Reply With QuoteHow many have a husband/partner that knows what they do?
How many have a husband/partner that knows what they do?
Probably about the same ratio as punters' wives who know what their husbands do when they're out running an errand. Myself, I think "not my business".Originally Posted by Digby
Likewise, past history is just that, PAST history, for both parties. It's all about the future...
Past histories, what about a hypothetical current situation?
Previously a punter mentioned he dug into a WL’s background. Say for example she’s dated a punter on this forum and intends continuing. She secretly works as a WL, is cheating on her husband, is having at least one affair on the side and now as you say “it’s all about the future”…
Short answer:
NOT MY BUSINESS. NONEYA.
Long answer:
To me, it seems that there's this morbid curiosity/concern by some about other's past history. Are you going to have that same attitude when your partner/spouse/intended/gf is inquiring about YOUR past history?
- "Oh, yea, babe, I was a BIG punter, out and about, paying women for sex for my own pleasure. But don't worry, won't be doing that anymore, that's in the past. Believe me, no need to be checking up on me."
- "Sir, Mrs, so nice to meet you; your daughter is just a wonderful girl. I'm sure I can take care of her because I won't be out spending money on whores anymore. That budget item is closed. Don't even think about it."
I'm sure you'll be having THAT conversation.
Two sides, same coin. And, for me, there's a difference when it's a job, bringing in the coin for family, and an indulgence, spending that coin. Past is the past. I judge by future behavior IF IT CONCERNS ME. But that's just me. YMMV.
How can you trust a person without knowing their background or base an assessment on it? You yourself said you did risk assessment for a living.
Out of all the guys you know 11Bravo who have paired with a WL or ML into a relationship how many have made a go of it percentage wise? I personally know of four and they’ve all failed.
They say dreams hold meaning. This morning I dreamt I was cheated on by a WL and for some reason the guy was Italian. It’s enough to throw a spanner in the works as far as she is concerned. Call me silly, stupid, a follower of old wives tails or maybe it’s intuition but it’s now presented a hurdle that she’ll have to cross over.
I’m not even the jealous type but TRUST is my main priority. If you cannot trust how can you follow through?
How many relationships with non WL work? This forum is filled with people from failed relationships.
Really interesting thread. Apart from the Vinnie bollocks.
I guess I've known a few girls over the last 20 years and if I think about some regulars, all is hopefully good for our beloved WLs & MLs.
I think the general success proviso is to be a foreign girl here for a few years and back home with a decent swag in the local currency.
Girl 1. A favourite for many years, now runs two shops and last i spoke had built her parents a house, bought them a car and was building a shop/apt on top income provider back home. Kudos.
Girl 2. Now has a husband and two little kids, lives a 'normal' Sydney housewife life and helps out in hubby's business. Great girl and i wish her well in life.
Girl 3. Had already bought 3 apts back home by the time i met her. China though, so i don't know how that's gone.
Girl 4. Used to show me pics of progress on the build of her boutique hotel on an island in Thailand. I visited on a 'dive trip' about 3 years ago and we had dinner and a night out. Charged me full freight on the room, but. Lol.
Girl 5. In sydney but is now studying for her Masters in a difficult arena. In a second language ffs! Works a civvy job 3 days a week but does massage 2 days to pay education bills and is buying out her parents business back home. She'd prefer to stay here, but that's difficult now and the business back home is her Plan B.
All in all, awesome stories and i hope an indicator for a high percentage of working girls from foreign climes. But... my bet is that most won't make a relationship work, here or back home. I think seeing 5-10 cocks a day and hearing every bullshit story from every guy they come across must basically turn them off men in general.
As for old, bald, fat farangs in Thailand, I think it's a win-win. Back home he'd be reduced to grumpy, desparate, middle-aged 3s. Otherwise known as the wife. In Thailand he's banging a decent 6 or 7 who is likely not viable for a Thai guy cos she's older or has a kid. He gets a little 'love' from a reasonable looking gal, she gets money for her and her family. A relationship at its heart anywhere is transactional and this a good one for both I think. Who knows, it may even last. So long as the bloke protects his assets properly it's all good.
Look, a WL went on to tell the other WLs during a multigirl session that I owned a private jet. Now that was something and totally unexpected. Some women are gullible even if the story is told by one of their work colleagues. Of course I denied it and I don’t know what prompted her to say such a thing but I’d say they bullshit to each other over guys and there is most definitely competition between themselves.
The whole punting experience is a fantasy. I think once you walk into a room they and you are both actors, the bed a stage you both perform on and that peer reviews are sometimes written. Certainly a lot of the action is mulled over in General Talk. I often wonder what the SWs say about the punters? Now that would be interesting.
Point taken.
Replace FUTURE with CURRENT, then reparse.
It depends on the girl and her goals.
I've come across one who is young, free spirited and enjoys the high life but is happy to have a boyfriend but the guy has to understand that he should be in it for fun and not be long term.
I've come across one who doesn't like the job but does it to set her self up quickly. She wants to get married, have kids but unfortunately is giving up on that dream because she is sick of being used and abused by men tricking her into a relationship but would happily settle down for a good man even if he doesn't earn that much
Another.does this job because her BF got her pregnant, got arrested and is doing a long stint in jail and she has a mouth to feed just like how many men here are stuck in shit but high paying job due to wife, kids and mortgage.
It depends on the girl
I think this post of men asking if a woman can adjust to normal life are the men who are jaded and jealous from trying to impress the young hot fit girl who makes bank but she isn't interested in a old 50 year old man. so there is that underlying bitterness of giving gifts and tips to her but not really getting something back in return.
It's could also be some men that are older are reminded of their long gone youth that they see in these girls. (Youth, fun, free time, money to spend on what ever, travel where ever no commitments to anyone or anything like wife kids etc )
Certainly seems like some have a tone of wanting the girl to fail, can't believe she'd be able to go back to a normal life, normal relationships.
I think, for the most part, they can. Just like how a combat vet can go back to civilian life. Some can't, most can. Humans are resilient. Past is history, the future beckons.
Wanting the girl to fail? 100% it's this when he realises he spent a fuck tonne on her and he ain't getting anywhere further or extra with her outside of that punting environment and how he copes is to say they she is now greedy only wants that lifestyle and will be stuck doing that for the rest of her life and end up being a old hag at a $150 shop.
Yeah, I'm not sure where this 'holier than thou' attitude comes from as if they are saints that have never done wrong by anyone else and has graced this world with their presence alone, yet failing to realize they are just as 'degenerate' as the WLs and other punters. In fact, I would argue that the punter would be the 'bigger POS' in the dynamic between WLs and punters. Let's be real here, you're compelling someone to fuck you by paying for it, she ain't there for the fun of it.
Maybe judging yourself as a 'higher level of being' is one way to cope with the suffering and misery of one's existence.
Me personally i dont think It's a "holier than thou" attitude, it's a response to rejection.
some men out there simply think that by flashing their cash and spending it on a woman (wl or not) with lavish gifts or large tips is how you attract a female partner and they think all woman are like that, but when you have so much money and she still can't feel like she can't connect with you and dumps you, some blokes instantly think she was only here for the money not realising she couldn't talk to you etc (all that other bullshit in normal relationships). But she also could be a gold digger and you have only yourself to blame.
Now this in a WL situation, the girl is here to make money off you, you spend money on her even though she's not interested in you, you feel rejected and you automatically place her in the same category as "all woman" in the scenario I mentioned above when punting is a different dynamic.
That's why I never ever ever tip a ML or WL extra because some guys do and only fuck it up for themselves in the future "maybe if I show her I'm rich and generous maybe she will like me" .......dude your fucking 50 with a belly and she's in her 20's and fit as fuck like seriously you are playing yourself and she doesn't even have to try.
Not all WL want your money in order to like ya, because I ain't rich but I have been pampered by some girls, but I have come across some very very greedy girls
Hmm maybe you're right. Yeah, you can't really buy love with money, no matter if it's a WL or not.
These older folk, they must be extremely lonely to resort to this kind of pandering... Or they've never experienced actual love before and that's real depressing.
Yeah, there's gonna be gold diggers everywhere but can you really blame them?
Making money these days is not easy especially with many of the opportunities drying up even for legit industries that used to hire + pay like crazy.
There's a reason why there's so many young Japanese girls working as WLs. How else are you going to make any decent amount of money without slaving away at some bullshit retail/fast food job?
Don’t fight among yourself brothers! Deep down all of us punters know. Heart doesn’t belong in this kind of situation.
1. If you feel not good, after hearing a sad story from SW and feel guilty to take advantage of her. It means GOOD, you are still have hope not like the rest of us here. Cling to that feeling, and stop punting. World outside is huge, who knows , maybe you will find someone that can heal your heart sooner than you think.
2. If you feel nothing, after hearing a sad story from SW. It means you similar like ME. So continue what you doing without regret. We know our heart somewhat broken. What WE can do is trying not to be an *asshole* with SW in the room. At least show the dignity that we are men. Show them consideration and respect and be kind to her. If she said she quitting. Congrats them and give them hope, that she will have a better job and life than this.
3. If you are the *asshole* like the one who hurts the girl. Like choking the girl until her neck has marks. Insert your thumb to girls butt until she bleeding. Cum inside her when she pussy sliding you without telling her. Stealth BB her without her consent. Sorry Bro if you the one in this category, there is no hope for you. Better check to a psychiatrist.
Oh, I'd say us (you say old, I say mature) folks have a much better chance of understanding the difference between sex and love. It's the younguns, without a solid life foundation, that tend to confuse the two and go off the deep end.
As to those not accepting the provider moving on, I think JJBlows is spot on:
AKA "sour grapes" (showing my age, having grown up with Aesop's fables). Trouble happens when older/mature want to relive their glory days and don't accept the fact that she doesn't necessarily share the fantasy outside of work hours. As long as you accept that the great providers are great actresses, playing the role you want, for the duration of the play, great. But understand it's YOUR fantasy, not hers. When she's tired of the role, thank her, wish her well, move on. As I've said, no one is irreplaceable.
As for gold diggers, I stick with a defined benefits plan. They're easily and quickly identified and cut loose.
Guess I'm more of an "innocent until proven guilty" type. As PussyBonpensiero corrected, I judge her current actions, not past. Start from a clean slate and go from there.
Given I don't run background checks on friends' significant others, even those that are (shockhorror
) foreign born, difficult to say. Their lives, their choices. But the ones I do know: 75% (3-1), all 15-20 years together. Maybe they're like Indiana Jones who heeded the Old Knight's advice: choose wisely.
Myself, dreams, fantasies, are just that. I base my life, my choices, on REALITY. I find THAT works out much better for me. Certainly not always the way I want, but much better chances. Cheated on by a WG? If it's "on the job", then it's "work". If it's outside the job then she just doesn't view the relationship the same as you. She has to jump through hurdles for YOU? Jesus, Vinnie, Spanky, Revenant, Digby... the height of conceit. You recognize a lion by his claw.
I'll paraphrase the Beatles: The trust you take is equal to the trust you make.
If you're in a relationship with a WG, understand the parameters. If you're not paying full support, with retirement plan, then she will go to work. It's WORK. And if it's only the money that's keeping her with you, then... don't be surprised when she jumps for a better offer. With a WG, you have a lot of built in doubt by her to overcome. It's you that needs to be jumping hurdles. Permanent or casual relationship? Big difference, and to her, even more so. "But she's this SYT and I have so much to offer... well, at least for now." Hell, I find your superior attitude nauseating, and I'm NOT interested in any type of a relationship with you. You're like the spoiled little kid who throws a temper tantrum when things don't go exactly the way you imagine they should.
Your trouble? You see her as a WG, not as a person. To you, she'll always be that, and she knows it. Death spiral.
You’re right on some things 11Bravo.
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