Thanks my dear friends massageguy and Ahlungor. Yes, I'm sure my views don't sit well with everybody and that's okay..it's just such an interesting topic of discussion. Maybe someone should start a thread along the lines of "when 'straight' guys come into a massage or full service shop asking the WL if she could slip a couple of fingers in their a** or even penetration with other objects for sexual gratification does that make them gay????"(apologies as now I'm getting off the beaten track). Anyhoooo I like reading the differing opinions as it certainly says a lot about someone. As does the forum name "cunt destroyer". I mean really..... that's class!! - NOT!