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    That's a very positive reply Wilson.

    Heatseeker, he is trying to run a business so he asks his customers for feedback.

    If they give a thumbs up and then rubbish the business in public they should be banned by him.

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    anyone else think theres 2-3 fake account on this thread? XP

    One is created long ago but no post (could be just a lurker that read/check roster)
    Another recently joined but seem like an experienced punter (again could be legitimately new to forum)

    Hmmm XP

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    I found Dolly excellent.

    Very genuine, smart and attentive.

    Prices are all relative....because in this shop they range from $140 or whatever to $290 per hour... At bluemoon/myoutcall the lowest is $300 up to $400 and LET ME TELL YOU, THE QUALITY GENERALLY SPEAKING AT GINZA IS FAR GREATER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN SYDNEY AT THE MOMENT IMHO. I'm not bagging the other escort services because they have their stunners, but they also have had some pretty ordinary ones- ones that would get the silver prices at Ginza.

    So the way I look at it, Ginza are honest, have photos and descriptions and even for diamond class, I'm $10-$60 better off than at Blue or Myoutcall. The latter do offer go service, value and are honest, but I'm just saying, prices are all relative!!

    Dolly was 10/10, kissing was ok/reasonable, but it was good enough and I respect the girls preferences in any case, DFK or LFK or not. I also ask if they like this or can I do this/that; a bit of respect gentlemen please.

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    Wilson,
    As I already said, when I left, someone was talking to you at the front desk and I didn't want to interrupt and neither being seen by anyone.
    So to make it short and to not create issue in front of this man, I just smiled and waved at you.
    I apologise if my description of Dolly was a bit harsh, maybe I should have used different words.
    But it's a bit harsh from you to blacklist me just for an AR. I'm quite a regular client and I still want to keep coming see other girl$.
    I respect your decision even if obviously I don't agree with it.
    Cheers,
    noubroz

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilisno View Post
    To me, DFK is essential, period ! But if I know one girl who doesn't do that, I just don't feel like seeing her, no matter what price she's on !

    I also said that might not be the way how Ginza grade their girls, it's not on the level of service, but on her popularity !

    Agree. Grading on popularity probably a good way to do it.

    But who knows how Wilson grades his girls in details...I find it is kind of based on age and face and rarity (mix-blood) so far, not service or popularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noubroz View Post
    I apologise if my description of Dolly was a bit harsh, maybe I should have used different words.
    But it's a bit harsh from you to blacklist me just for an AR. I'm quite a regular client and I still want to keep coming see other girl$.
    noubroz
    Bro nounroz. It is not your fault. It comes really personal feeling how the girl looks like. The way Wilson react just make me laugh non stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billionaire View Post
    Agree. Grading on popularity probably a good way to do it.

    But who knows how Wilson grades his girls in details...I find it is kind of based on age and face and rarity (mix-blood) so far, not service or popularity.
    How do you feel if someone told you she is mix ( Perth mix Auckland).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairy1231 View Post
    anyone else think theres 2-3 fake account on this thread? XP

    One is created long ago but no post (could be just a lurker that read/check roster)
    Another recently joined but seem like an experienced punter (again could be legitimately new to forum)

    Hmmm XP
    Haha, not sure on this thread? We know there are some writers out there. Don't we?

    I think this is common. Happens on every forum. I am not surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onepunt View Post
    How do you feel if someone told you she is mix ( Perth mix Auckland).
    Not sure the purpose of your question. Do you mean aussie mix kiwi?

    I am a face fan. In my rating system, services sometimes even rank behind face. back to your question, it doesn't matter if she's mix-blood as long as she's pretty. In common sense, mix girls are prettier. But this is not always the case. Below are some instants.

    Cassie is my favorite at Ginza (prettiest I think). Dinna (Aussie mix Japanese): the session was good, GFE good, just attractive looking though.

    I haven't tried Jasmin (not as pretty as I expect) even though I know she provides nice services (not only good AR here, but also good reputation among my friends).

    Now I am going to try Stellar, as one AR says she's like Tsukasa Aoi 葵つかさ (beautiful and innocent). But she's so popular and just work 4-5 hours a shift. Now she only takes one hour booking. I have to make enough money before seeing her. LOL

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    I just want to say. If you are my customer not happy with the service we provided, I will make sure you come again and my girls will fucking suck you dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GINZA View Post
    Yes, blacklisted you already,

    Not because you write a bad AR (I have already shown Dolly this thread), She has got her warning letter, Its a helpful AR that shows Dolly must improve her DFK otherwise she will be demoted or stop working.

    But I did asked for your feedback when you leave, you give me a smile and thumb on your way out. Now its totally different.

    Every client's feedback is important for Ginza, It will decide the girl will continue or no more. Thats why I ask feedbacks from each client when they finish.



    Cheers!
    Banning someone because they don't report back to the shop management but write a report or AR is bad business in my opinion.

    Does anyone who want to write a good report and not report to you first also get banned.

    I doubt it!

    Sounds like double standards to me you want to be on this forum then you got to take the good with the bad, all you are trying to do is influence what we punters on here write.

    You are trying to control the AR's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onepunt View Post
    I just want to say. If you are my customer not happy with the service we provided, I will make sure you come again and my girls will fucking suck you dry.
    Running an imaginary brothel in your head and running one in the real world are two very different things.

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    there are few other bad AR here about ginza, none of them looked like they got banned.

    But really look at this one, he smile and thumb up even though he didn't enjoy it just because he was shy of other punter there, but didn't bother to call/text Wilson to explain later. Then writing AR, he describe the girl to look like some trans... (which is very opposite to what other AR describe her ).

    Pretty harsh. She is young too, imagine how she feels reading that from someone who acted like they enjoyed her services? human have feeling ya know.
    If there was a forum for ML&WL describing their client, doubt you'll punt again if they describe how bad you look or how horrible you treat WL/ML.

    Bad AR are fine but degrading the worker and saying that they didn't get what they pay for is not right thing to do. The guy got what he paid for with diamond class according description of the girl found on their website and here (he probably expected alot more).
    Quote Originally Posted by noubroz View Post
    Next, the bed, after an average BBBJ I was ready to come. I was thinking at 290$ an hour I should do CIM, but guess what? She doesn't no CIM, no COF.
    What the hell?! Why is she a Diamond Class???
    I was so disappointed, I felt ripped off.
    How come, I mean if this girl is a Diamond what is Cassie???
    That's crazy right? Or it's just me turning loco???


    For those expecting CIM/COF and other extra to be included in diamond class, did you guys came up with the classification or Ginza owner came up with them?

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    Interesting thread.

    It's like a good book i couldn't put down.

    I think it was well with in the bros rights to post his views. As Wilson said, feedback is important, to us and to the business owner. The fact that Wilson got it through a negative ar I guess puts him on the back foot. He would probably have tried to rectify the issue before you walked away with bad feelings. He seems good that way.

    Blacklist was a bit harsh. Goes to show how serious Wilson takes his shop's reputation. Maybe once it cools down you guys can make up again. Can see it from both sides.

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    Ethanhunt, its been a great post, and a lot of good has come out of it
    Its certainly shown that you don't always get what you pay for.
    I originally felt that CIM is a basic service when you are paying top dollar, but learnt that even Diamond Class isn't a guarantee of CIM. OK fair enough.
    That's not saying Diamond Class can't include CIM, we just have to confirm beforehand.
    CIM and appearance (which is always SUBJECTIVE) was the actual topic of the post, which then evolved to what actually does Diamond Class cover to justify the higher cost.
    The explanation obtained was that Diamond Class women were more beautiful and more popular. Nothing else. Anything else had to be confirmed beforehand.
    (For many guys seeing the elaborate rating system and not being able to just go with the flow and trust management, having to confirm exactly what is included, seems confusing. Although others are simply happy with the grading based on appearance/race - and thats fair enough)
    What surprised me most, was that sometimes Diamond Class doesnt include DFK.
    This subject only came out later, when a punter revealed Diamond Class DFK with some ladies may be an optional extra. This has yet to be denied by the manager, I think the class system makes it optional but am happy to be corrected
    In my opinion, if you don't have DFK you don't have GFE, and I for one can do better that a premium cost lady who won't kiss me properly.
    In that case, and this is just my opinion, no DFK just makes it feel mechanical. Maybe Im so used to making love with GFs previously, where there is decent kissing as standard, that I dont accept compromise at the premium level.
    Again we just need to confirm with the manager beforehand

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    Personally I don't see a girl that doesn't Kiss or DFK

    However I think its the girls right to decide if she offers this service or not.

    If not then it should be made clear that its not in the service.

    Some shops offer it as standard others do not if there is a chance that it is expected or considered as included and its not then that should be clarified up front.

    If its important to you as the punter then its best to ask and clarify before hand same goes for things like CIM BBBJ, COB etc

    About the only thing which is definitely on the menu is protected sex and even then you may only be allowed on shot in the hour so if you want more best to ask is it on offer.

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    Guys,let's give sometime for Wilson rectify the problems.
    If you look at it another way, this may be new marketing strategy. Within 72hrs this girl draw 2000+ reviews and 70+ replies (good & bad). Now more ppl Know about Ginza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punter Poontang View Post
    You're obviously talking about me and the childish name-calling is completely unnecessary.

    I've already apologised in advance for coming across as defensive, I don't hide I'm a very happy customer of Wilson's and don't want to give any impression of speaking on his behalf. All I've tried to point out is that, imo, punters have clearly had unfounded and unrealistic expectations due to the price point. I've pointed out why I think that, given examples why I think that, and highlighted what I've read as Ginza's official stance on it.

    No-one has yet been able to contradict that beyond saying "but, but, but, she costs more therefore she should perform better" .... which is an inherently floored assumption, also for reasons I've previously documented.

    I also have a strong intolerance of stupidity in all its forms, and am not afraid to point it out when other guys completely fail to comprehend what has already been repeatedly stated. Sue me.

    In light of all that, do you care to point out where I've "unmercifully attacked" anyone?? It's called a discussion, that's what forums are for. If you can't handle differing opinions (mind, mine's the only one with rational justification), then the interweb is clearly not for you.
    Mate your last paragraph summarises exactly what i am talking about. Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless. Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable materiel hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc. Remember,he supplies the product,he is responsible for the quality and performance of the product...just like any business and it is this forum that describes Ginza as a well run business. Lets have totally honest reviews which will help us all instead of the gushing essays that abound on here from the Oscar Wilde/Mark Twain/Charles Dickens wannabees.I must admit I log on every day hoping the great Steven Segal has posted one of his legendary reviews. This guy obviously treats his punts as fun,entertainment and just a pastime..He enjoys himself no matter what,not an angry word to be seen. Hey guys loosen up.take a leaf out of his book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilisno View Post
    Firstly, I'm not a Ginza customer. As a matter of fact, I've never been to Ginza, so I'm not a die-hard supporter as such !

    I don't believe CIM/COF should be the basic service for any level of service, that's not what you pay top dollars for ! If you consider these sorts of services as value for money, then go to 533 as Bro Oneonone suggests elsewhere, or better still, go to 12 Bellevue St, you'll get your money's worth !

    Your opinion may be shared by many, but judging by the popularity of Ginza, I can say that the majority thinks otherwise !

    I think the classifications of the girls at Ginza are based on the popularity of the girls, the feedbacks from her early customers, not on the level of services she provides, if that girl can maintain her popularity after being elevated to the highest class, that says a lot about where the majority of opinion lies !

    To me, whether a girl is of pure blood, eg. pure-J, pure-K, mixed blood or whatever, does not add any value to her status, a good girl is a good girl, no matter where she's from !
    Wait a minute I just read your post???? Big bro Wilisno....you have never been to Ginza???? Aren't you the least bit curious about what they have to offer?

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    "Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable material hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc. Remember,he supplies the product,he is responsible for the quality and performance of the product...just like any business and it is this forum that describes Ginza as a well run business. Lets have totally honest reviews which will help us all instead"

    At the start of this post, its was purely an interesting discussion on Diamond Class services. I for one was happy to visit again to get a better experience of the place
    Then we get news that a reasonable criticism of a place results in being banned.

    Still trying to take it all in

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