A truly sensational and transformational budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe.
No more free benefit lunches, no more public servants in meaningless tax-payed jobs,
and reduced tax-payer funding to the ABC and SBS.
And the tiny $7 payment for visiting a doctor will rightly fund medical research.
Well done Joe Hockey, for taking the first courageous step in a very necessary journey.
And you're such a cuddly teddy bear too Joe.
Yeah baby.....
Here here
bring to deficit from 50B to 2B within a few years so we won't collapse like those european countries such as Spain with 25% unemployment. I hope those 18-25 yo girls unemployed can come to sydney and work as WL
I only hope when we are once again in surplus the extra taxes put on to achieve this come off again, dreaming I know but it is the working people that build this country only to have politicians abuse it.
There are no extra taxes the government said they would not increase taxes before they were elected.
So its all in your mind this government would not break a promise that would be the same as accepting a bottle of wine and forgetting all about it!
Great minds think alike, I can well imagine there'll be a significant increase in "eager beavers."Quote:
Originally Posted by paulgallen
After going on about Gillard's broken promise the last few years this budget seems more than a little ridiculous.
"On the eve of the 2013 federal election Tony Abbott promised no cuts to education, health, or the ABC and SBS, and no changes to pensions. Fairfax Media looks at how those promises fared in the Abbott government's first budget.
Broadcasting
“...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget.
Education, health
“No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade.
“We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013)
All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks.
Taxes
“No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012)
The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000.
Pensions
"No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation.
Foreign Aid
“From 2014/15, the $5 billion aid budget will grow each year in line with the Consumer Price Index” (Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, January 2014)
The Treasurer revealed foreign aid would be frozen, leading to a massive $7.6 billion cut over next 5 years.
Indigenous affairs
"The Coalition will continue the current level of funding expended on Closing the Gap activities." (Coalition policy document, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget cut $500 million through the consolidation of 150 programs.
Environment
‘‘ARENA will have over $2.5 billion in funds to manage." (Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane, November 2013)
The ARENA (the Australian Reneweable Energy Agency) has been axed.
"The Coalition will promote the use of solar energy by Australian families and households. It will ensure at least one million additional solar homes or community centres by 2020." (Greg Hunt, December 2011)
Tuesday's budget scrapped the government's Direct Action policy to fund rebates for the installation of solar panels and deliver 1 million solar roofs. "
And for all Hockey's talk about how we all have to help with the heavy lifting, it seems that the weakest, oldest and most vulnerable have to help the most.
Even Clive Palmer is against it and hit the nail on the head when he said, "First of all it's based on the fact that they say our debt is out of control. If you get the OECD figures you see Australia has got 12 per cent of its GDP in debt. The average for the OECD of all our advanced economies is 73 per cent.
"There is no debt crisis so this is an excuse to have an ideological budget, one that can hit people that they don't like." And that it's a "cruel & heartless budget.’’
Who cares, at least they will run the country properly. Most people that will pay the $7 don't even pay medicare. It's any wonder why everyone wants to move here because you can be a dole bludger, get a free uni degree and never pay off your debt. The biggest mistake Abbott made was speaking during the election. He didn't need to speak to win that election against that wanker Rudd. It is annoying that people who earn big money pay but someone has to. Way too many people living in this country who don't pay tax and feel that they deserve everything for free.
Which people would they be?
Dude, everybody will pay the $7. Are you saying most people don't pay the Medicare levy?Quote:
Originally Posted by henry
$7 may be nothing to a lot of us but for people trying to pay for rent, bills, food and kids, that will be enough to stop them seeing a dr. Then their health problems will get worse and end up costing more to treat.
Taxes are the price we pay for civilization. If we don't look out for the weakest and most vulnerable it may as well be every man for himself.
This is probably the budget pain we have to have after 7 years of Labour miss management !
Most of the items will get through the senate, some will be fine tuned and whatever we end up getting, be grateful that this is probably the worst of the next two !
By the time the Australian people get to the polls again we should be in much better shape than the time we kicked out Rudd!
And that will be a good time to look at raising the GST and give the low and middle income earner a decent tax cut!!
There are so many people and companies that pay shit all in tax, only the GST will get something out of this lot and that's a good thing !!
On a punting industry point of point , everytime we pay to get a fuck or RnT , that cash economy and never get taxed, some of the WLs and MLs are also on Centerlink benefits while in fact they earn more money than you and I , so hell yes, let them pay the $7.00 co payment , let them pay more on petrol and better sooner than later let them pay more GST .
And the same can be said to all the tax cheats and dole cheaters!
Just my two cents
Cheers
Simple answer to this.
in 3 -4 years time
Will you still be employed
Most of you are single so 90% of it won't hurt you.
You don't have dependants or things to pay off. - If you do well your lucky. But look at the other 70% who don't see hookers and are stuck in marriage maybe see 1 hooker a year if they are game.
When it comes in the next few years. Lets see who's still happy and who can still punt flat out because you have plenty of free money to spend?
These budgets never really effect those with enough money to spend on well WL ? In normal situations but then again one global down turn, now a local national one. At least we might get more WL available.
But what about those around you. Agree or Disagree be silly enough to think you will benefit.
I know I won't because I haven't. In fact, unemployed for 2 years. never taken the dole and on Disability insurance.
I got lucky with hard work to have some rich white kid take it from me.
Yeah insurance they want to remove yet they can't because it's before Mr Obarrell fucked it so it I got lucky to point.
But I know they will do there best, to finally remove it and then what well I am semi -set. Even if I could get a job to suit I don't think working till 70 would apply. In fact I don't see the real workers of this country the people getting things done in the real world. Doubt they will work till 70. Nor can you pencil pushers or white collar types. Body is degrading by 60. Some of you might not have had it but you start to going blind at 35.
But enough about those who know they will feel it.
But I put it to you like this. When unemployment Goes up. So does crime and Drug Abuse.
Those most at risk, are the rest who work, and play and well who's first in fire line.
90% of these Brothels are EASY targets, FOR YOU.
So keep it mind.
Some of you are So stupid you drive cars recognizable with custom plates?
You can wear tracksuit pants and look poor but that $300 tag watch with give a quick hit to junky even if does have to stab you.
I'm no economist, but I believe if you think these cutbacks are all good, and they will surely work, you are kidding yourself !
Think about the chain reaction !
With the cutbacks, household expenditure will increase, spending power will decrease. Demands of goods and services will decrease, leading to the increase of unemployment, all sectors will be hurt. All these will lead to the drop of tax revenue. At the same time, they will have to pay unemployment benefits to those extra job loss, including those cutbacks of public servants, 17,000 jobs ? By then, they probably will blame the world's economy for not being able to reach the forecast reduction of the deficit.
After years of neglect, by the time Labour gets back in office, they'll have to fix education, hospitals, infrastructures, etc etc. more importantly, make money, not just save money, it'll start all over again, going in circle ...
Best thread for ages. Didn't know there were thinkers and intellectuals here
At last, the line in the sand has been drawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulgallen
The age of entitlement for every unproductive flag-waving "it's my right" twat is over.
Australia was becoming a hideous "nanny state," and borrowing huge sums of money in the process.
Benefits dependency and induced laziness is now over, and not before time.
Yeah baby......
If you go to school, you pay the school fees.
If you go to see a doctor, you pay the medical bill yourself.
When you retire, you should have set aside money when you were young to fund for your retirement.
Why should the government subsidise all these for you?
Yet, Aussies get all these concessions, benefits and help from the government thinking the government owe them a living. I am not referring to the hardworking Aussies but those lazy ones. Most of these ppl who take advantage of the system are the most unproductive bunch. We should be deploying resources for better usage such as increase marketing to attract tourists, foreign entrepreneurs/investors, build infrastructure etc. instead of directing resources to fund their living.
Ive heard stories whereby some of these ppl work in cash jobs while taking the dole and then they can still go overseas and spend taxpayers money for their holiday.
Ive also heard stories of ppl who pretend to be mentally challenged when they are not, so centrelink will deemed them as not fit to work so they can get the dole to spend on alcohol.
Im gen Y and I see most of the ppl who make the most of the system are the gen X and baby boomers. If this trend of national deficit continues, then we will have nothing but inherit all the debts and pay interests that the older generations have left us.
The financial well being of a country is like the financial statement of a company, if it is in red, it should be brought to black. Otherwise, it is not sustainable and if we go bankrupt, everyone loses.
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Originally Posted by royalflush
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The government don't subsidize all these for you, it's the social structure and the tax structure of a western country, they come from the tax everybody pays, it's not free !Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalFlush
You're probably too used to the system in Asian countries, they don't have to pay social security, but don't forget, they pay much lower tax !
Any system will be abused by some people, but there are people who genuinely need assistance, people who's been paying tax all their lives !
About unemployment benefits, we are lucky that we don't need it, but think about those who do ! Through no fault of their own, they lost their jobs and with a family to feed ...
I wouldn't say like ! Like ! Like !
Punters having their say at politics makes for entertaining reading!
Yeah baby, come to momma.......Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalFlush
And you come to momma too, sugar.Quote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
We all need to pay taxes and the same rules apply to everyone. Whether you are a student on minimum budget, or you start work earning $35K, or earning 6 digits salary, you just adapt and change your lifestyle accordingly, all these while, you pay tax according to the rules that apply to everyone. I dont think we should adopt a "what do I get in return?" mentality because it is the lifestyle that you choose to live that affects your life. For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilisno
If the social security is there, good; but we should not treat it as a given rather a bonus.
There are ppl who pays their fair share of the tax and there are ppl who dont. There are ppl who abuse the system and there are those who are self-sufficent. We cant say for everyone but at least as an individual we should do the right thing and not become a parasite to the society.
You've got it all wrong here, That's exactly what I said, we shouldn't think " What do I get in return " ! The Social Security system is there to help those who need it, we all contribute our share in terms of tax to make it work, and we shouldn't wish we can have a piece of the cake back. Hence we shouldn't envy those who receive assistance !Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalFlush
Only well to do people can have children ???Quote:
For example, if you arent so well to do, why have so many children and then blame the government for not helping them?
If the social security is there, good; but we should not treat it as a given rather a bonus.
There are ppl who pays their fair share of the tax and there are ppl who dont. There are ppl who abuse the system and there are those who are self-sufficent. We cant say for everyone but at least as an individual we should do the right thing and not become a parasite to the society
What if one only became poor after having children ? And a family in need doesn't have to have many children, a one child family still needs to be fed ! And don't forget, Australia is an aging country, we need young people to keep paying taxes when we get old !
As I said in the above post, all systems are subject to abuse, we can only device a way to deal with those abusers, but we can't abandon the fundamental principles of the social structure !
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Originally Posted by wilisno
I do believe only well-to do ppl can have children. If you manage to do moderately ok in this life and manage to buy yourself 2 houses; if you got 1 child, that one child inherits your 2 properties. If he does as well as you, then by retirement he has 4 properties, means his standard of living has increased and do not need govt assistance.
Now the problem with too many children, you need to divide your resources with them and when they grow up, they need the money to raise their own family and sometimes you even need to help them buy their properties.
If the one child family is self-sufficient, then there is no need for the system to support them
Well ! You can go to China, they have or had a one family one child policy there !Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalFlush
But my point is, Social Security is there to help those in need, even a one child family is a family in need. If every citizen waits till he has 2 houses or 4 houses to start having children, we will all be in big trouble ! By then, he might be too old to make baby already ! :miao:
Interesting to read fellow punters thoughts. It's quite entertaining.
Anyways, go Tony Abbott!!
I'm glad the age of entitlement is over for everyone... for the poor. All of us wealthy people only suffer temporary tax hikes, all you poor suckers suffer it permanently. Hahaha.
Fuel hikes, that kinda sucks but at least big business doesn't suffer. They get to keep their fuel excise subsidy because it's a 'business input'.
You can see quite clearly that this is a no broken promises budget. Remember its a damn levy not a tax. No not the same thing because even though they are both collected by tax office. I'm not going to get into the semantics of it all.
They are funding all of the education reforms for 4 years and then after that he will not fund anymore. Remember the states need to grow up and act like adults because our federal leaders are definitely behaving like mature old men. Abbott is the type of person that has values that I aspire too. His daughters have so much sex appeal and every word he says can definitely be trusted cause everything was fully costed before the election.
Luckily I don’t need health care WLs can take care of me just fine.
Young people are also lazy. Its great that they wont get a social safety net for 6 months. When my workplace suffered under the gfc the first that were let go were the young ones. Yes it was hard on them back then but if this policy was in place back then those young people would have grown so much more.
and please don't forget BUDGET EMERGENCY. That's why everyone needs to understand why we as a country need to pull our own weight and companies get a 1.5% tax cut.