QR code

[GoldfishMan]

This is what I do with decision engines and machine learning.

You need to search for stuff in Incognito mode. It also helps to clear your cookies and history from time to time.

The cookies and you email if matched to the same email used in social media.

Sent from my GM1910 using Tapatalk

That incognito trick might work for the annoying stuff like embedded ads and stuff, but if you really want to be "covert", it's not the best tool. Stuff like your IP address, network routes, etc can still be kept and then the moment you lose discipline and use cookies, all that hard work to cover your tracks is undone. It's all about being able to identify the machine and the human. They don't need both to be present at the same time to do it.

[adahar]

Popped into Woolies today.

Girl at the entrance clutching a tablet. Confirmed she was able to check in customers, asked about checking out. She advised that you can do that with the NSW app but she has no way of checking you out (of the store). I persisted but she checked the app and said no options exist.

This makes sense as it would need to either recall your registration or require re-entry to data match. No need for such niceties so you'll have to trust a contact to not register after you've left.

So, if you don't "have" your phone or it doesn't scan you'll just have to keep a manual record of your exit time, then argue the toss if you get pinged. I asked in a smaller store and I might well have asked what the volume of a black hole is.

[rooter]

OMG! The government will know that at 1:03 PM you went to the Parramatta Coles and purchased Tim Tams, Campbells soup, Dairy Farmers Yoghurt, and Chux Superwipes..
It's worse than Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia.
They will send you to a death camp or gulag for sure
It's the end of freedom and democracy.

[TheMaestro]

OMG! The government will know that at 1:03 PM you went to the Parramatta Coles and purchased Tim Tams, Campbells soup, Dairy Farmers Yoghurt, and Chux Superwipes..
It's worse than Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia.
They will send you to a death camp or gulag for sure
It's the end of freedom and democracy.

Don't forget the condoms and lube. Except the Punterman, he just goes bare back!

[adahar]

OMG! The government will know that at 1:03 PM you went to the Parramatta Coles and purchased Tim Tams, Campbells soup, Dairy Farmers Yoghurt, and Chux Superwipes..
It's worse than Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia.
They will send you to a death camp or gulag for sure
It's the end of freedom and democracy.

This could be the prediction of the decade.

On a slightly more serious note, just consider whether this will go away when we reach "Phase 4" in 3 to 4 years time. My bet is that it won't.

[dannyboy]

Popped into Woolies today.

Girl at the entrance clutching a tablet. Confirmed she was able to check in customers, asked about checking out. She advised that you can do that with the NSW app but she has no way of checking you out (of the store). I persisted but she checked the app and said no options exist.

This makes sense as it would need to either recall your registration or require re-entry to data match. No need for such niceties so you'll have to trust a contact to not register after you've left.

So, if you don't "have" your phone or it doesn't scan you'll just have to keep a manual record of your exit time, then argue the toss if you get pinged. I asked in a smaller store and I might well have asked what the volume of a black hole is.

The QLD app has no option to check out either, which is weird as people will have to potentially isolate as they have no idea what time you left the location...

[surething91]

OMG! The government will know that at 1:03 PM you went to the Parramatta Coles and purchased Tim Tams, Campbells soup, Dairy Farmers Yoghurt, and Chux Superwipes..
It's worse than Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia.
They will send you to a death camp or gulag for sure
It's the end of freedom and democracy.

Hehe yeah we don't care about privacy... That's why:
1/ we enter a shop using the backdoor
2/ we don't give our full name to the shop
3/ we don't give our phone number
4/ we don't pay by card
5/ we try not to be seen by other punters inside the shop
6/ we are anonymously speaking in this forum
Etc...

I say "we" for in general. Of course some of us don't give a fuck and I don't either. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't care!

Why would you care about privacy in a brothel and not at Coles? Maybe you don't want random people to know your life. Isn't it your right?
Just having a look at what's been happening in China the last decades should at least put us on guard.

I'm not saying our government here in Australia spy on us or other BS and I think they do our best to protect our privacy. But I don't know a technology without any leaks/hacks or whatever.

And it's not like this QR code thing we've been checking in for around 1 year has preventing lockdowns... Is it worth it? I'm just asking.

[adahar]

And it's not like this QR code thing we've been checking in for around 1 year has preventing lockdowns...

QR codes are not designed to prevent lock downs, regardless of what the govt says.

When they didn't exist contact tracing could only be done in an analogue way, much too slow to stop the spread, so a lock down is the only way. Now we have them, the data flow is too much to catch infections, so a lock down is used to catch up.

The sweet spot (up to 20 infections daily) can be managed without a lock down using QR codes to drive testing numbers. If cases rise then a lock down is inevitable to dull the spread and make space for data overload.

Mandatory check in's everywhere has the potential to increase the data load exponentially therefore that sweet spot becomes increasingly sensitive. The length of the lock down will depend on case analysis and data clearance rates.

The fact that a Woolies (all day for two days) and Coles are now on the site exposure list as close contact settings is testament to this process.

Shopping at Hillsdale Woolies on either of those days will reward you of a test and 14 days of personal lock down. This effectively includes your partner, family, friends and work colleagues as casual contacts. Not checking in won't save you as they will check card usage and get your info that way.

Case numbers released today, the data suggests an extension of at least 1 week probably 2. If cases persist until Wednesday then get prepared. They need 5 to 10 days of clear air to end lock down.

[aussiegaigin]

Got a response to my query about the double check in conundrum:

if you don't check out of a location prior to checking into a new one, you won't be able to check out at a later time. Remembering to check out at the end of your visit can help improve the accuracy of contact tracing, however, you don't have to check out.

[GoldfishMan]

Isn't it obvious that they can easily figure out that you've left one place and gone to another, simply by you checking into the next destination? I mean, you're not the multiplying man, are you? You can only be at one place at a time.
The only time you might want to worry about checking out is when you leave an indoor venue to the great outdoors. That's when you might want to check out.

[adahar]

Got a response to my query about the double check in conundrum:

Isn't it obvious that they can easily figure out that you've left one place and gone to another, simply by you checking into the next destination?

I'm not sure it was ever a conundrum!

No, you don't need to check out but if you think anyone is going to try figure out your individual movements you're sadly mistaken. Check in's drive testing rates, the more people they capture the better it is (for them). They'll have thousands of registrations to deal with. Unless they have specific software to deal with it, which I doubt, you'll simply get a text.

Why would you put yourself in the position of a test + quarantine + inconvenience to family and friends because you don't check out.

But then, it is up to the individual.

[GoldfishMan]

I'm not sure it was ever a conundrum!

No, you don't need to check out but if you think anyone is going to try figure out your individual movements you're sadly mistaken. Check in's drive testing rates, the more people they capture the better it is (for them). They'll have thousands of registrations to deal with. Unless they have specific software to deal with it, which I doubt, you'll simply get a text.

Why would you put yourself in the position of a test + quarantine + inconvenience to family and friends because you don't check out.

But then, it is up to the individual.

Where did you see that they were actually using the QR code check-in system to enforce close contact testing and quarantine? All I see in daily announcements is the Gov continuously telling people "if you've been to so and so place at so and so time, you need to go get tested and quarantine". It is again the same old self-policing tactic.

On the other hand, what they DO use the QR code for, is to track where each infected case has been to. That's how they come up with the close contacts exposure sites list.
Yeah you're right they're not gonna track everyone's every movement, but that argument also renders your fears of being forced into quarantine moot if you think about it.

[spir55]

do you need to qr scan when you leave a shop as well?

[adahar]

Where did you see that they were actually using the QR code check-in system to enforce close contact testing and quarantine? All I see in daily announcements is the Gov continuously telling people "if you've been to so and so place at so and so time, you need to go get tested and quarantine". It is again the same old self-policing tactic.

On the other hand, what they DO use the QR code for, is to track where each infected case has been to. That's how they come up with the close contacts exposure sites list.
Yeah you're right they're not gonna track everyone's every movement, but that argument also renders your fears of being forced into quarantine moot if you think about it.

The lists are generated when a positive case reveals their phone number. The database is interrogated with that number which reveals the businesses they've checked into. That subset is interrogated for numbers that checked in subsequent to the case. If the case didn't check out then it's likely that everyone on that day will be pinged. If they did check out then all the numbers present between those time stamps + an hour or two (maybe) will be pinged. These become close contacts and become subject to a test + quarantine + further tests.

Checking out gives you a chance to dodge that bullet.

The close contact numbers are investigated for their movements which generates the casual contact sites. Those people maybe pinged depending upon time stamps, location, relevance etc.

This is not contact tracing but merely generating lists of possibilities for testing. The real contact tracing starts with personal contacts that may not have a phone number anywhere in the system but are revealed by the case and close contacts . If they do have numbers in the system then those visited sites could be put into the mix.

The call for volunteering of being at exposure sites is due to lack of QR registrations. This is very inefficient and doesn't capture anywhere near enough people. 100 daily at a Coles is clearly unrealistic so mandatory check in's are necessary. This will resolve the Govt's pleading for testing numbers to be up.

The Govt doesn't publish how the tests are arrived at, a) people with symptoms, b) walk ins for exposure sites or c) QR generated lists. I've only heard of less than half a dozen cases found by QR codes, there may be more but the Govt hasn't made any noise about them.

This is the sad part, thousands of people together with their families, friends, work colleagues etc inconvenienced for so little benefit in my opinion. But it is what is is. Public Health has to give advice to the Govt and they need a firm basis to support that advice. The higher the testing rate the more the outcome can be justified, regardless if it's positive or negative. It's just a little annoying that's all.

[adahar]

do you need to qr scan when you leave a shop as well?

No you don't but, it's my opinion you should. Knowing exactly what time you were or weren't in there may limit your liability to be captured by the system.

It is completely your choice 'though.

[aussiegaigin]

do you need to qr scan when you leave a shop as well?

You don't need to scan again, you just check out in the app. You can "back date" the time later if you forget at the time of leaving. You should get a reminder message after a couple of hours, if you haven't.

[adahar]

You don't need to scan again, you just check out in the app. You can "back date" the time later if you forget at the time of leaving. You should get a reminder message after a couple of hours, if you haven't.

Are you saying you can "check out" remotely and also nominate your exit time?

Seems like a bit of a loophole to me!

[Isaidwtf]

I will not be signing into any check in app. Not keen to be tracked while doing the deed.

[rooter]

The QR code is a pain in the arse.
I can see the reasons why we have it, but it is still a pain in the arse.
But we have to keep some perspective and context.
In Australia we have had pandemic-lite compared to the rest of the world.
We have had nowhere near the amount of cases or deaths and nowhere near the economic damage most other countries have suffered.
So if we have to put up with some inconveniences and some invasions of privacy to keep that then I think that is a fair enough price to pay.
We definitely have to be vigilant though in monitoring and then winding back these encroachments on privacy, but that is a fight to be fought in the future.
The bottom line is we are a liberal democracy with a shit load of checks and balances; parliament, elections, free media (traditional and social), the judiciary, pressure groups, demonstrations, culture, universities, an educated population etc.
We are not China or Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia.
A regime where we have no rights or freedoms can happen but it is unlikely and won't be easy.
But as a wise man once said "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance".
End of sermon ... on the Mount ... of Venus

[aussiegaigin]

Are you saying you can "check out" remotely and also nominate your exit time?

Seems like a bit of a loophole to me!

After you have checked in, a new page to check out appears and it shows the current time. You can scroll the clock back to set the time you actually left (or earlier if you want to cheat) but you can't scroll it forward.