My Seeking.com (sugarbaby) experience

[sukeong]

Not sure about seeking as I stuck to SD. You get many messages there initiated by sugar babies in the site. But cuz of the system there of credits it's not possible to reply to them all unless you are prepared to spend a fortune. I find most are from Caucasian ladies like close 90%. Maybe seeking is different where there are more asians. Usually it's best to just reply to those verified. As mentioned before many by others the top three issues are still mainly finding a place, the money and just plain chance you happen to find the one you are seeking. Some of them can be pretty desperate. Usually rent is the reason they provide. And they can be very flexible to suit your schedule. Although some working like two or three jobs tend to be less flexible of course.

But I found most much better I terms of spontaneity and gfe than WLs in general. The cost of food, hotel and actual fee per meet can be very straining though.


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[CumShot]

I am surprised that the OP was only sorting through 5-6 profiles. I'm an irregular visitor to Sydney, about a week out from a visit I setup an account, message 20 girls with an offer and overnight stay request. I always end up with enough to keep my bed full.

One thing I suggest for the OP is to lower your quality control from the pics. Many girls will post very modest pic/pics knowing they have body image issues. When you meet them they will be trying so much harder to impress you and to perform.

Personally I don't bother to contact or respond to the stunners. They are going to ask stupid price

[andrewv]

I am surprised that the OP was only sorting through 5-6 profiles. I'm an irregular visitor to Sydney, about a week out from a visit I setup an account, message 20 girls with an offer and overnight stay request. I always end up with enough to keep my bed full.

One thing I suggest for the OP is to lower your quality control from the pics. Many girls will post very modest pic/pics knowing they have body image issues. When you meet them they will be trying so much harder to impress you and to perform.

Personally I don't bother to contact or respond to the stunners. They are going to ask stupid price

I agree 100% with you @CumShot. Spot on. From my own experience, the stunners are usually the dud ones in bed.

[ditchtheboss]

I agree 100% with you @CumShot. Spot on. From my own experience, the stunners are usually the dud ones in bed.

Agree with both. In my experience it is better to go with the ones who look average but are horny in bed. The stunners ask for too much money, often don’t perform and have a sense of entitlement like they are doing us a favour. I see sugaring as I am adding as much value in the arrangement as the girl is. That seems to work for me

[Riff888]

Hahahaha I hear you guys but there's plenty of stunners out there with low self esteem or daddy issues.

Either that or they love money and are easy.

Most will lower the price if you counter offer, just promise them the world and say you want to see them all the time.

Like I told one girl I'll buy her a YSL bag for her birthday. I did get her one, but it was a grade A copy from HK that was $200. I lost contact with that one now, she's Taiwanese, so she probably found out it was fake 🤣

[andrewv]

Hahahaha I hear you guys but there's plenty of stunners out there with low self esteem or daddy issues.

Either that or they love money and are easy.

Most will lower the price if you counter offer, just promise them the world and say you want to see them all the time.

Like I told one girl I'll buy her a YSL bag for her birthday. I did get her one, but it was a grade A copy from HK that was $200. I lost contact with that one now, she's Taiwanese, so she probably found out it was fake ��

Hillarious -- good on you for buying a fake YSL handbag because the genuine article must be around $6,000 and that is far too much to get laid. It was worth trying (with a $200 version). She might have fallen for it (or liked it)...

[Riff888]

Hillarious -- good on you for buying a fake YSL handbag because the genuine article must be around $6,000 and that is far too much to get laid. It was worth trying (with a $200 version). She might have fallen for it (or liked it)...

She did fall for it at first.
These fakes come with everything, box, dust bad, serial number, receipt but no price on it, I didn't give her the receipt.

She probably had it evaluated for authenticity and found out it's fake.

Had a friend bring me three different bags from HK.

Seriously, I can't tell the difference.

[GoldfishMan]

Hillarious -- good on you for buying a fake YSL handbag because the genuine article must be around $6,000 and that is far too much to get laid. It was worth trying (with a $200 version). She might have fallen for it (or liked it)...

$6k for a YSL bag even for the proper branded one is way too much, bro. That brand goes on sale fairly often. They usually go for price range of AUD 1500 - 5000 RRP, and you'll be a real mug to be paying the full price for the 5k one.

I bought one for my then GF from a YSL shop once, paid some where between 1 - 2k for it, full price. Yep, went home, did some research and just banged my head on the wall for being a stupid dick.

Sure enough, the fricking metal "beard" thing on the bag (nice touch from a design perspective btw) came loose and dropped out within 1 year! Thankfully my ex was very handy with super glue and put it back together. God bless her...

[andrewv]

She did fall for it at first.
These fakes come with everything, box, dust bad, serial number, receipt but no price on it, I didn't give her the receipt.

She probably had it evaluated for authenticity and found out it's fake.

Had a friend bring me three different bags from HK.

Seriously, I can't tell the difference.

Same thing happens with Rolex and other fancy brand watches. The copies have become very very close to the real stuff.

[CumShot]

Like I told one girl I'll buy her a YSL bag for her birthday. I did get her one, but it was a grade A copy from HK that was $200. I lost contact with that one now, she's Taiwanese, so she probably found out it was fake ��

In the SB game there are many promises.

a) Birthday gift promise. First find out when is her birthday. If it's >4 months, chances are she wont be around anyway, so go big. within the next week, be careful on your promises.

b) Ongoing weekly allowance. I am always wiling to discuss this and pay it weekly. Simply paid each time she fucks me each week. If she skips a catch up then the allowance is automatically skipped. This allows me to access the "allowance" seekers while effectively engaging them on PPM. In reality I'm sure most of the SB scene runs on PPM. It so neatly comes to an end when she doesn't make herself available. I avoid all types of 'automated or payment in advance options.

[JSteel96]

In the SB game there are many promises.

a) Birthday gift promise. First find out when is her birthday. If it's >4 months, chances are she wont be around anyway, so go big. within the next week, be careful on your promises.

b) Ongoing weekly allowance. I am always wiling to discuss this and pay it weekly. Simply paid each time she fucks me each week. If she skips a catch up then the allowance is automatically skipped. This allows me to access the "allowance" seekers while effectively engaging them on PPM. In reality I'm sure most of the SB scene runs on PPM. It so neatly comes to an end when she doesn't make herself available. I avoid all types of 'automated or payment in advance options.

Yes most SB run on PPM. On your point A my regular has never revealed her birthday to me. On the plus I save money not buying her a present

[BigPedro666]

It's just high end escorts. Some semi pro or it's a sideline, but many full time.

[kaos]

I've sampled both sides of the fence - visiting shops, higher end privates (for my non Asian fixes) and SB.

Each is a great way to enjoy a great shag (or not, if they are a dud), and can send you broke if you aren't disciplined.

It's a bit like cricket - some prefer test matches, some like one dayers, some T20s. Different prices and time commitments for each. I like them all!

[jt82]

It's all fun and games with SBs until you catch feelings.

[JSteel96]

It's all fun and games with SBs until you catch feelings.

No probs if you get the feels for an SB just marry her. At least you should get good daily BJs

[andrewv]

There is never any feelings in sugar arrangements. Only fools fall in love or get attached.
The basic reason is the age gap. These SB girls are only in it for the cash, and they just want to choose which man to fuck, rather than work as ML/WL and must take all punters.

Younger men (say under 40) do not need to pay for it using seeking.com and similar sites, because the dating apps like tinder have dozens of women looking to get laid without any payment. Maybe a meal if you go overboard (say $100 to $300 in food and drinks).

[JSteel96]

There seems to be a large number of younger guys these days who fall in love with a WL they seem to get hooked on them and forget the girl just wants the money. Times have changed its no longer fuck and forget but more so can't forget her. Some of these WLs are very good at seducing guys. In reality if you married a WL could you satisfy her ongoing money requirements?

[personaa]

There is never any feelings in sugar arrangements. Only fools fall in love or get attached.
The basic reason is the age gap. These SB girls are only in it for the cash, and they just want to choose which man to fuck, rather than work as ML/WL and must take all punters.

Younger men (say under 40) do not need to pay for it using seeking.com and similar sites, because the dating apps like tinder have dozens of women looking to get laid without any payment. Maybe a meal if you go overboard (say $100 to $300 in food and drinks).

I always see young guys in their 20s in most shops, I'm not sure the claim that young guys do not need to pay for sex is always the case. Have seen plenty of handsome young Asian at 42G and also Caucasians in other shops.

Millenials are very different in their approach to sex, in fact unlike the general assumption that they are having plenty of sex due to rise of Tinder etc, the reality is quite different. If anyone likes to read then this article is quite interesting:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ession/573949/

[ditchtheboss]

There seems to be a large number of younger guys these days who fall in love with a WL they seem to get hooked on them and forget the girl just wants the money. Times have changed its no longer fuck and forget but more so can't forget her. Some of these WLs are very good at seducing guys. In reality if you married a WL could you satisfy her ongoing money requirements?

There is another perspective which from my perspective has been worse from falling for a WL, it is being close friends with one. I am close friends with a WL, it started after a while of being her regular, we always got along, and she offered to go clothes shopping with me because apparently I have no style. I was taken aback as at that time it never occurred to me to met them outside the shop. I also thought that was just a customer engagement strategy to keep me as a regular. Long story short we became friends, good friends. The problem with that is that good friends share and she shares her mental and physical struggles with me. Now i am a sensitive kind of guy and I care for my friends so when she shares things it breaks my heart. It is hard to hear the things they go through. The other side of the coin one can say is that it is her choice. She could find another job and she chooses not to. Whatever the reason is we are not to judge our friends we are to support each other.

In my experience being friends, close friends, with these WLs is worse than being in a relationship having been there.

Before anyone asks I don’t get sex with her for free and whilst I haven’t seen her in the brothel for s few months we are still a friends.

[grant]

Firstly can we please not acknowledge the bait posts by rooter? All due respect for his tenure and regular reports on Aus99 but in every sugar thread, he will inevitably make a post (multiple sometimes) about how he doesn't understand why we all don't just head to a shop for a punt. We all know why we're looking for a sugar arrangement and anyone who is curious about it can use the search function or google. Let's not clog up the thread.

Further general obs:

• A 27yo asian SB mentioned that she was having a rough time finding decent men. Apparently 90% of profiles don't have photos and are super vague about what they want, preferring to hide their cards and suss out what the SB wants. So the way to stand out is clear: upload some decent photos (blur or crop your face if needed) and be forward about what you're looking for. Regardless of what you want to call them - sugarbabies, escorts, normal girls looking to be paid for dates and sex, whatever - these women are selective about the men they fuck so you need to be convincing by being good looking, charming and/or generous.
• Vast majority of these girls are not very responsive. They will take half a day to a day to respond to messages so progress is slow.
• More a personal observation: I seem to tend to reach out to asian SB's (in the minority) than cauc or latina SB's. Partially a preference in sexual partner, but I suspect also a bias developed from punting that caucs and latinas would ask for more so I don't bother engaging. I should make a more concerted effort to properly engage caucs and latinas to see how it develops.

Potentials:

• 21yo Jap girl from Tokyo (continued) - she cancelled our initial meet 1hr beforehand as her family apparently arranged a surprise bday party. Supposedly available all of next week but we'll see.
• 27yo asian local (referred to above) - comes across cultured and intelligent, but very plain in the face department: narrow eyes, no double eyelids, freckles (I suspect ABK). Was looking for a voyeur to pay to watch her fuck another guy (no thank you)
• 24yo petite asian, I suspect local 9-5'er. Lives with her family so unable to host but down for $500ppm. Have arranged a drink to check the vibe and see how we go.
• 19yo tall alt-looking pinay. Despite 'doing 600 in the past... 500 seems reasonable' (definitely following a SB script she found online). Currently trying to arrange a drink with her but slow to respond.
• 27yo westie asian who hits all the physical notes for me: slim, A-B cups and an ass with some meat! Profile suggests she's mainly looking for interesting conversations but when I mentioned I was looking for intimacy she responded with "the way to the heart is always food". Still only looking for a coffee to check the vibe first, then possibility of dinner and maybe more.

Meet:

29yo Asian (could get a straight answer on her ethnicity). Petite with a cute little nose and skinny thighs. The only one I've met irl and is new to sugaring, has had three bf's and only met with two other SD's who both turned out to be creeps. This sweet little thing offered to pay for my beer at the pub because I got dinner. We got to talking about intimacy and I get the feeling she has not climaxed before. May hit the jackpot if I give her the most romantic and passionate fuck of her life. Looking to meet later this week and excited despite her insisting on CFS. To be continued.

This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

As for the sex, we warmed up with a lot of passionate kissing (which she's great at). Seduced her with kisses down her neck and onto her B cup tits were met with very positive vocal affirmation. Went down on her absolutely TINY shaved pussy which she was very into. She was concerned about my size when we met for dinner as I'm a tall guy and she was apparently 'small' (Confirmed!). She was very tight, as getting two fingers in was a struggle. As she was about to climax she pushed me off as she was getting 'sensitive'. Unsure if this girl knows what an orgasm is and I was pretty disappointed she wanted me to stop early.

I put the dom on and lubed her up and struggled to get in in missionary. She really struggled initially with my size but did get kind of used to it eventually, as she started thrusting to match my shallow strokes. As she was so keen on thrusting I got her to into CG where I finished in the dom soon after (she is so tight).

Unfortunately that was the end of it, as she had some abdominal pain (I may have bruised her cervix). I asked her about a second round and she wasn't into it so we left it at that. I did notice some blood on the dom but unsure if she was on her period or if I may have hurt her with my size. A little frustrated she didn't let me warm her up properly to give penetrative sex a better chance.

Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.