If you see her at the shop won't you be cheating on her :)Quote:
Originally Posted by loaded
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If you see her at the shop won't you be cheating on her :)Quote:
Originally Posted by loaded
LOL. Not really cause it's not serious or exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by CunningLinguist
There is no set rules in any oh these brother as every brother is different and each to his own and many WLs has their own various circumstances too, basically there is no rule IMHO !Quote:
Originally Posted by loaded
But basic human decency and respects and generousity will always go a long way !
Enjoy it while you can, either inside the shop or the dating outside !
By the way, when you said casual relationship does that mean sexually with no money involved ?
If so, then may be best Not to see her in the shop as it may complicate things !
If the casual relationship doesn't involve sex than no harm keep seeing her in the shop until you move up to the next level !
Again, only the two persons involved here can be the best judge on their own affairs , just my two cents.
Cheers
Thanks for the advice...I assume it's sex without payment, otherwise we'd just be friends and we confirmed its more than friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
I’ve had my fair share of experience dating ML’s. I’m certainly not a ML ‘sniper’ (haha this made me laugh) and don’t look to exclusively date or ‘hunt’ ML as such but over the past six or seven years I’ve had relationships with three ML’s, all Thai. My main reason for going to massage joints is due to a lack of time. Visiting a ML is relaxing and an easy way to get your rocks off so for me it’s a hell of a lot easier and time efficient than playing around with Tinder, visiting other online websites or hanging out in bars.
The first ML I dated was Natalie from Oasis (also Leichardt/Artarmon). We dated for about four months before I discovered sites like this and realised she was sucking/fucking every second customer she saw. I decided then that I’d just use the situation purely for sex (which was incredible), this lasted for about another two months. I then became aware that she was also using me and her sole motive was to find herself an Aussie bf so she could obtain a permanent visa and this was confirmed when she started to arrange for me to meet her family, was taking loads of photos and then wanted us to set up a joint bank account, all for Immigration purposes. When it got to this point I finally broke it off.
The second ML I dated was also from Oasis and was named Lisa. Lisa was middle aged, for a ML, had a fair amount of money saved so was working in a massage joint for a bit of spare cash but also the fun/exhilaration of it. She didn’t last long in the business maybe only five or six months. We started seeing each other and ended up having a casual sexual relationship for about a year and half. Lisa was an amazing girl to hang out, she became a great mate who just happen to also let me fuck her, it was the perfect situation for the both of us at the time. I miss those days. She went back to Thailand for a year and we meet up briefly for a drink when she came back but I was dating another girl by then.
The third ML I dated is still in the business so for privacy reasons I won’t reveal her parlour or name but she often gets mentioned on this forum. She was a lovely girl, really sweet in nature and came out to Australia following her siblings and due to her limited English skills and need to support the rest of her family back home became a ML. We dated for almost a year and appeared to be in love or at least I was. I’ve previously posted about the way it ended, which wasn’t good but at the time this is the girl I thought I could see myself having a future with.
I guess what I have taken away from these experience is that every ML is in the business for different reasons just like I’m sure there are many different reasons and circumstances as to why we visit rub and tugs in the first place. If you are going to date a ML my advice is to make sure you know what you want out of the relationship and make it crystal clear to the girl upfront. She may then tell you it’s not what she wants and ends it but you will avoid a lot of hassle down the road. It’s standard advice really. You also have to be comfortable with the fact that the girl makes her money getting guys off, with her being naked and felt up most of the time!
Apologies for the long post, feels good to tell my experiences though...
I have dated a few working ladies in my time one I dated for ten years she stopped working after about two years but I kept seeing her privately after she gave up working she was great but it came to an end.
I have dated a few others they have been great at first but in the end the they didn't last.
about 5 years ago I had a ~4 year on and off again fling with a Thai WL by the name of Win / Chanel at the old 133 (is that right??) Erskine St shop. I first saw her at a private apartment in Bathurst st where she called herself Chanel. She'd just come off a long-term jet-setting lifestyle relationship with a married sugar daddy that spent most of his life travelling and could afford to take is 'partner' with him... Don't know why that relationship failed exactly - but 'Chanel' was clearly struggling without the income she was accustomed to... I'm quite sure I wasn't the only guy with the privileges I received , but 'Chanel' (I won't use her real name as she's happily living in sydney today with her children and a payout from a divorce settlement!) wanted the company as well as the cash and at the time I had a partner overseas and plenty of time on my hands - so we practically lived together for around a year.
Things cooled off a little as she was keen to earn more and after several months hiatus I got a call in the morning asking for urgent help... I was already on my way into town so I stopped by her flat to find she had miscarried! -fuck! thank god I knew it wasn't my kid! anyway I helped her clean herself up and we bundled ourselves into a cab and headed off to North Shore hospital. She was checked in for a couple of days and thankfully they took really good care of her- she was a mess...
Within months after that episode we stayed in touch -but purely platonically and suddenly she announced her marriage and a year later kid # 2 arrives and by year 3 the divorce was settled and she managed to keep a flat, and majority custody, support, income + schooling for the second kid. I sincerely hope the other bloke who fell for her can afford all this, she pulled a master stroke and I'm just glad I either -a/didn't fall for her more than he did b/ I wasn't wealthy enough to attract her to that degree and c/ I held enough trust with her that she decided not to pick on me... either way this episode burned some serious memories into my brain and I doubt I'll ever forget it.
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Originally Posted by Van_Allen
Natalie.....ooops, I am sorry Van_Allen....you may have been getting my sloppy seconds or vice versa.
Seems Natalie really did spread the love around. She was great and I have many fond memories of her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Crash and Burn
Crash and Burn & Ramjet - It's all good brothers, Natalie was the first ML I dated and I quickly caught on to what her true motives were. I also have fond memories of her. She was such a sexual being and up for ANYTHING. Good times :)
The one time I "dated" a WL was when I took her for a drive out to Blue Mountains (she had never been west of Parramatta). Showed her some awesome views (which she loved), had some great food and guided her through Scenic World at Katoomba as well (she also loved the train ride there). Then took her back to Darling Harbour for a night at the Four Points.
This is where it went downhill :(
She developed a rash from the carpet and... well long story short I thought from her reactions in the morning she never wanted to see me again.
1 year later and she contacted me to say she was going home and would I like to visit her. I did and it was nice. We talked and she told me that liked to see me in the shop, but not outside.
Oh well...
I will just have to visit her a few more times before October... ;)
I think the day may have been too big. At least six hours tough mountainous suburban driving thhere and back. It is suburbs all the way to Katoomba and back. Plus sight seeing, and lunching and then attempting a whole night out back at Darling Harbour. That might have caused her rash breakout.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglyphil
Maybe if you drive like Miss Daisy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sextus
It was a long day, but she had a great sleep in the car on the way back, and it was her decision to go out to dinner and then the movies. Not sure how a long day can cause a rash, but then I am not a doctor.. you?
In any case, it all worked out. She had a great time and so did I. We found out we are not compatible outside of a shop situation, yet inside the shop...
All goooooooooodddd :D
So an update to my situation.
The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.
So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.
That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.
She didn't text back for a few days.
I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.
Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.
Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.
Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.
It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.
I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:
1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.
I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).
I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.
I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.
She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).
I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.
Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.
Definitely sounds like tough going. I think you should give her some space. You can't force it...if it's going to happen it will.Quote:
Originally Posted by z3335526
No matter how much we want things...sometimes they just don't happen.
I'm sorry bro but what you are describing is just not attractive behavior for a man. You said it yourself even she can just see the desperation and that will turn girls off straight away. I've been there as would have most guys. They tend to call it one-itis.
I would recommend stop trying to see her outside the shop. Also only see her once every two weeks or however long you can go. I don't know if you've heard of the idiom "absence makes the heart grow fonder" but it's true.. though with ML's it's a little different.
You mentioned she was popular, so can you imagine how many guys have the same idea you have and go about it the same away. Also how many times she would have given her number out. These super hot popular ML's are ruthless, never forget it. Not saying that's a bad thing either it's just the reality of being a hot girl in general but especially in this industry. This girl definitely knows her sexual worth and how to use it.
Do you want to know your biggest mistakes? You wear your heart on your sleeve. You are expecting too much, you shouldn't expect anything. You are giving away your attention mostly and somewhat money too easily, therefore you aren't a challenge to the girl but to be fair it is an uphill battle with an ML to begin with. Which puts you in your current status where she prefers you as a harmless customer a real "nice" guy and not as a possible romantic interest which is what you want.
Unfortunately the "sniper" tactic" (focusing all your energy on one girl that you want to date or w/e) in terms of a sexual mating strategy is probaly the worst and can cause you a ton of stress. You want to be investing your time and energy into multiple girls, so then you can choose the best one and don't come off needy to any of them.
This is one of the best "game" blogs on the internet. He does talk a lot of politics which turns a lot of people off but the advice about dealing with women is spot on.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-...ments-of-poon/
There is a simple and obvious reason why she treats you well inside the shop, you are paying for her time!!Quote:
Originally Posted by z3335526
Clearly she knows you want to go out with her and she knows how to contact you. If she wants to see you outside the shop, she will let you know.
You should tell us which shop she is at so that we can get a better understanding of what she is like and maybe we can help you with better advice.
See another girl in the same shop, stop communicating with her.
If she shows initiative to contact you then she might be interested. Otherwise, she's just tagging you along stroking her ego
Sorry to say this but looks like she just wants to keep it within the shop otherwise she would have made an effort to see you outside. And of course she treats you like a king everytime you see her at shop it's her job. You are paying for her time and service. I say forget her and move on to another girl, I know it'll be hard to let go since you're now emotionally attached to her but you have to try. And like a previous poster mentioned she is popular at the shop so who knows how many other guys are trying to meet her outside the shop. You have made your attempts, she obviously knows your intentions yet hasn't responded. It's time to move on.
Dude she is just stringing you on so you keep paying, sorry mate, time to move on.
A word of advice, enjoy your time with a WL/ML, fall in love, get lost in the moment, but once the time is up come back to reality and forget about her, you can cherish the feeling but you have to learn to divorce the feeling from the actual girl, she is paid to make you feel good, and she wants you to come back so she can make more money. Remember GFE is not real, some experienced punters still get confused by it (Eg. Max Impact).
Sometimes a WL/ML will really like you, and it will be obvious, (she might give you free mindblowing extras, ask you to take her out, or be direct and ask you to be her boyfriend, or tell you she loves you) then you can decide if you want to see her outside of the shop, but chasing a WL/ML like you are is bad form, demeaning to you, and no good will come of it.
My analogy is to treat the time you pay for like a movie, enjoy it, immerse yourself in it, but when the time is up it is over.