Sensational Transformational Budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe........

[waynekerr]

Tony Abbott on ABC Insiders: “ Voters should have expected my budget's sweeping cuts.”

This is a post from another forum:

“Agreed. He is a sociopathic, compulsive liar.

He lies, then he blames you if you believed him.

He was the one who blatantly, flagrantly lied about the 'budget emergency', then promised no cuts
or changes to health, education, pensions, petrol prices, and the ABC.

Now says we should have expected sweeping cuts.

So that means he's saying we shouldn't have believed a word that he said, because he told us there
would be no cuts.

You heard it Australia. Tony Abbott says we must never believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
He admits it, he lies about everything.

OK Tony. Perhaps those who voted for you might do well to remember this mantra; Fool me once,
shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.”

Credit to the poster (not me).

Tony Abbott: “Voters should have expected my budget's sweeping cuts."

Yes I did, which is exactly why I didn't vote for you.

WayneK.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Australia is transitioning from a western European style democracy to an Asian Command economy.
With this kind of change, there are bound to be significant problems along the way, not simply economic.

Most, if not all of the social policy benefits Australia has gained from its Euriopean heritage will continue to be eroded,
as the transition from democratic free market to Asian command economy is completed.

It is ironic that the old white/european Australia policy, that many commentators now hate with a vengeance, provided
Australia with its democratic market economy & society, including all the social policy benefits. And now that the transition
to Asian/Multi-Cultural Australia continues at great pace, the same commentators are upset that this transition also requires
an erosion of those social policy benefits they had become so accustomed to.

In a nutshell, the end of European Australia, applauded by so many, ultimately meant the end of social democratic Australia.
The Asia-Pacific region is not renowned for its social democratic principles or ethics. As Australia continues its rapid
transition to Asian/Multi-Cultural Australia, the old social democratic policies & services will be left far behind.

Welcome to the Asian century.

[JC1]

I believe the budget will not be passed in current form. If they don't back down and call a DD election, very good chance they will loose the election - as Abbott will loose all credibility and budget will have pushed many middle-ground people like myself to the labour camp.

[cleetusvandamme]

Australia is transitioning from a western European style democracy to an Asian Command economy.
With this kind of change, there are bound to be significant problems along the way, not simply economic.

Most, if not all of the social policy benefits Australia has gained from its Euriopean heritage will continue to be eroded,
as the transition from democratic free market to Asian command economy is completed.

It is ironic that the old white/european Australia policy, that many commentators now hate with a vengeance, provided
Australia with its democratic market economy & society, including all the social policy benefits. And now that the transition
to Asian/Multi-Cultural Australia continues at great pace, the same commentators are upset that this transition also requires
an erosion of those social policy benefits they had become so accustomed to.

In a nutshell, the end of European Australia, applauded by so many, ultimately meant the end of social democratic Australia.
The Asia-Pacific region is not renowned for its social democratic principles or ethics. As Australia continues its rapid
transition to Asian/Multi-Cultural Australia, the old social democratic policies & services will be left far behind.

Welcome to the Asian century.

Please explain how Australia is moving towards a command economy? Are we becoming communists?

And to credit the white Australia policy with providing current social policy benefits is laughable. Multiculturalism is to blame for Abbot's budget cuts?

Would love a factual explanation with examples, quotes or links.

[CunningLinguist]

Please explain how Australia is moving towards a command economy? Are we becoming communists?

And to credit the white Australia policy with providing current social policy benefits is laughable. Multiculturalism is to blame for Abbot's budget cuts?

Would love a factual explanation with examples, quotes or links.

Sorry I should have mentioned this earlier to save everyone time. The SmilingGiraffe is a fool and a troll, he has been banned 17 times.
Read this for some background on him before you take his posts seriously.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Please explain how Australia is moving towards a command economy? Are we becoming communists?

And to credit the white Australia policy with providing current social policy benefits is laughable. Multiculturalism is to blame for Abbot's budget cuts?

Would love a factual explanation with examples, quotes or links.

Chinese State Owned Enterpises have already bought significant parts of Australia's economic assets, most recently the Newcastle / Hunter docks for a couple of billion dollars. (It was on the news recently - NSW Govt selling off assets). Other Chinese companies that claim they are not SOEs almost certainly are, and could very quickly be nationlised by CCP if necessary. As more and more economic assets are sold, Australia's economy will continue to become more command based and centralised, like China - the Asianisation of Australia.

It is beyond question that Australia's current social policy, political and economic system is based on its European western democratic heritage. Asianisation and muti-culturalism (particularly Asianisation) is transforming Australia in every way, including its social democratic heritage. As the culture changes, so is the economy and social policy expectations, in order to fit better within the Asia-Pacific region. And it's happening at an ever increasing rate. This is irrefutable - look around and you will see.

[JC1]

No idea where you get your theory from. The budget problem is simply because too many baby boomers are now retiring, not enough working people supporting the old farts. With white Australia policy, the problem would have been a lot worse

[cleetusvandamme]

Chinese State Owned Enterpises have already bought significant parts of Australia's economic assets, most recently the Newcastle / Hunter docks for a couple of billion dollars. (It was on the news recently - NSW Govt selling off assets). Other Chinese companies that claim they are not SOEs almost certainly are, and could very quickly be nationlised by CCP if necessary. As more and more economic assets are sold, Australia's economy will continue to become more command based and centralised, like China - the Asianisation of Australia.

It is beyond question that Australia's current social policy, political and economic system is based on its European western democratic heritage. Asianisation and muti-culturalism (particularly Asianisation) is transforming Australia in every way, including its social democratic heritage. As the culture changes, so is the economy and social policy expectations, in order to fit better within the Asia-Pacific region. And it's happening at an ever increasing rate. This is irrefutable - look around and you will see.

Oh well, thanks for confirming you're a simplistic xenophobe.

Btw I don't think irrefutable means what you think it means...

[SmilingGiraffe]

Oh well, thanks for confirming you're a simplistic xenophobe.

Btw I don't think irrefutable means what you think it means...

Being aware of what is going on in the world does not make me a xenophobe, I regret that you so quickly draw the racist card.
However, it no doubt reflects your inability to make, or pursue, any particular point in a civil manner.
And "irrefutable" means exactly what I know it to mean - ie. impossible to deny.

You and I have different opinions, and that's perfectly fine. Unfortunately, you quickly resort to insult, whereas, you will notice, I do not.
I supect I'm the democrat here and you perhaps something else.

Look around young man, "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind's blowing."

[JC1]

You are obviously racist like Germany trying to blame the Jews for its problems previously. You can not blame the GFC on the Asians, cannot blame the neglect and incompetency from the governments Labour and Liberal on the Asians, and you can not blame the fact that your population is growing old fast on the asians. Get it thru your thick head, these are factors causing the budget problems.

[SmilingGiraffe]

No idea where you get your theory from. The budget problem is simply because too many baby boomers are now retiring, not enough working people supporting the old farts. With white Australia policy, the problem would have been a lot worse

I don't "get" my theories from anywhere; I look, I read, I think, I see and then I derive my own informed view.
You shouldn't wait around for someone who you regard to be an authority figure, to bestow upon you the theory or the perspective
that you must then dutifully take on board and adhere to. Powerful folk have been getting away with that for centuries.

[loaded]

This is probably the budget pain we have to have after 7 years of Labour miss management !

Most of the items will get through the senate, some will be fine tuned and whatever we end up getting, be grateful that this is probably the worst of the next two !

By the time the Australian people get to the polls again we should be in much better shape than the time we kicked out Rudd!

And that will be a good time to look at raising the GST and give the low and middle income earner a decent tax cut!!

There are so many people and companies that pay shit all in tax, only the GST will get something out of this lot and that's a good thing !!

On a punting industry point of point , everytime we pay to get a fuck or RnT , that cash economy and never get taxed, some of the WLs and MLs are also on Centerlink benefits while in fact they earn more money than you and I , so hell yes, let them pay the $7.00 co payment , let them pay more on petrol and better sooner than later let them pay more GST .

And the same can be said to all the tax cheats and dole cheaters!

Just my two cents

Cheers

Labor's mismanagement kept Australia out of recession and people in jobs during the GFC.
Howard is recognized as the highest spending government ever when it comes to spending as a percentage of GDP, not to mentioned he created the middle class entitlements that are now being cut back and not to mention squandering most of the benefits of the mining boom with those entitlements.

[SmilingGiraffe]

You are obviously racist like Germany trying to blame the Jews for its problems previously. You can not blame the GFC on the Asians, cannot blame the neglect and incompetency from the governments Labour and Liberal on the Asians, and you can not blame the fact that your population is growing old fast on the asians. Get it thru your thick head, these are factors causing the budget problems.

My dear fellow, you have abandoned yourself to fanciful rhetoric.
I do not blame the GFC on Asians, nor domestic government neglect on Asians, nor our
aging European population on Asians. I have not said any of these things in my posts.
It's very strange that you would suggest I have. Btw "thru" is incorrect spelling for "through."
Though I have not measured my head in detail, I suspect my highly convoluted brain does
in fact require a thick skull to protect it. And a thick skin to further protect that. So, to that extent,
you could possibly say I have a thick head. Take care sugarplum.

[loaded]

Had Labour ever been a successful or responsible economic manager when they are in power.

All I can remember was when we had a Labour government, they rang up huge debts and it was up to the Liberal government to fix the problem and brought us back to surplus. Those are the facts !!

The Hawke and Keating governments. They transformed the Australian economy with their macro and micro reforms. Now the only reason Keating left a budget deficit was due to the recession we had to have in the early 90s.

[SmilingGiraffe]

The Hawke and Keating governments. They transformed the Australian economy with their macro and micro reforms. Now the only reason Keating left a budget deficit was due to the recession we had to have in the early 90s.

It's easy to get lost in the detail on these matters. If economics was piece of cake, there'd be no problems anywhere.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing" and Australia is in a bit of trouble right now.
Things have been masked by the mining bonanza out west, but the economy is not in great shape, and the age of
benefit entitlement has long since past its use by date. Things had to change and the budget was the first important step.
But there's still a lot more to do. And, no doubt, some fine tuning of policies along the way will probably be involved.
That is the democratic way, right?

[JC1]

Totally agree, but is it not a bit sad that after all these years we still can only recall Hawke/Keating as a competent government.

[RoyalFlush]

"you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind's blowing."

Unfortunately, you need a weatherman to tell you where the wind is blowing.
It is ironic when you propose the theory that Australia is moving towards asian-styled command economy, focusing the blame on the chinese, while lauding the white policy supremacy, and then to quickly turnaround to suggest it is the very same culprit who steered Australia away from recession through the mining boom.
So what if you have mining assets but no customers to buy from it? It would be worthless. If Australia do not sell the assets, either piecemeal or the whole thing at once, can you guarantee that it will be sold in the future? The chinese will just continue to buy from their south american vendors, then Aust would have nothing and we would be in deep recession then.

Another problem is Aust is finding it increasingly hard to obtain additional revenue stream because we are just not competitive enough. If you increase company tax, it will just make things worse, and more companies will flee offshore. So what do you do? Cut costs domestically.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Unfortunately, you need a weatherman to tell you where the wind is blowing.
It is ironic when you propose the theory that Australia is moving towards asian-styled command economy, focusing the blame on the chinese, while lauding the white policy supremacy, and then to quickly turnaround to suggest it is the very same culprit who steered Australia away from recession through the mining boom.
So what if you have mining assets but no customers to buy from it? It would be worthless. If Australia do not sell the assets, either piecemeal or the whole thing at once, can you guarantee that it will be sold in the future? The chinese will just continue to buy from their south american vendors, then Aust would have nothing and we would be in deep recession then.

My dear fellow, you too have abandoned yourself to fanciful rhetoric.
I do not blame Chinese/Asians for any of Australia's problems. If blame is to be apportioned,
then it should be placed at the door of successive governments who have failed to show true
leadership in Australia, and merely pandered to every passing socio-political trend that gets
spewed out in the age of global media dictatorship. True leadership is sadly lacking in the
technological era, because leadership requires courage, and few people have that courage
in the face of the overwhelming power of global media. But, I live in hope, there's always hope.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Totally agree, but is it not a bit sad that after all these years we still can only recall Hawke/Keating as a competent government.

I think you make a very good point here. Hawke and Keating ran highly competent governments.
But they operated before the full onset of the domination of global media in the technological era.
However, Keating, in particular, would not have pandered to the media like the current political elites.
I'm of the "right-wing" but I recognize a great mind when I see or hear one, irrespective of "left or right."
Keating had a very good mind, and he knew all about power & leadership. And he still does.

But current governments operate in a very different global media environment, where they are constantly
distracted, diverted and bombarded by the pervasive and immensely powerful media/internet, that promotes
the break-up of community, family, traditions and institutions that have served us so very well.
Divide and conquer is the modus operandi of the global media dictatorship. It is not easy to govern in this era.

[AHLUNGOR]

One other problem we are facing is the interest rate !

We are current paying over 4% for our government debts because we borrowed from the international market !

England and Italy are also very heavily in debt but they borrowed from within on their own country men's savings and super and only pay around 2.5% interest.

What this mean is, if there is another GFC, Australia is a lot more vulnerable than our western trading partners !

So we must clear the debts level ASAP !

Go Anthony and Joseph !!

Cut, cut, cut !

Just my two cents !

Cheers