When does No mean Yes ?

[cosmos]

Has anyone been to a massage shop & asked for extras only to be told no even though you have the "impression" that yes they do ? This has happened to me many times & also applies to some massage clinics where I have not directly asked for any extras but given the female therapist encouragement during the massage so she knows exactly what I'm after. Cheers !

[Wayne]

never. If a woman says "no" then you must always respect her. No exceptions.

[wilisno]

Has anyone been to a massage shop & asked for extras only to be told no even though they have the "impression" that yes they do ? This has happened to me many times & also applies to some massage clinics where I have not directly asked for any extras but given the female therapist encouragement during the massage so she knows exactly what I'm after. Cheers !

You simply misread her " impression ", no means no.

[Littlewonder]

Thats why I like full service shops you know what your going to get its just the degree and extras and quality that is in doubt.

[wilisno]

Thats why I like full service shops you know what your going to get its just the degree and extras and quality that is in doubt.

Same deal, no means no !

[Sextus]

Here is an example from a recent cmk_76 review on Yumi where the blanket "no means no, no exceptions" cliche' quoted above seems to have about as much worth as all such generalisations do. Sex is about the imagination, the psychology, as much as it is about the physical sensations. (My bold emphasis added in cmk's excerpt.)

"In other sessions with her, I would use the thumb and index to insert both openings, while the tongue is duelling with her clitoris. I get really excited at her wriggling around, vocalising the ‘torture and pain’ that has been inflicted. This would only turn me on even further and encourage me to pervert further in depth, even when she would place her hand to pull my fingers away. It may seem like I was forcing myself on her, but it was all part of the intense act of indulgence between Yumi and I. It was almost like play rape.

Her moaning, body wriggling, tortured expressions would drive me wild and my violent act of pleasure begins. A favourite technique of mine would be to hold both her hands by the wrists with one hand, while I penetrate both orifices with the other hand, whilst frenetically tonguing her as well. Of course, I have, at every time, pushed just a little further with Yumi, as she satisfies my every insatiable sexual appetite."

I too have encountered hands reaching down to stop or pull me away from something I have been doing, and was very much liking doing. Still being inexperienced (but rather famously learning every day now under the influence of this forum) I have immediately obeyed the instruction of that restraining hand.

Reading this part of Cmk_76's report on Yumi (sorry, cmk_76 you do need to be more ruthless in editing out other excessive detail, so as not to dilute the impact of your excellent fiery stuff like the above) it made me think to start pushing some boundaries too. To maybe not be so passively obedient. I like the thought, for example, of the wrist lock used by cmk. Yoyo, the other day (the subject of a new report by me soon) allowed some of my tonguing of her arse, but then moved her hand down to dissaude me from it. I obeyed. Yet, encouraged by cmk now, I like the thought of responding to this in future with a FULLY PENETRATING DRAGON DRILL (which I still haven't done yet) Talk about a giving a stunning mutual charge!

[Travelmate]

No means No!
but sometimes "Yes" mean "No" after you pay.

She may say poor English such as:

1> "Not here"
2> "No touch"
3> "Ticklish"
4> "No!"
5> "Later"
6> "Period"
7> "Extra $50"

etc

What the fuck!

[8inches]

With the prices of extras some mls charge you're better off going to fs shops

[AHLUNGOR]

Has anyone been to a massage shop & asked for extras only to be told no even though you have the "impression" that yes they do ? This has happened to me many times & also applies to some massage clinics where I have not directly asked for any extras but given the female therapist encouragement during the massage so she knows exactly what I'm after. Cheers !

I think the best indications of whether extras or happy ending is on offer is how the ML wants you dressed on the massage table, if she told you to keep your pants on, then good luck Jose, enjoy your legit massage!! If she tells you to take everything off, then again, good luck Jose, only this time she may join you in your total nakedness in the not too distant future after the financials have been sorted out.

Just my two cents

Cheers

[wilisno]

Here is an example from a recent cmk_76 review on Yumi where the blanket "no means no, no exceptions" cliche' quoted above seems to have about as much worth as all such generalisations do. Sex is about the imagination, the psychology, as much as it is about the physical sensations. (My bold emphasis added in cmk's excerpt.)

"In other sessions with her, I would use the thumb and index to insert both openings, while the tongue is duelling with her clitoris. I get really excited at her wriggling around, vocalising the ‘torture and pain’ that has been inflicted. This would only turn me on even further and encourage me to pervert further in depth, even when she would place her hand to pull my fingers away. It may seem like I was forcing myself on her, but it was all part of the intense act of indulgence between Yumi and I. It was almost like play rape.

Her moaning, body wriggling, tortured expressions would drive me wild and my violent act of pleasure begins. A favourite technique of mine would be to hold both her hands by the wrists with one hand, while I penetrate both orifices with the other hand, whilst frenetically tonguing her as well. Of course, I have, at every time, pushed just a little further with Yumi, as she satisfies my every insatiable sexual appetite."

I too have encountered hands reaching down to stop or pull me away from something I have been doing, and was very much liking doing. Still being inexperienced (but rather famously learning every day now under the influence of this forum) I have immediately obeyed the instruction of that restraining hand.

Reading this part of Cmk_76's report on Yumi (sorry, cmk_76 you do need to be more ruthless in editing out other excessive detail, so as not to dilute the impact of your excellent fiery stuff like the above) it made me think to start pushing some boundaries too. To maybe not be so passively obedient. I like the thought, for example, of the wrist lock used by cmk very much. Yoyo, the other day, (the subject of a new report by me soon) alowed some of my tonguing of her arse, but then moved her hand down to dissaude me from it. I obeyed. Yet, encouraged by cmk now,I like the thought of responding to this in future with a FULLY PENETRATING DRAGON DRILL (which I still haven't done yet) Talk about a giving a stunning mutual charge!

A girl finally succumbs to the pressure or " persuasion " to perform an act which she initially refuses does not mean she's a willing participant. Although she might find it enjoyable afterwards or pretend to be enjoyable afterwards does not alter the fact that it wasn't her intention to provide that service.

[AHLUNGOR]

With the prices of extras some mls charge you're better off going to fs shops

Once again, if you want FS, you should always go to a FS shop.

However, who can beat the value of $30/30 min massage with a free HJ from 501/532 Newtown !!

Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

A girl finally succumbs to the pressure or " persuasion to perform an act which she initially refuses does not mean she's a willing participant. Although she might find it enjoyable afterwards or pretend to be enjoyable afterwards does not alter the fact that it wasn't her intention to provide that service.

Is this not one of main reasons why people go to RnT shops and always try to push the limits and boundaries of the MLs and get satisfaction out of it - almost a sense of triumph !! Eventhough they know all too well that they can get a sure thing in a FS shop with better facilities and services. But getting the MLs to do things and services they don't normally do or give in to your advances/demands/requests is just a temptation and kicks too hard to resist...........lol - I must say, only for some punters, but the numbers are growing............haha

Cheers

[Sextus]

A girl finally succumbs to the pressure or " persuasion " to perform an act which she initially refuses does not mean she's a willing participant. Although she might find it enjoyable afterwards or pretend to be enjoyable afterwards does not alter the fact that it wasn't her intention to provide that service.

It would be a pretty bland forum if all we did was agree fully with each other all the time. Even though it has been my stated intent, through properly argued logic, to convert EVERYONE to the way I think, no matter what the topic is. Following this conversion success, I'd then have to move onto the next sex forum (I am a member of no other) and begin again.

Looks like I won't be leaving this forum anytime soon, eh?

Wilisno and I, for example, have been vigorous sparring partners on other threads. So I certainly respect him and his views. Over 8000 posts! That alone deserves a lot of respect! Wilisno, you have it from me.

[wilisno]

Is this not one of main reasons why people go to RnT shops and always try to push the limits and boundaries of the MLs and get satisfaction out of it - almost a sense of triumph !! Eventhough they know all too well that they can get a sure thing in a FS shop with better facilities and services. But getting the MLs to do things and services they don't normally do or give in to your advances/demands/requests is just a temptation and kicks too hard to resist...........lol - I must say, only for some punters, but the numbers are growing............haha

Cheers

That's also one reason I don't go RnT

[wilisno]

It would be a pretty bland forum if all we did was agree fully with each other all the time. Even though it has been my stated intent, through properly argued logic, to convert EVERYONE to the way I think, no matter what the topic is. Following this conversion success, I'd then have to move onto the next sex forum (I am a member of no other) and begin again.

Looks like I won't be leaving this forum anytime soon, eh?

Wilisno and I, for example, have been vigorous sparring partners on other threads. So I certainly respect him and his views. Over 8000 posts! That alone deserves a lot of respect! Wilisno, you have it from me.

Nothing's more enjoyable than a civilized debate.

[8inches]

Check out Stevens guide
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.ph...=Steven+seagal

[sinchankeren]

yes means yes, no means no

but if you want extra service, just show your last $100 from your pocket

[spankmymonkey]

Only thing you need to know is:

No means yes, Yes means anal

[Littlewonder]

I think that you sould always assume no means no and that way you wont go far wrong.

[Sextus]

I think that you sould always assume no means no and that way you wont go far wrong.

Isn't that a little too safe, vanilla, and pedestrian?

What about Cmk_76's experience of pushing at boundaries for a real charge of sexual energy?