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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1956 View Post
    Just wondering if there were any more reports on Cheekies at Toronto
    Worth the drive?
    Prices are very inflated. $170 half hour, $230 an hour. rough looking women atleast 40 that live in the rooms. Performance is average but probably what you would expect from a couple of average looking middle aged women. Certainly a lower standard to Ramjet's $200 handy

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    Newcastle Suzie

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    After numerous quick trips from Sydney up to Newcastle over the past year or so, I was finally able to line up my first ever punt up that way. I'd been lurking this thread on and off for info each time, but the first few trips either I didn’t end up with any spare time to punt, or I wasn't driving, or I'd decided just to wait till I was back in Sydney. I quickly realised after initial research that there are very few full service clubs up there, and all of those except for one have Western girls ('Discreet', 'Gentleman's Haven', '111', etc.) which aren't my preference. The only non-Western club 'Asian Star' didn't even have a mobile number to text for bookings - it was either call the landline to book, or walk-in. And there's not even a daily roster on the website. None of the profiles on the website struck me (FWIW, the same profiles are still on the website months after I first looked - I doubt that's the current talent pool) so I abandoned that approach and decided to check out the privates. After finding her profile on E&B and having made a mental note of all the positive reviews and tips for her on this forum, I settled on the infamous Suzie. Having driven up from Sydney on this trip, I was able to make the 25-minute drive from the main Newcastle area where I was staying out to her place in 'Blackalls Park' without issue.

    Texted her a few days before and the replies are surprisingly quick and I lock in a booking easily. I know with ML's that they will only go so far depending on the customer so I don't try and confirm specific services/pricing while texting (as much as I wanted to). It's the main reason I usually pay extra to go to full services clubs, because you know what you're going for. That, and cause you can fuck the entire booking rather than having to waste time on a massage if you don't actually want one. I accepted that I'll just be showing up and hoping that I'm not gonna be dropping money for a massage I don't want and nothing else.

    I pull up and park in the left-hand side of the driveway as directed by Suzie and immediately can see kids' toys strewn about the grassed yard and the inner courtyard, giving me my first round of second-thoughts. Through the open gate to the left and I knock on the door just inside the gate on the right. Suzie immediately opens the door to a very dimly lit room and greets me. A quick light french kiss upon entry. I'd read a tip from someone on this forum that she doesn't really engage in kissing much so I was pleasantly surprised to get this. Her face is a little bit less than what I was anticipating, but not bad. Not ugly, but nothing that would make heads turn. Profile says 27 but I'd estimate her to be early 40s. A few tooth gaps don't really help her case. She is polite and friendly from the get-go but. Now I'd read enough tips on Suzie to know what was coming next - I'm showered in compliments and flattery saying how young, handsome, fit I am etc. etc. It gets a little bit much, so I tactfully try and change the subject while we strip down, with Suzie removing her dressing gown to reveal a see-through gown underneath. I can see her big enhanced tits stuffed into a bra underneath that, but I can't see her ass just yet as her gown is too dark and there's not enough light in the room. It does feel nice when I give it a squeeze a few minutes later though. Before that, Suzie and I discuss exactly what I'm after and she tells me her rate for a massage, BBBJ addition (no CIM), and also covered full service addition. Thankfully the figure she gives me is no more than the amount that other punters on this thread have mentioned.

    A slight wave of relief washes over me now that the 'Will she, won't she' aspect is over. The forced flattery continues on while we exchange money, I get up on the massage table, and for the first few minutes of the massage, with me again tactfully changing the subject each time. The massage itself is fine, but nothing special. I don't gym much these days but I imagine it would feel a lot nicer for someone with sore gym muscles. Like I said, the massage wasn't the reason I was there. There's some relaxing synth/spa music playing which is a nice change from the pounding club music that gets blasted at most full service places. There's no teasing of my inner thigh at all while I was face down, despite her occasional quips and saying how she can't wait to suck and fuck me.

    A few minutes into the massage, she answers a phone call, speaking in her native tongue (sounded Vietnamese by my ear). It only went for 20 seconds and she continued massaging me with both hands, the phone cradled between her ear and shoulder. I wasn't overly phased by this. She removes her see-through gown shortly after and I get a good look at her body finally. An enhanced pair of tits pictured exactly like on her profile, a natural round ass with a few stretch marks, and a torso carrying a few extra kg's after a recent overseas trip. I run my fingers around from her ass to her crotch, and she lets out a comically loud moan when I touch her pussy lips from outside her panties. She removes her bra, stands at the top end of the table and sticks her boobs in my face. I lick at her nipples but she recoils and pulls them away instantly (?). Then, another phone call with this one sadly lasting about 3 or so minutes. She transitions to one hand half-way through, and then she stops massaging me entirely for a minute or so. Almost sounded like she was having an argument with the person on the other end of the phone. More second-thoughts were definitely swirling in the head now. Thankfully no more phone calls after this.

    I roll over and she climbs up on to the table to suck my cock. She starts out by going slow and soft. Even though she doesn't even really attempt to go deep on me, it still feels OK. But as she amps things up I start copping A LOT of teeth. I tolerate this for as much as I can before asking her where the condoms are. She doms me up with her mouth and sucks me for a little bit more with the dom on (I was praying the teeth wouldn't bust a hole in it) and then she positions herself to climb up on to the table. I'd had enough of lying up there like a medical specimen so I put the kibosh on this and asked if we could go down on to the low bed on the side, with her happily agreeing. Anyone who's seen her knows how uncomfortable that bed is. Anyone who hasn't been there (me) finds this out the hard way lol. You can feel the springs and the wooden panels sticking out, and the weight of two bodies is too much for the sagging centre area to take.

    Anyways, we start in cowgirl and it's OK but she changes her positioning every 10 seconds and doesn't get a rhythm going. She leans forwards and I lick and suck her nipples. She doesn't recoil straight away this time but she doesn't stick around for long before leaning back again. It's not amazing, so I ask if we can flip over into missionary. We switch and she urges me to stick it in her. I slowly glide in, but her pussy isn't overly tight so it's not long till I'm thrusting at normal depth and speed. She is vocal at first, moaning and saying how good it feels and to keep fucking her. She cums (or so she says) after a minute or two, but it's after this that she spends the remaining fucking time practically starfishing with no enthusiasm. I try to lean forward to build some intimacy but any attempt for even non-french kissing without tongue is abandoned quickly and she turns her head, kinda ruining the moment. I prop myself up onto my knees and plough away to basically silence from her. A third wave of second-thoughts fill my head at this point. We swap to spoon position for a quick minute but the bed sagging makes this too difficult, so quick swap again to doggie which gives a nice view of her arse. I ask her if FIA is OK, but I don't really understand her response. The tone of the response puts me off a bit so I decide against asking her to repeat herself and abandon the FIA idea. By this point I keep hearing the sounds of kids playing very close by outside while we were fucking. Not exactly sure where they were or if they were Suzie's kids or not, but it kinda put me off a bit.

    After a few more minutes in doggie with very minimal response and little to no enthusiasm, I pull the dom off and lay down. She straddles me and begins sucking and jerking me again. At the first instance of tooth this time, I ask her to just jerk me instead while licking my balls. This ball licking isn't very good though - more like poking tongue repeatedly(?). A few minutes later I cum, but sadly she slows down immediately as the first rope comes out, kinda ruining my orgasm. I quickly take my own dick into my hand and jerk the rest out myself, and I could see out of the corner of my eye that she looks a bit confused.

    She goes into the bathroom at the back of the room while I clean myself up, before I take her place in the bathroom for a shower. The second I see how gross the bathroom and shower are, I change my mind and decide to just shower back at the place I was staying at. I get dressed, with her telling me how she wants me to come back ASAP and how next time she will do cheaper for me cause of how handsome, young etc. I am. I'm polite in my response to her but I definitely don't feel as excited about that prospect as she is.

    Do I regret fucking her? No. Do I regret paying to fuck her? Yes. Will I be returning to her? No, one and done. Even if I lived in the Newcastle area and was able to visit her more often, I wouldn't be.

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    That is the first negative review that i can remember for Suzies. I am yet to visit her and appreciate your honest review. nice review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neveragain View Post
    https://www.escortsandbabes.com.au/P...ent/Suzie6996/

    *Disclaimer* - YMMV, as always

    After numerous quick trips from Sydney up to Newcastle over the past year or so, I was finally able to line up my first ever punt up that way. I'd been lurking this thread on and off for info each time, but the first few trips either I didn’t end up with any spare time to punt, or I wasn't driving, or I'd decided just to wait till I was back in Sydney. I quickly realised after initial research that there are very few full service clubs up there, and all of those except for one have Western girls ('Discreet', 'Gentleman's Haven', '111', etc.) which aren't my preference. The only non-Western club 'Asian Star' didn't even have a mobile number to text for bookings - it was either call the landline to book, or walk-in. And there's not even a daily roster on the website. None of the profiles on the website struck me (FWIW, the same profiles are still on the website months after I first looked - I doubt that's the current talent pool) so I abandoned that approach and decided to check out the privates. After finding her profile on E&B and having made a mental note of all the positive reviews and tips for her on this forum, I settled on the infamous Suzie. Having driven up from Sydney on this trip, I was able to make the 25-minute drive from the main Newcastle area where I was staying out to her place in 'Blackalls Park' without issue.

    Texted her a few days before and the replies are surprisingly quick and I lock in a booking easily. I know with ML's that they will only go so far depending on the customer so I don't try and confirm specific services/pricing while texting (as much as I wanted to). It's the main reason I usually pay extra to go to full services clubs, because you know what you're going for. That, and cause you can fuck the entire booking rather than having to waste time on a massage if you don't actually want one. I accepted that I'll just be showing up and hoping that I'm not gonna be dropping money for a massage I don't want and nothing else.

    I pull up and park in the left-hand side of the driveway as directed by Suzie and immediately can see kids' toys strewn about the grassed yard and the inner courtyard, giving me my first round of second-thoughts. Through the open gate to the left and I knock on the door just inside the gate on the right. Suzie immediately opens the door to a very dimly lit room and greets me. A quick light french kiss upon entry. I'd read a tip from someone on this forum that she doesn't really engage in kissing much so I was pleasantly surprised to get this. Her face is a little bit less than what I was anticipating, but not bad. Not ugly, but nothing that would make heads turn. Profile says 27 but I'd estimate her to be early 40s. A few tooth gaps don't really help her case. She is polite and friendly from the get-go but. Now I'd read enough tips on Suzie to know what was coming next - I'm showered in compliments and flattery saying how young, handsome, fit I am etc. etc. It gets a little bit much, so I tactfully try and change the subject while we strip down, with Suzie removing her dressing gown to reveal a see-through gown underneath. I can see her big enhanced tits stuffed into a bra underneath that, but I can't see her ass just yet as her gown is too dark and there's not enough light in the room. It does feel nice when I give it a squeeze a few minutes later though. Before that, Suzie and I discuss exactly what I'm after and she tells me her rate for a massage, BBBJ addition (no CIM), and also covered full service addition. Thankfully the figure she gives me is no more than the amount that other punters on this thread have mentioned.

    A slight wave of relief washes over me now that the 'Will she, won't she' aspect is over. The forced flattery continues on while we exchange money, I get up on the massage table, and for the first few minutes of the massage, with me again tactfully changing the subject each time. The massage itself is fine, but nothing special. I don't gym much these days but I imagine it would feel a lot nicer for someone with sore gym muscles. Like I said, the massage wasn't the reason I was there. There's some relaxing synth/spa music playing which is a nice change from the pounding club music that gets blasted at most full service places. There's no teasing of my inner thigh at all while I was face down, despite her occasional quips and saying how she can't wait to suck and fuck me.

    A few minutes into the massage, she answers a phone call, speaking in her native tongue (sounded Vietnamese by my ear). It only went for 20 seconds and she continued massaging me with both hands, the phone cradled between her ear and shoulder. I wasn't overly phased by this. She removes her see-through gown shortly after and I get a good look at her body finally. An enhanced pair of tits pictured exactly like on her profile, a natural round ass with a few stretch marks, and a torso carrying a few extra kg's after a recent overseas trip. I run my fingers around from her ass to her crotch, and she lets out a comically loud moan when I touch her pussy lips from outside her panties. She removes her bra, stands at the top end of the table and sticks her boobs in my face. I lick at her nipples but she recoils and pulls them away instantly (?). Then, another phone call with this one sadly lasting about 3 or so minutes. She transitions to one hand half-way through, and then she stops massaging me entirely for a minute or so. Almost sounded like she was having an argument with the person on the other end of the phone. More second-thoughts were definitely swirling in the head now. Thankfully no more phone calls after this.

    I roll over and she climbs up on to the table to suck my cock. She starts out by going slow and soft. Even though she doesn't even really attempt to go deep on me, it still feels OK. But as she amps things up I start copping A LOT of teeth. I tolerate this for as much as I can before asking her where the condoms are. She doms me up with her mouth and sucks me for a little bit more with the dom on (I was praying the teeth wouldn't bust a hole in it) and then she positions herself to climb up on to the table. I'd had enough of lying up there like a medical specimen so I put the kibosh on this and asked if we could go down on to the low bed on the side, with her happily agreeing. Anyone who's seen her knows how uncomfortable that bed is. Anyone who hasn't been there (me) finds this out the hard way lol. You can feel the springs and the wooden panels sticking out, and the weight of two bodies is too much for the sagging centre area to take.

    Anyways, we start in cowgirl and it's OK but she changes her positioning every 10 seconds and doesn't get a rhythm going. She leans forwards and I lick and suck her nipples. She doesn't recoil straight away this time but she doesn't stick around for long before leaning back again. It's not amazing, so I ask if we can flip over into missionary. We switch and she urges me to stick it in her. I slowly glide in, but her pussy isn't overly tight so it's not long till I'm thrusting at normal depth and speed. She is vocal at first, moaning and saying how good it feels and to keep fucking her. She cums (or so she says) after a minute or two, but it's after this that she spends the remaining fucking time practically starfishing with no enthusiasm. I try to lean forward to build some intimacy but any attempt for even non-french kissing without tongue is abandoned quickly and she turns her head, kinda ruining the moment. I prop myself up onto my knees and plough away to basically silence from her. A third wave of second-thoughts fill my head at this point. We swap to spoon position for a quick minute but the bed sagging makes this too difficult, so quick swap again to doggie which gives a nice view of her arse. I ask her if FIA is OK, but I don't really understand her response. The tone of the response puts me off a bit so I decide against asking her to repeat herself and abandon the FIA idea. By this point I keep hearing the sounds of kids playing very close by outside while we were fucking. Not exactly sure where they were or if they were Suzie's kids or not, but it kinda put me off a bit.

    After a few more minutes in doggie with very minimal response and little to no enthusiasm, I pull the dom off and lay down. She straddles me and begins sucking and jerking me again. At the first instance of tooth this time, I ask her to just jerk me instead while licking my balls. This ball licking isn't very good though - more like poking tongue repeatedly(?). A few minutes later I cum, but sadly she slows down immediately as the first rope comes out, kinda ruining my orgasm. I quickly take my own dick into my hand and jerk the rest out myself, and I could see out of the corner of my eye that she looks a bit confused.

    She goes into the bathroom at the back of the room while I clean myself up, before I take her place in the bathroom for a shower. The second I see how gross the bathroom and shower are, I change my mind and decide to just shower back at the place I was staying at. I get dressed, with her telling me how she wants me to come back ASAP and how next time she will do cheaper for me cause of how handsome, young etc. I am. I'm polite in my response to her but I definitely don't feel as excited about that prospect as she is.

    Do I regret fucking her? No. Do I regret paying to fuck her? Yes. Will I be returning to her? No, one and done. Even if I lived in the Newcastle area and was able to visit her more often, I wouldn't be.
    This is why I dont go anymore. Was a regular but got over the flattery . It is to much.

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    Yeah sorry to hear that she wasnt up to what you had hoped for. Whilst i did enjoy my 2 goes with her, i appreciate your comments about the fake cumming, starfishing when your not ready to cum, kinda rushing the whole FS part in general. Disappointing...these shops/ladies forget how important it is to maintain consistancy with/and good service..especially when charging above other places. I never felt the shower area or the room in general to be too dark or grubby though imo..at least compared to other places ive seen. But maybe you got a unlucky day to visit and a distracted suzie.I also didnt find the table too bad nor the bed, but it is low...everyone will have a different opinion on those details though of course. Great detailed and honest review though, its good to have some from both sides for all these places as krusty said...gotta keep them honest

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiGuy View Post
    Yeah sorry to hear that she wasnt up to what you had hoped for. Whilst i did enjoy my 2 goes with her, i appreciate your comments about the fake cumming, starfishing when your not ready to cum, kinda rushing the whole FS part in general. Disappointing...these shops/ladies forget how important it is to maintain consistancy with/and good service..especially when charging above other places. I never felt the shower area or the room in general to be too dark or grubby though imo..at least compared to other places ive seen. But maybe you got a unlucky day to visit and a distracted suzie.I also didnt find the table too bad nor the bed, but it is low...everyone will have a different opinion on those details though of course. Great detailed and honest review though, its good to have some from both sides for all these places as krusty said...gotta keep them honest
    Good feedback to the feedback bud

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    Nice review, Neveragain. And here I was thinking my reviews are too long.

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    Went to Warners Bay Angels massage today. Saw Coco, which is a name shared by so many Thai massage ladies that I have no idea if she is popular on this forum or not. But the name comes up often. Heck, there is a Coco's Thai massage shop a few doors down from angels. Looks legit though, very open.

    Very much liked her though. Standard $100 for massage + NHJ, my fave. Good English, very friendly, older looking but pretty, with surprisingly great body. She was 40ish from a guess, but some of the best tits I've seen. They were so nicely shaped and perky for her age, that I thought they were fake. Some big nipples, but really didn't feel like fake tits when I was grabbing them. Could be mistaken.

    Massage was decent, no teasing at all however, which normally I like. She got completely naked for the NHJ, unlike some that leave underwear on, and was ok with touching everywhere. I don't think anything else was on the menu, and there was some very thin cubicle walls if privacy is something you care about. Would recommend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbrows View Post
    Went to Warners Bay Angels massage today.
    I don't think anything else was on the menu,
    yeah, everything is on offer, they just don't do uncovered.
    Nice review. but you might want to lengthen them a little if you want to retain your title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty Lad View Post
    yeah, everything is on offer, they just don't do uncovered.
    Nice review. but you might want to lengthen them a little if you want to retain your title.
    Kind of like how I've never tried sugar in my coffee before, in case I really like it and can't go back, I've never gone for full service. I don't need to be spending more money, so I never really ask. Good to know for others however.

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    Anyone got any recommendations for a top tier P1 before anything else? I've got aches and pains after hours on trains and SCG seating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbrows View Post
    Went to Warners Bay Angels massage today. Saw Coco, which is a name shared by so many Thai massage ladies that I have no idea if she is popular on this forum or not. But the name comes up often. Heck, there is a Coco's Thai massage shop a few doors down from angels. Looks legit though, very open.

    Very much liked her though. Standard $100 for massage + NHJ, my fave. Good English, very friendly, older looking but pretty, with surprisingly great body. She was 40ish from a guess, but some of the best tits I've seen. They were so nicely shaped and perky for her age, that I thought they were fake. Some big nipples, but really didn't feel like fake tits when I was grabbing them. Could be mistaken.

    Massage was decent, no teasing at all however, which normally I like. She got completely naked for the NHJ, unlike some that leave underwear on, and was ok with touching everywhere. I don't think anything else was on the menu, and there was some very thin cubicle walls if privacy is something you care about. Would recommend.
    Once again yet another great review from fourbrows. Thanks mate, have that place in my sights have yet to make my way there but will do soon And will ask for Coco.

    Funny you should mention Coco massage Ive been three times, Coco the owner gives a 10/10 massage but strictly professional though it's ok to be nude and she'll work the buttocks, one side at a time and the other side covered (draped so only one cheek n leg is exposed no chance of teasing at all)
    I did ask but are politely told me that's not something they offer, ,$60 30min, $100 hour highly recommend her (not yuyu)

    As for the angels massage, I went once to deliver a new washing machine, very thin walls could hear a guy screaming the house down had a chuckle to myself when swapping appliances. Old washing machine had seen some use so I let the offsider take that one 🤣🤣

    Cheers Fourbrows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbrows View Post
    Kind of like how I've never tried sugar in my coffee before, in case I really like it and can't go back,
    Sadly, I am already at that stage, It's a hard habit to kick.

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    I had another pretty good experience at donald st, hamilton.

    went there on a monday to get the monday girl (has a dragon or some sort of asian design tat on her mid stomach/ribs). i would be somewhat a regular at this place, usually there at least once every 2 weeks, so she knows me and what i like.

    im a part two, first, sorta guy, so we get straight into it. after a bit of mucking around and we're bother keen to progess, she asked if i wanted to play with a toy (her english is quite good). i asked "what sort of two" lol. she brought out a little vibrator and a 3-4 inch pink dildo. i'm not one to shy away from something like this, so 100% went for it.

    while we were fucking she was using the vibrator to pleasure herself and rub it up and down my cock... was quite good. she absolutely loves doggy so she was quick to suggest flipping around. she said she came twice, which part of me 100% wants to believe because of the way she was carrying when she came for a second time. she always let's me finish on her back/stomach and will continue to play after i cum

    $180 for 1h which included the above with a 7.5/10 massage girl (imo defo one of the better ones; thin, young looking, c+ boobs), it's awesome value

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    Nice review Pawzy. don't fall in love with her, because it sounds like you have a good time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty Lad View Post
    Nice review Pawzy. don't fall in love with her, because it sounds like you have a good time.
    Hahaha nah not even close to that. Good value, fun, and not a granny… the trifecta

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawzy85 View Post
    I had another pretty good experience at donald st, hamilton.

    went there on a monday to get the monday girl (has a dragon or some sort of asian design tat on her mid stomach/ribs). i would be somewhat a regular at this place, usually there at least once every 2 weeks, so she knows me and what i like.

    im a part two, first, sorta guy, so we get straight into it. after a bit of mucking around and we're bother keen to progess, she asked if i wanted to play with a toy (her english is quite good). i asked "what sort of two" lol. she brought out a little vibrator and a 3-4 inch pink dildo. i'm not one to shy away from something like this, so 100% went for it.

    while we were fucking she was using the vibrator to pleasure herself and rub it up and down my cock... was quite good. she absolutely loves doggy so she was quick to suggest flipping around. she said she came twice, which part of me 100% wants to believe because of the way she was carrying when she came for a second time. she always let's me finish on her back/stomach and will continue to play after i cum

    $180 for 1h which included the above with a 7.5/10 massage girl (imo defo one of the better ones; thin, young looking, c+ boobs), it's awesome value
    What a trooper, I would definitely try that place out. Across from aldi Hamilton??
    Also was that Covered or raw dog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbrows View Post
    Kind of like how I've never tried sugar in my coffee before, in case I really like it and can't go back, I've never gone for full service. I don't need to be spending more money, so I never really ask. Good to know for others however.
    Similar to me and Ginza always stayed away for the same reason but I don’t show the same discipline as you and just I burst that rule now I know I’m fucked

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    Quote Originally Posted by IXOM View Post
    Similar to me and Ginza always stayed away for the same reason but I don’t show the same discipline as you and just I burst that rule now I know I’m fucked
    Haha it's a slippery slope. If it ever comes to where I'm not getting sex elsewhere, I might start. I'll never say never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter6969 View Post
    What a trooper, I would definitely try that place out. Across from aldi Hamilton??
    Also was that Covered or raw dog
    yeah, defo rate it for when im in the city for work and get an early knock-off


    in other news, went to 106 high street again, but with no lucia. saw on locanto they have some other Lucia quality girls there now.... which was absolutely bullshit lol. ended up doing a walk out after being told by txt that 3 girls were there whose names all matched some decent looking girls. Only two were there and i dont think they could have looked anything further from the pics.

    and OBVIOUSLY the pics on locanto vs shop swing wildly, but given Lucia's pics are actually here, i thought maybe we were on a winner here.

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