How badly have I screwed my chances with this girl?

I think you should send her my way. That will make sure she works out what she is missing with you and she will come running back!!! :grimace:

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Originally Posted by random_p

well, that's the thing, in my opinion it is precisely because this girl's feeling can change over time that, unlike those of us who think in black & white terms ("Yes, I'm interested so I'll keep pursuing", or "No, I'm not interested so I'll stop all contact with her"), she may have stayed in the picture in order to see what else she liked about you.

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If that's right, then looks like I screwed it up with the pen. Who would've thought a fucking pen...

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Originally Posted by GoldfishMan

Bro rage_face, I reckon you probably had a very good chance with this girl at some point, but you didn't go for it simply because you were not really into her in the first place. The fact that you can say she's only OK looking in your OP shows that. Since you were not actively trying to get her, you didn't put in the extra effort to impress her during that time when she was interested in you. Only one hand was trying to clap at that time, you see what I'm saying bro?
So she decided to moved on from you as a bf candidate and try another guy. In other words, bro, you were "friend zoned" before you knew it.
What you are feeling now is just doubt. You're doubting your subconscious decision not to go for this girl because you are feeling lonely or horny or that you "missed out". In fact, your subconscious mind is still pulling the strings: if you really had the hots for her, why would you need advice from your friend before taking decisive action?
So my opinion is, it's not really a loss for you because you didn't really want her anyway, and that is probably still the case. You just don't know it.

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Bro, even though at first I didn't think much of her appearance, as time went along I started falling for her. I was putting in the effort, bu trying to stay cool at the same time. I think I may have gone from one extreme to another...

No need to answer those redundant 7 questions.

She is not that into you. She appreciate your friendship. that's all. move on and you know what, there are tons of single girls out there =)

Stop dwelling in the past Rage if she did not contact you back with in two weeks than its time to moe on.

Without a doubt she is in a relationship but just wants a little attention from you...
win her heart or walk away

Man you sound just like my friend, he was studying with this chick and having lunches and sh*t.
She bought him champagne for his bday too, although she didn't come to his bday.
He'd known her for a few months already and all I said to him was:

Ya gotta get off your arse and make a move cause friend zones are not a myth.

Also she might be just the bubbly and friendly type and you're reading too much into it ;)

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Originally Posted by jediknight4ever

Man you sound just like my friend, he was studying with this chick and having lunches and sh*t.
She bought him champagne for his bday too, although she didn't come to his bday.
He'd known her for a few months already and all I said to him was:

Ya gotta get off your arse and make a move cause friend zones are not a myth.

Also she might be just the bubbly and friendly type and you're reading too much into it ;)

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lol at members who join in March 2012 and make their first post more than 2 years later

you must be a regular using a secret account

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Originally Posted by Good_guy_Greg

lol at members who join in March 2012 and make their first post more than 2 years later

you must be a regular using a secret account

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Those are called foundation members mate !

Some of them never posted in the forum but rather active with PMs though !!

Cheers

If i have her number. i will call her whenever i want to talk with her. If she saw my missed call record and not call back to me. i will delete the number.

I like rage guy. He has good heart to thinking about girl. also the girl has good heat too. If she look just ok and nothing talent, what you expect with her? maybe i understand!

If she looks 100% hot and personality is shit. i might want to try to get her!:cool2:

If she ugly and she has good heart. I will stay as friend or juts say hello to the girl( like a kiosk lady or MX lady)

If she has ok face and ok personality. better not touch the girl! you can ask her to introduce her friend:cool2:

from next time. you should get mobile and facebook same time! you will know more about her.It's easy to understand what style of the person's and what she interest in ......

You build up your own expectations before you even ask her out. Stop the obsessive behavior because most girls find that creepy

1. How bad have I fucked up and what are the chances that I could recover from this?

zero chance. She may have felt something for you once but she sure doesn't anymore. It sounds like she isn't as fond of you as a friend anymore either (because of your pressure and ultimatums probably)

2. If I want to recover, should I wait for her to contact me, or should I wait a long time before contacting her?

Please do not contact her anymore.

3. Does anyone think she would initiate contact, or am I as good as dead?

I doubt she will ever contact you again but she sounds like a really nice person so if she accidently crossed paths with you at some point in the future im sure she would be friendly and not hold a grudge

4. Do you think an engraved pen is too personal?

yes that was a silly and inappropriate gift

5. Do you think it never occurred to her that I liked her before the pen? For me, if a guy asks a girl out, picks her up, pays for the meal, drives her home, that's a pretty good indication that he likes her. Especially if this keeps happening.

yes I think she probably suspected. Asking a friend to social events and offering them lifts is something friends do for other friends. But she probably knew you had ulterior motives when you insisted on always paying for her meals.

6. Does it sound like she liked me at any point in time? Or was it just friends all along?

Impossible to say really. It sounds like she liked you a lot as a friend at one point. Most girls like to be friends before they even consider a relationship. You kept pushing her for a relationship without letting nature take its course and so now you have neither

7. Did I do the right thing by not even wanting to be friends? I honestly couldn't see how we could maintain being friends after telling her I liked her.

no.

Also, would like to hear people's similar experiences about recovering from situations like these.

there is no recovery from this. She sounds like a lovely girl. she offered you her friendship and you spurned it. Please leave her alone now.

Just visit Ginza and be done with it.