentioned that she was having a rough time finding decent men. Apparently 90% of profiles don't have photos and are super vague about what they want, preferring to hide their cards and suss out what the SB wants. So the way to stand out is clear: upload some decent photos (blur or crop your face if needed) and be forward about what you're looking for. Regardless of what you want to call them - sugarbabies, escorts, normal girls looking to be paid for dates and sex, whatever - these women are selective about the men they fuck so you need to be convincing by being good looking, charming and/or generous.
- Vast majority of these girls are not very responsive. They will take half a day to a day to respond to messages so progress is slow.
- More a personal observation: I seem to tend to reach out to asian SB's (in the minority) than cauc or latina SB's. Partially a preference in sexual partner, but I suspect also a bias developed from punting that caucs and latinas would ask for more so I don't bother engaging. I should make a more concerted effort to properly engage caucs and latinas to see how it develops.
Potentials:
- 21yo Jap girl from Tokyo (continued) - she cancelled our initial meet 1hr beforehand as her family apparently arranged a surprise bday party. Supposedly available all of next week but we'll see.
- 27yo asian local (referred to above) - comes across cultured and intelligent, but very plain in the face department: narrow eyes, no double eyelids, freckles (I suspect ABK). Was looking for a voyeur to pay to watch her fuck another guy (no thank you)
- 24yo petite asian, I suspect local 9-5'er. Lives with her family so unable to host but down for $500ppm. Have arranged a drink to check the vibe and see how we go.
- 19yo tall alt-looking pinay. Despite 'doing 600 in the past... 500 seems reasonable' (definitely following a SB script she found online). Currently trying to arrange a drink with her but slow to respond.
- 27yo westie asian who hits all the physical notes for me: slim, A-B cups and an ass with some meat! Profile suggests she's mainly looking for interesting conversations but when I mentioned I was looking for intimacy she responded with "the way to the heart is always food". Still only looking for a coffee to check the vibe first, then possibility of dinner and maybe more.
Meet:
This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.Quote:
Originally Posted by grant
The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.
As for the sex, we warmed up with a lot of passionate kissing (which she's great at). Seduced her with kisses down her neck and onto her B cup tits were met with very positive vocal affirmation. Went down on her absolutely TINY shaved pussy which she was very into. She was concerned about my size when we met for dinner as I'm a tall guy and she was apparently 'small' (Confirmed!). She was very tight, as getting two fingers in was a struggle. As she was about to climax she pushed me off as she was getting 'sensitive'. Unsure if this girl knows what an orgasm is and I was pretty disappointed she wanted me to stop early.
I put the dom on and lubed her up and struggled to get in in missionary. She really struggled initially with my size but did get kind of used to it eventually, as she started thrusting to match my shallow strokes. As she was so keen on thrusting I got her to into CG where I finished in the dom soon after (she is so tight).
Unfortunately that was the end of it, as she had some abdominal pain (I may have bruised her cervix). I asked her about a second round and she wasn't into it so we left it at that. I did notice some blood on the dom but unsure if she was on her period or if I may have hurt her with my size. A little frustrated she didn't let me warm her up properly to give penetrative sex a better chance.
Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.
Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.
I know they all go through phases and the work is very taxing on their mind, but what are their mental struggles like? Is it about the way some guys treat them in the room or questioning their status etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
I never dared to ask this question from them.
Mine used to be a ML years back we became close friends and lovers still are to this day. She left ML work years ago and learned from me to do online selling. She does not want to have a relationship she just wants the ongoing sex with me. I'm married and will take the extra sex and secret friendship with her. Whilst we are friends I feel its okay to keep being with her since she quit ML years ago. But being friends with one still in a shop that would be another issue. That's the problem to you go to a shop and suddenly find a girl that you get on really well with. Its not as easy as fuck and forget anymore. You must have heard some sad stories from her about what shes been through in the shop care to share some of the stories you heard? Its hard for these ladies to deal with some of the bad guys about. Always treat a WL with respect. They are there to enjoy pleasure with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
I think what she’s told me is the standard experience these girls go through but things such as guys pulling out the condom whilst in doggie hoping she won’t notice, getting farted on her face while rimming, guys going for the ass and she doesn’t do that, I told her that that qualifies as rape but they don’t do anything about it. Guys taking drugs during the session, getting slapped and chocked hard, she doesn’t go for those, getting called names that only devalues her further. Her own insecurities about her future, in her opinion that’s the only job she can do here in Aus despite being a professional in her country of origin. Her thinking that she is running out of time as she ages and she won’t have enough money to support her through retirement. Guy holding her head down and cumming all over her face and hair. All the STIs she contracted over the years. Guys with incredibly low hygiene and despite the show the BO doesn’t go away. Face fuck without permission and excessive force by the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JSteel96
Having said all that she does say that the overwhelming majority of the guys are nice to her and her days are tolerable. I learned from her that despite all we think It is incredibly rare for them to cum and if they get wet during daty it is because they are thinking of someone else and not us. They hate big dicks and their pussy is constantly sore. She doesn’t like daty or guys rimming her despite pretending she does.
They talk amongst themselves how to get us to cum during the shower as they all hope not to have to fuck us. They hate rimming us, THEY ABSOLUTELY HATE RIMMING US AND THEY ALSO HATE CIM despite doing it very well. She has to do it but she doesn’t offer it, if the guy asks she has to do it as part of the service but she hates it. If you do CIM she will despise you forever.
Seeing guys outside the shop is just reserved for the frequent guys who give her the most amount of sessions and the longer the sessions the better as there is often less sex and more talk. Seeing guys outside the shop is to keep the good ones coming back. We are not special, none of us are and our friendship is rare but it happens as we all know.
The above is just a brain download.
Justification for the money they earn. A close friend now ex WL told me virtually the same stuff as above. She said it's a dirty job and the money was grey. The always went to the temple and donated to gain virtue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
One thing for, it changes girls forever, even if they do one job.
Having a WL as a close friend changed me forever as well. Still I do it because the need to put my dick into as many women as possible is stronger.
Same here mate, the things she shared with me changed me and made me angry and sadQuote:
Originally Posted by Riff888
You should tell when you reach a girls limit and not go in that deep yeah? Some girls limit depth themselves by their positions so it doesn't go in that deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by grant
But in my experience, if size is an issue, wearing a condom does not help the situation.
If size turns it into a dud punt and it's the same on the second visit, I just stop seeing them. It's my time and money. It's not a relationship where she can get used to it slowly.
As far as PPM reduction. This usually happens over longer term arrangements and initiated by the girls. Especially if you go for movies, dinners and sleep overs etc. A few times I didn't pay anything if I saw a girl a second or third time in a week. Car sex is usually around $100 to $200 but mainly with young caucasian/European girls.
One of the reasons I'm not into getting rimmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
Great insight, thanks for the share.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
I would say that it's not only the punters causing such troubles but also the shop giving punters certain expectations that they can receive every service advertised. I think that's why Aussie/European WLs tend to advertise standard service with extras discussed in private although it will diminish their client numbers.
Normally my punting experience in the past have been the same as how I treated gfs in the past - some may not like DATY or BJ so I don't force it on them. Even CIM is something I let them decide on whether they want to do it or not. I know a shop that asks customers for feedback immediately after the punt and ask if the girl had delivered every service including shower BJ and CIM - this form of "quality control" in my opinion is very degrading yet I never understood why many new girls are attracted to working in that shop.
There are people out there, especially a certain race that still have strong BO after several showers, that think in a primitive way - $300 can feed a whole family back home so they justify doing all kinds of unthinkable stuff to WLs mainly because of how they value the amount paid and how they view WLs (or women in general) back home.
Nope, no point shifting the blame to the shop. So what if the shop advertised that a girl did rimming, I can always choose not to get that. I despise that act. Or CIM, etc. the ball is always in your court whether you go for something advertised.Quote:
Originally Posted by peripel
I also often get asked about how a girl performed in a sesh by the shop. I didn't go into detail about if she did CIM, rimming or whatever. All I did was say "she was great, did everything I wanted". You're not on the stand in a trial. Just say what you feel is right.
I've asked the question to a regular, who on the surface was balanced and composed and she simply said : "it's my job"Quote:
Originally Posted by personaa
I've been at this game for 30+ yrs and have never been able to comprehend how the brothel based WL deal with the emotional, physical and mental impact of seeing not just10 guys a day, but 10 vastly different guys.
They open the door not knowing what they will confront on the other side and within minutes they are into shower play, bbbj, daty, rimming, DFK, sex in multiple posns,..etc.
Sure, some are duds, some average, but we all know some WL that do it all oh so well that we return and return.
Not sure how they do it week after week and maintain well being and sanity?
Unfortunately the damage is deep I believe. I am quite sure my friend suffers from functional depression but she also has incredibly low self esteem. I don’t know if you guys have noticed but some of the girls go through their routine in such an automatic way that it is like you are not even there. That’s a way of self preservation and coping mechanism. I once had a regular who if she was just going through the motions of her routine she would always say certain words at certain times in automatic mode. Like when she jumped on top she would always say “oh fuck”, or some such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abracadabra
What I always say to my friend is that she has an incredible perseverance or grit because they keep on going in such a difficult job for many years. If they could channel their grit towards something else they would be successful. We know that some girls use alcohol and drugs as a coping mechanism.
I for one think the damage is quite deep for the ones who do it for such a long time
You twigged a memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
A Korean escort I knew quite well from the Seoul juicy bars once told me when she'd arrive at the bar to work, she'd leave herself outside...
Same girl said : they can have my body but not me.
I enjoy punting but you wonder about the unseen effects.
What you also need to remember is that the girls have a choice, they chose to do this line of work to get the big dollars quickly. They could easily choose to leave the industry but they don't want check out chick wages.
She may prefer to think that it's just her body that is doing the work , she is using this argument to calm herself but deep down it's quite different, me thinks. The whole idea of being in a room and funking for money is something that stays with her forever. As someone said the damages are much deeper, hence all the reason they get into drugs, gambling and alcohol. I guess the most significant damage is on self-esteem and questioning self-worth.
You're absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by dotcumdotinyou
They do take the lucrative route instead of say, Bunnings, Macca's, Woolies....
They had a choice.