Gents, how much are you paying these days for FS with a ML?
Are you paying an extra $100 on top of the $50 handjob tip? Or is it $100 in total for tips?
Cheers
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Gents, how much are you paying these days for FS with a ML?
Are you paying an extra $100 on top of the $50 handjob tip? Or is it $100 in total for tips?
Cheers
its usually $150 for FS.
Depends on the individual provider. MY ceiling is $150 total, but I know some that are lower. It's all about what her experience is worth to YOU that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobhappy888
AND, it's a FEE FOR SERVICE, not a tip.
Tip: for 30min. 120$ - for 45min. 150$ - for 60min. 180$ ... plus the shop money 55-65-75.
Can be maybe 20$ more but it depends how the session [ I am talking about 'Ginza service'] will go with the ml.
Don't spoil the field / ml.
Very few times [ only three / four times] ml disagree with my tip, so in those cases I had only massage.
95% of my sessions were / are almost 10 out of 10.
$120-$150 for 1hr
Depends on the time and the girl. As others state, no more than $150 for an hour.
So, for the initiated :
You pay $75 est 60 mins massage
Plus $50 NHJ
Plus $150 FS
Aggregate 60 mins $275?
$150 on top max.
Obviously should have read UNinitiated!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Abracadabra
So, is the NHJ an option and you can skip and go straight to FS?Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow_sub
Meaning : $75 + $150 = $225 .....sounds inexpensive??
My experience NHJ is part of FS so it's just $150 no extra $50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abracadabra
If paying extra on top of Fs is a rip off.
Although theres other extras that's separate like CIM,COF.
Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hourQuote:
Originally Posted by Abracadabra
Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS
Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".
Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).
Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS
$100 for FS with an ML is my absolute ceiling for me.
That wat a 60 minute session is around 150-170.
I don't know why in recent years people are paying $150 on top, those girls most be absolutely hot stuff.
I have only been convinced once to handover $150, and that was with Freya when she was at Merrylands and Top Ryde.
Well worth it.
Thanks Bro Bravo for the metaphorical explains lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 11Bravo
Someone from the other post said he would go to a proper brothel for the same $220-240 price.
Depends how you look at in. I always like a massage before get the car serviced.
Likewise. Some might be happy with a 30 minute oil change. Myself, I want the windshield cleaned, tire pressures checked (including the spare), and the interior vacuumed along with the oil change.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow_sub
Thanks Bravo ~ enjoyed the metaphors.Quote:
Originally Posted by 11Bravo
I think I'm latching onto this??
If I want to negotiate FS it will likely be $150 (on top of the base massage fee) and that also incorporates NHJ + oral, but how that NHJ/oral/FS roles out is up to punter/ML.
If ML rules FS out, a NHJ will be $50 and oral an extra $50 = $100.
It's the dark art!
Yeah I don't pay for FS anymore with ML. when it used to be $100 I was ok with that. but now its $150, I rather get a 30 mins session at Ginza for $180.
I've been experiment going to a proper Thai massage shop for $90 an hour, get a good massage for full 60 mins then popping over the Ginza for a 30 mins to finish off. usually this adds up to $270-$280.
A one hour massage plus FS is $290 and you only get 35mins of massage and 10 mins of FS....
Think about it boys. :)
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Originally Posted by Nelly69
Hi N69
I control the session 100%. Massage in my session is only max 10min. [ and that is, if I see the ml for first time] just for warm up and to know each other, then that is the path ... Tip: for 30min. 120$ - for 45min. 150$ - for 60min. 180$ ... plus the shop money 55-65-75.
-Can be maybe 20$ more but it depends how the session [ I am talking about 'Ginza service'] will go with the ml.
-Very few times [ only three / four times] ml disagrees with my tip, so in those cases I had only massage.
-95% of my sessions were / are almost 10 out of 10.
Therefore, almost never I go to shops that have inclusive rates, you know this 100-120-140, complicated staff is happening with this kind of set up most of the times.
wow NC3!!! you've just opened my punting eyes! of all my ML sessions, the massage time is always at least 50%... I never thought to control the session and only get 10mins massage time... mind blown...Quote:
Originally Posted by NC3
Generally speaking, you got it. I've had some offer FS for $100, others have asked me for a bid, others have said "Up to you". For the latter, BEFORE starting, I make a bid, maybe $120-$130. I NEVER leave the "up to you" open-ended. Too prone to bad feelings, especially as I'm prone to regulars. Likewise, the first price you pay will be the price you pay on subsequent visits. If it was good enough once (for both parties), then it should be good enough again. I refer to these as SERVICE FEES. I don't tip. My tip is repeat business. Tipping tends to lead to misunderstandings - why did you pay her xxx total last time, now only xxn this time (where n<x).Quote:
Originally Posted by Abracadabra
Myself, as I've mentioned before, I don't really negotiate. If she's below my ceilings ($100 for everything EXCLUDING FS, $150 FS which includes the NHJ and other stimulations), I don't try to negotiate her down. If she's OTT, I just POLITELY decline. Given that she makes her coin on the extras, IME, she'll make a counteroffer, or suggest a step down in class. If we can agree, fine. If not, then it'll be a long massage, but I can't remember that ever happening.
Don't assume the oral will be BB, C is frequent. If it's important, especially if the final destination, ask first. Don't expect CIM, ask.
All the above is very dependent on your targets' demographics. Given mine are "older", increases my chance at success. She appreciates the business, I appreciate the expertise. I've been around long enough I'm not really looking for a string of new notches on my belt - hell, it has enough trouble holding up my pants in the first place.
Bottom line: just understand YMMV. In a brothel, she doesn't "really" have a choice, it will be FS. It RnT, up to her.
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Originally Posted by Nelly69
I think is common sense. You manage the session and the ml will follow you, in case she is going to disagree with the whole 'script' [ rarely can happen] then stay only with the massage.
Therefore as I said, almost never I visit shops with inclusive rates because inclusive rates it means that you have pre-paid for service [ nhj ] that maybe you will not want to do in case there is not connection with the ml.
so simple ...
p.s. I have said many times in this forum, Ginza service GS- Ginza rates GR can be your guide. Never accept to pay more or even the same [that you are paying at G] in any massage shop.
spoil the field / ml is not good idea.
Nice summary, bro. One thing though... While the FS fee should basically "unlock" all services, I personally do not go for FS once oil is applied to my dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by 11Bravo
I once made a mistake of changing my mind mid-NHJ and decided to go for FS. The ML needed to clean my dick with cold wet wipes just to be able to put on a condom. BBBJ was out of the question because of the oil.
I reckon if you really wanted bang for your buck and absolutely need to have all services, I'd recommend getting the NHJ last.
IME, the ML will be fiddling with my dick as she's trying for an up-sell, but doesn't apply oil until it's confirmed that a NHJ is as far as we'll go. Unless I'm there for edging, or I've made a mistake in the selection, I rarely fly economy. At a minimum, it's business, or first. In either case, oil will be left in the bottle. Nice thing about regulars, we both know why I'm there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishMan
Went to SBM recently & one of the girls wanted 150 for FS. I turned her down. Too much. Settled for the NHJ instead which was included.
And THAT'S the problem with the inclusive shops. Girls geared to FS=$150 in their hand, but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price as it's stuck in the till at the desk. At these inclusive shops, MY ceiling is +$100 FS.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColesBag