it's two totally different worlds paying a girl for sex and not paying a girl for sex.
Paying for sex is a fantasy world totally separate from the real world.
I think on this Forum we should stick to discussing where we are paying to fuck them.
Otherwise it just gets too messy.
Basically 99.9% of us on this Forum know nothing about women, or sex.
We pay for sex, and we know about that, but that is all we know about.