Sugarbabes - Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast markets

[BennyB]

I thought it might be useful to provide some basic comparisons of the Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast market for Sugarbabes. I punt in all three.

My target market setting is usually 22-28, slim or Athletic. Caucasians or Eurasians are my personal preference.

I will sometimes raise the age bracket as there are some lovely, fit women who are in the 28 - 35 bracket, no kids and have a better understanding of their bodies and sexuality (don't we all when we are older?)

My observations as follows for the Sydney market:


Higher and faster response rates
More direct and business like conversations in Sydney
i.e. "don't text me, just call me"
Faster to move from SA to kik/whatsapp/text
Girls are much readily available to meet, I'm am usually propositioned to meet on the day
Little hesitation to meet for coffee/lunch/drinks. The girls are so confident that after the pre meet comes the play time, it's almost a given for them.
Hardly anyone asking for deposits or pre payments (I don't think I have received one to date)
Prices are currently feel a bit inflated. Some of this is their annual post Christmas credit card repayment cycle 😂
$500 in Sydney is comparable to $400 in Melbourne and Gold Coast
A number of chancers who will throw out big numbers, but if you know how to negotiate, this can easily be $500
Timing of dates can be a little quicker. Usually an hour over lunch/dinner/cocktails followed by 2+ hours of play. Usually 2 rounds of 45 minutes each is what I look for as an outcome.

Ongoing I aim to achieve a lower PPM overall. I'll pay a little more for a once off, or first time meet.

[Triplesec]

I have some questions if you don't mind. What website do you use? SA? And it seems like it's almost a given that sex will occur? So essentially it sounds like escorting with an extra step. If so, how does the conversation start and flow? Super interesting topic to me.

[Johnisfun1969]

I thought it might be useful to provide some basic comparisons of the Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast market for Sugarbabes. I punt in all three.

My target market setting is usually 22-28, slim or Athletic. Caucasians or Eurasians are my personal preference.

I will sometimes raise the age bracket as there are some lovely, fit women who are in the 28 - 35 bracket, no kids and have a better understanding of their bodies and sexuality (don't we all when we are older?)

My observations as follows for the Sydney market:


Higher and faster response rates
More direct and business like conversations in Sydney
i.e. "don't text me, just call me"
Faster to move from SA to kik/whatsapp/text
Girls are much readily available to meet, I'm am usually propositioned to meet on the day
Little hesitation to meet for coffee/lunch/drinks. The girls are so confident that after the pre meet comes the play time, it's almost a given for them.
Hardly anyone asking for deposits or pre payments (I don't think I have received one to date)
Prices are currently feel a bit inflated. Some of this is their annual post Christmas credit card repayment cycle 😂
$500 in Sydney is comparable to $400 in Melbourne and Gold Coast
A number of chancers who will throw out big numbers, but if you know how to negotiate, this can easily be $500
Timing of dates can be a little quicker. Usually an hour over lunch/dinner/cocktails followed by 2+ hours of play. Usually 2 rounds of 45 minutes each is what I look for as an outcome.

Ongoing I aim to achieve a lower PPM overall. I'll pay a little more for a once off, or first time meet.

Thanks for sharing your experience. This is valulable information.

[BennyB]

I have some questions if you don't mind. What website do you use? SA? And it seems like it's almost a given that sex will occur? So essentially it sounds like escorting with an extra step. If so, how does the conversation start and flow? Super interesting topic to me.

Hi Triplesec - absolutely.

Seeking (SA) and SugarDaddyMeet would be the primary sites I use.

There are ways to tell whether she is looking for sex or not. I would say that it is a very small proportion that are not on the side to have more / better sex with benefits. Older guys are a thing for many women. Especially if you can hold your own in conversation and have your shit together.

In terms of how to close on SA, I'm happy to share my thoughts on PM about the kind of methods that I've found effective.

Over the past few years I've found it a fascinating experience. Complementary to WLs / MLs and dating in real life. It's all part of the intimacy spectrum and each niche has it's place.

[BennyB]

Thanks for sharing your experience. This is valulable information.


Thanks for your note John and you are welcome.

[Triplesec]

Hi Triplesec - absolutely.

Seeking (SA) and SugarDaddyMeet would be the primary sites I use.

There are ways to tell whether she is looking for sex or not. I would say that it is a very small proportion that are not on the side to have more / better sex with benefits. Older guys are a thing for many women. Especially if you can hold your own in conversation and have your shit together.

In terms of how to close on SA, I'm happy to share my thoughts on PM about the kind of methods that I've found effective.

Over the past few years I've found it a fascinating experience. Complementary to WLs / MLs and dating in real life. It's all part of the intimacy spectrum and each niche has it's place.


Yeah I'm finding myself getting drawn more and more to a FWB/Sugarbabes experience as I get older. The only real issues I have are girls who cause drama, so establishing clear boundaries are a must and figuring how to choose and/or find an appropriate girl. I do have a free account on SA I've poked around a bit on; but it's hard to tell who is fake or not without the ability to message etc. But yeah finding a good educated girl who loves to hang out, chill and fuck without causing drama would be perfect. I'd be glad to support one.

[BennyB]

Unfortunately, having a free account is like standing outside the bar with a six pack of beers while the hot girls inside are talking to guys who are buying them drinks.

Your chance of being noticed - next to none.

Paying for membership helps the girls filter the actually SDs from the hangers on.

[Triplesec]

Hahah yeah I know. Reminds me of when I was browsing escort ads years ago, but too afraid to send a message.

[BennyB]

Send me a PM if you have questions. Happy to help.

[juscruisin58]

Yeah I'm finding myself getting drawn more and more to a FWB/Sugarbabes experience as I get older. The only real issues I have are girls who cause drama, so establishing clear boundaries are a must and figuring how to choose and/or find an appropriate girl. I do have a free account on SA I've poked around a bit on; but it's hard to tell who is fake or not without the ability to message etc. But yeah finding a good educated girl who loves to hang out, chill and fuck without causing drama would be perfect. I'd be glad to support one.

As with BennyB, you are also welcome to PM me with any questions.
I am coming up for 2 yrs with my SB and we have been exclusive for 18 months.
She basically lives with me fulltime and is at Uni studying Criminal Psychology, her goal is a Phd.
Has to be one of the most drama free females I've ever met

[Triplesec]

As with BennyB, you are also welcome to PM me with any questions.
I am coming up for 2 yrs with my SB and we have been exclusive for 18 months.
She basically lives with me fulltime and is at Uni studying Criminal Psychology, her goal is a Phd.
Has to be one of the most drama free females I've ever met

Wow, living the dream. I'd kill for a young drama free girl who knows exactly what she wants.

[BennyB]

Many of them on SA / SDM are drama free.

Equally many of them who are drama queens.

Knowing the difference is as important as knowing the difference between service from WLs and MLs. it's why we all join review forums.

[Double_Adapter]

All women are drama queens. In fact all the women I’ve met have been executive producers of drama. Some will create a mini-series out of it, whilst others a docu-drama. Some will even produce a special sequel episode or a remake of last season’s nail biter. At work there are chicks that have created a long standing melo-drama series that would rival days of our lives. It’s inherent in their emotional nature - so it is what it is. The only reason guys put up with it is for the promise of booty and pussy.

[cumquat]

All women are drama queens. In fact all the women I’ve met have been executive producers of drama. Some will create a mini-series out of it, whilst others a docu-drama. Some will even produce a special sequel episode or a remake of last season’s nail biter. At work there are chicks that have created a long standing melo-drama series that would rival days of our lives. It’s inherent in their emotional nature - so it is what it is. The only reason guys put up with it is for the promise of booty and pussy.

Go zoo-bon dbl adapter

Who is your fave character from bold n beautiful ?

Btw bro bruh can you remind siphon to send me the chick he dogs from that groovy MP

you right gud bruh

[BennyB]

Go zoo-bon dbl adapter

Who is your fave character from bold n beautiful ?

Btw bro bruh can you remind siphon to send me the chick he dogs from that groovy MP

you right gud bruh

I'm going to need more than google translate for this one I think.

[BennyB]

Hahah yeah I know. Reminds me of when I was browsing escort ads years ago, but too afraid to send a message.


Weren't we all like that at some point?

And also the guys who turned their collars up and wore a hat into a brothel for fear that someone would recognise us?

(although the best thing about going into brothels was always the waiting room. Before mobile phones. Guys would sit back and have a chat and it was like an informal forum - we'd recommend who someone should see and what was on offer. Often the girls would come out for a chat as well between bookings.)

[BennyB]

Following on from my original post, my observations of the Melbourne Sugarbabe market

Ignore the ones who reach out to you directly. They've been sitting at home playing with their crap efforts at Onlyfans content
Melbourne is more about the connection. Girls more interested in ongoing (ppm or allowance)
More high quality options and VFM is greater from my experience
Ratio of Sugar babies to Sugar daddies in Melbourne is higher than Sydney
Girls more interested in a pre meet and working out if they are into you. Goes with the point above on the pre meet
Lots of uni students, consistent with it being the Education capital
Meets take a little longer to organise, usually 1-2 weeks
$500 in Sydney is comparable to $400 in Melbourne and Gold Coast.
I've had more experiences in Melbourne where girls prefer gifts/experiences to cash (gifts, expensive dinners, paying their monthly phone bill, buying them a phone, etc)
Girls are incredibly open minded. BB, anal, creampies, CIMSW, BDSM, fetish role play - it's like a wonderland of discovery and they've all been watching a lot of 50 Shades down there

I have two regulars currently in Melbourne. One on $400 PPM and one on $350 PPM. I see them once a month on average when borders are not locked up. Both can host but we switch up between theirs and my hotel suite.

[Markin]

VFM = value for money

Thank you for the great content BennyB and others. I feel like this 'lifestyle' is ideal if you're rich and single or have to travel for work. I'm financial but I work from home.

I'm also a RnT guy. Partly because I'm a tightwad but also FS doesn't appeal for some reason.

Then again I'm in a relationship that might be on it's last legs. SDing might end up being a great option, at least for a while, if things keep going south with my missus.

[BennyB]

Thanks Markin

I appreciate the feedback. All of the SDs I know are married or partnered. All have multiple SBs - Caucasian and Asian. All the guys are between 30 and 70.

I agree financial stability is important, but you don’t have to be rich.

I typically spend $1,600 a month and will have 2-3 Sugarbabes on available rotation at any point in time.

In return I am getting about 30 hours of time with them, so paying $53 / hour. About half of that is sex. I will be on the receiving end of around 12 SB orgasms a month, which equates to about $133 per orgasm.

I sugar date Caucasians mainly. Ages range from 22 to 28.

I am married and can be flexible with my work.

Nothing wrong with being a tightwad, but if you are, then once you have paid $400 for 2-3 hours of BB sex including anal with a 20 something uni student, then there is no RnT that can match it (apart from the massage of course. I’ve never met a decent Sugarbabe who can give you a properly trained 40 minute remedial massage)

You don’t have to take my word for it. Just jump onto the Sugarbabe review forums and you will see that I’m just one of many guys that get this.

[gkpuntin]

Great insights Benny - appreciate it.

Is there a reason why you go for 22+? i.e did you find that going for 18-21s bit more drama / not as smooth / harder to lock in etc?

[BennyB]

Sugarbabes on the Gold Coast - my observations

The Gold Coast is an interesting place and, while we have visions of plastic girls and boys, there are a surprising number of down to earth, normal girls on the Sugarbabe sites up there.

Gold Coast is all about chilled outdoor fun and play. Being healthy and an outdoor type who can also dress well and hold a conversation helps
Being a fly in from Melbourne or Sydney is a positive as the girls don't generally want anything too heavy and they know you are heading back
A lot of healthy, tanned, beach girls around - the job market doesn't pay well and many are saving to travel, start their own business, etc
The usual number of sharks, but they are so transparent you would have to be blind not to see them coming
PPM is the go here. While the girls like a bit of chat online, many are happy to meet up in public and then play afterwards
Lots of uni students working in hospitality so ask them where they want to meet - it won't be where they work
Took me a little longer to initially break into the market but once I did it was a flood of experiences
$500 in Sydney is comparable to $400 in Melbourne and Gold Coast.
Girls are open minded and experimental. Apart from one encounter, everyone I played with on my last trip was BB.
If you know what you are doing and they feel comfortable, anal is something many in this generation want to discover. It must be all that sun.

[giobien]

Hi Triplesec - absolutely.

Seeking (SA) and SugarDaddyMeet would be the primary sites I use.

There are ways to tell whether she is looking for sex or not. I would say that it is a very small proportion that are not on the side to have more / better sex with benefits. Older guys are a thing for many women. Especially if you can hold your own in conversation and have your shit together.

In terms of how to close on SA, I'm happy to share my thoughts on PM about the kind of methods that I've found effective.

Over the past few years I've found it a fascinating experience. Complementary to WLs / MLs and dating in real life. It's all part of the intimacy spectrum and each niche has it's place.

Thanks for sharing. Seems most of them are open to sex but don't want to officially state that in their profile. How do you filter?

[BennyB]

Great insights Benny - appreciate it.

Is there a reason why you go for 22+? i.e did you find that going for 18-21s bit more drama / not as smooth / harder to lock in etc?

Hi gkpuntin - that is precisely the reason I don't play under 22.

I know a few younger SDs (25-30) who have shared their reviews on TNT that have had success with the younger 18-22 cohort.

For me being 40, I find them too flaky, too sexually inexperienced and not a lot of life experience. So while some of them are hot and I've fucked a few very hot 20 year olds including this one (https://members.seeking.com/member/b7dd6589-cbc6-4a3c-9d2b-e8caecc926d1) when I was last in Melbourne, they are just not the most interesting in or out of bed.

[BennyB]

Thanks for sharing. Seems most of them are open to sex but don't want to officially state that in their profile. How do you filter?

You can't talk about sex for money openly on SA as you could find yourself reported and banned. Despite this, it's the reason that most people are on the site. So you use euphemisms like intimacy, play date, fun, etc.

Which site are you using and feel free to PM me if you need more?

[Riff888]

Hi Benny B
Are you based in Melbourne?

TNT is based in Melbourne and the sugar baby section is mainly Melbourne based SBs.

There's really only one main guy from Sydney who reviews Sydney based SBs. I haven't seen any of the reviewed girls in Sydney.

That's fine though, I prefer the girls that pause their account when they are in an arrangement.

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[BennyB]

Hi Benny B
Are you based in Melbourne?

TNT is based in Melbourne and the sugar baby section is mainly Melbourne based SBs.

There's really only one main guy from Sydney who reviews Sydney based SBs. I haven't seen any of the reviewed girls in Sydney.

That's fine though, I prefer the girls that pause their account when they are in an arrangement.

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Hi Riff - I have offices in three cities so I punt all over Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne. I'm Sydney based (when I am not travelling).

I started off using Reddit, where I got a lot of leads and there was some good discussion, although it is fragmented. Have also tried PP, ISG and TNT. I'd say, of the different options, TNT is the only one that has dedicated reviews of Sugarbabes and a Sugarbabe community. There's quite a few guys on there that are sharing Sydney SB content from when I went on earlier today.

I'm always keen to hear from anyone who wants to talk Sugarbabes and equally share what I know in return. If it's not already clear, it's one of my favourite punting subjects ;-)

[Riff888]

Hi Riff - I have offices in three cities so I punt all over Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne. I'm Sydney based (when I am not travelling).

I started off using Reddit, where I got a lot of leads and there was some good discussion, although it is fragmented. Have also tried PP, ISG and TNT. I'd say, of the different options, TNT is the only one that has dedicated reviews of Sugarbabes and a Sugarbabe community. There's quite a few guys on there that are sharing Sydney SB content from when I went on earlier today.

I'm always keen to hear from anyone who wants to talk Sugarbabes and equally share what I know in return. If it's not already clear, it's one of my favourite punting subjects ;-)I don't think it's worth the $120 subscription fees for 5 months. There's hardly anything for Sydney.

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[BennyB]

As with BennyB, you are also welcome to PM me with any questions.
I am coming up for 2 yrs with my SB and we have been exclusive for 18 months.
She basically lives with me fulltime and is at Uni studying Criminal Psychology, her goal is a Phd.
Has to be one of the most drama free females I've ever met

That’s the beauty of Sugarbabes. You never know when you are going to stumble on a unicorn. Congratulations on picking yours!

[BennyB]

I don't think it's worth the $120 subscription fees for 5 months. There's hardly anything for Sydney.

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I did not pay anything. I signed up and submitted a Sugarbabe after report (they call them reviews). when I joined. Didn’t cost me anything apart from the time it took to write it.

[Riff888]

I did not pay anything. I signed up and submitted a Sugarbabe after report (they call them reviews). when I joined. Didn’t cost me anything apart from the time it took to write it.You're missing out on a big chunk of reviews. Like the BB Reviews.76631

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[BennyB]

You're missing out on a big chunk of reviews. Like the BB Reviews.76631

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BB is my favourite way to play :)

[Riff888]

BB is my favourite way to play :)Lol what type of answer is that [emoji23]

Like I said before.

TNT is not worth it unless you live in Melbourne. You only get access to that 150 page book on SBs once you subscribe.

Apparently 40% of reviews are in the BB section so you must be just reading the non BB reviews.

There's far better intel on this forum.76632

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[OLD SNAKE]

just sounds like dealing with a bunch of gold diggers to me, and you find most gold diggers work in retail,
and they are easy to catch if you have the right bait,
so on a friday, saturday go find your target, make shore she's not to younger or too old, spy on her and see if she has good happy work persona, you don't want a whinging bitch
than go to a jewellery store like Gregory Jewellery and buy something cheap for yourself like a bracelet, and wear it but carry the bag,
go talk to the girl and ask her for help, women love being in control, but be firm in what you want like a t-shirt
make shore she sees the bag and watch her reaction, if its good than turn the conversation to your purchase,
and mention that you are upgrading your life a bit that's why you are out shopping, girls love positive men, especially if they are spending money.
this is where you can watch her body language and see if she ready to go, or not, than ask her if she wants to go have a few drinks if yes take her some where sheek
and don't be cheap, also make shore your house is clean because there is a high chance she is a milf and living with her parents

[BennyB]

Like I said before - I've been on TNT, PP, ISG and TERB for years. And now Au99.

I bought the TNT Sugarbabe book. You don't have to subscribe to get it. You can join up for free by submitting a review and then once you are a member you can buy the book. There are different options. Subscription is one option and it is there for the guys who are new to Sugarbabes and want to learn at their own pace.

A bad Sugarbabe punt can cost you $400 or even more. I had too many of those when I was starting out. I wish I could have paid $120 for a Subscription to a forum with hundreds of threads on Sugarbabes and a handbook to save my wallet. It's pretty easy maths.

[BennyB]

Lol what type of answer is that [emoji23]

Like I said before.

TNT is not worth it unless you live in Melbourne. You only get access to that 150 page book on SBs once you subscribe.

Apparently 40% of reviews are in the BB section so you must be just reading the non BB reviews.

There's far better intel on this forum.76632

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We're just talking Sugarbabes yeah?

Well here is a summary of what is out there for the Australian punter:

Punter planet - No Sugarbabe forum; 2 threads, random chat. No reviews of individual girls, their pricing and how to connect with them

ISG - No Sugarbabe forum, random Q&A. No review of girls.

TNT - Dedicated Sugarbabe forum. A few thousand threads on Sugarbabes. Over a thousand reviews on individual girls. Also reviews of individual girls who are scammers so you can avoid them. Agree Sydney content is smaller than Melbourne. But Sugarbabes are replicable across Australia I've found. Sydney Sugarbabe content way bigger than here.

Aus99 - No Sugarbabe forum. Two threads on Sugarbabes. No reviews of any girls.

I'm not saying any one forum is better than the other. I use different forums for different things as they are complementary. But when it comes to Sugarbabes, I know where I go to get my info.

[Johnisfun1969]

We're just talking Sugarbabes yeah?

Well here is a summary of what is out there for the Australian punter:

Punter planet - No Sugarbabe forum; 2 threads, random chat. No reviews of individual girls, their pricing and how to connect with them

ISG - No Sugarbabe forum, random Q&A. No review of girls.

TNT - Dedicated Sugarbabe forum. About 2,500 threads on Sugarbabes. Over a thousand reviews on individual girls. Also reviews of individual girls who are scammers so you can avoid them

Aus99 - No Sugarbabe forum. Two threads on Sugarbabes.


Hi BennyB, I have been enjoying reading your comments. Thanks for your contribution. Could I ask what is TNT?

By the way ISG has been very useful for information on the international punting scene. As a enthusiats one would learn from few of these sites and adapt the information to their own prefernce or circumstances.
Currently it looks like South America is the only active puntiong ground.

[Markin]

Could I ask what is TNT?


https://thenakedtruth.reviews/

[BennyB]

Hi BennyB, I have been enjoying reading your comments. Thanks for your contribution. Could I ask what is TNT?

By the way ISG has been very useful for information on the international punting scene. As a enthusiats one would learn from few of these sites and adapt the information to their own prefernce or circumstances.
Currently it looks like South America is the only active puntiong ground.

Hi Johnisfun1969 - thank you for your reply. It has been very welcoming on Au99 so thank you to everyone who has been joined in here.

TNT is another forum. You can just google the naked truth reviews.

ISG - I agree. It was very helpful to me when I got started in the US and had good intel on the FKK scene in Germany. That is some seriously wild shit. Like a Rocco Siffredi pool porn party. Hopefully travel becomes cost effective soon.

[Riff888]

Here are some stats from TNT.

Again, mainly reviews of SBs in Melbourne.

To access all areas you you to pay a subscription fee of $120 per 5 months as shown in my previous posts.

Hi Benny, you posted a profile of a girl you saw in Melbourne. Would you mind posting a girl you've seen in Sydney please?

Also, you are tagged everytime you view a profile in SA,76636

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[BennyB]

Hey Riff - I haven't paid anything to access the SB reviews on TNT. I joined up for free and have posted reviews. Subscriptions are only for guys who want to read and learn and don't yet have anything to contribute.

I also don't know where you are getting the sub fee of $120 for 5 months - you will have to email their admins and find out.

If you want to see reviews of girls on TNT, why don't you post your reviews? You said you had a few SBs. Why don't you review them on here even? Quid pro quo.

I'll also repeat my point above - there are no Sugarbabe reviews of girls on Au99. There are hundreds on TNT across Sydney, Melbourne, GC, Brisbane.

I've shared a couple of Sydney girls on private message with guys here who have chatted to me - you are welcome to connect if you want to share intel. I think I have been very generous with what I have shared on here. At least that seems to be the feedback from others.

Cheers
Bb

[BennyB]

What do you mean you are tagged every time you view a profile on SA?

[Riff888]

Hey Riff - I haven't paid anything to access the SB reviews on TNT. I joined up for free and have posted reviews. Subscriptions are only for guys who want to read and learn and don't yet have anything to contribute.

I also don't know where you are getting the sub fee of $120 for 5 months - you will have to email their admins and find out.

If you want to see reviews of girls on TNT, why don't you post your reviews? You said you had a few SBs. Why don't you review them on here even? Quid pro quo.

I'll also repeat my point above - there are no Sugarbabe reviews of girls on Au99. There are hundreds on TNT across Sydney, Melbourne, GC, Brisbane.

I've shared a couple of Sydney girls on private message with guys here who have chatted to me - you are welcome to connect if you want to share intel. I think I have been very generous with what I have shared on here. At least that seems to be the feedback from others.

Cheers
BbHi Benny
As you can clearly see from the picture in my previous post, the $120 subscription fees for 5 months comes directly from the TNT team. I can upload the full email if required.

You cannot access the BB section with out a payed subscription. Maybe you have been a member longer but this is the case for new members.

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[Riff888]

What do you mean you are tagged every time you view a profile on SA?What I mean is this.

The girl will know if you view her profile just like someone checking your LinkedIn profile.

Also I've made my view of this clear.

I don't think it's fair for the girls if you share their pictures, contact details with members of a public sex forum without their consent.

I don't see any issues with reviews or sharing their SA profile name. Since that will give the girls the choice of who they want to give their personal details or private pictures to.

I have shared my experiences in other threads but will not share any information about the girls while I'm still seeing them. I do respect the girls and their privacy.

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[BennyB]

What I mean is this.

The girl will know if you view her profile just like someone checking your LinkedIn profile.

Also I've made my view of this clear.

I don't think it's fair for the girls if you share their pictures, contact details with members of a public sex forum without their consent.

I don't see any issues with reviews or sharing their SA profile name. Since that will give the girls the choice of who they want to give their personal details or private pictures to.

I have shared my experiences in other threads but will not share any information about the girls while I'm still seeing them. I do respect the girls and their privacy.

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On SA you can just change your profile settings so that someone can't see you when you view their profile. There are multiple adjustments you can make of what the girls can and cannot see.

[Riff888]

On SA you can just change your profile settings so that someone can't see you when you view their profile. There are multiple adjustments you can make of what the girls can and cannot see.Avoiding the big question I see.

Actually, you have a very high daily average post count similar to trolls.

Your posts are long as if using a PC/laptop instead of a phone.

Like career forum poster.

When do you have time to see any girls [emoji23]

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[BennyB]

Re not submitting reviews - that's fine. I'm relaxed about what people want to share and not share on here. Hopefully the members reading on here have found me to be generous in sharing what I know about the Sugarbabe market.

Review forums are like any other kind of forum. It's horses for courses and I'm not suggesting any one forum is better than the other. I just use them for different things.

I use carsales.com to buy my cars, I use realestate.com to buy my properties. In the same way, if you are into Sugarbabes and you want to submit and read reviews on them, I've provided my thoughts on where they are.

[BennyB]

Avoiding the big question I see.

Actually, you have a very high daily average post count similar to trolls.

Your posts are long as if using a PC/laptop instead of a phone.

Like career forum poster.

When do you have time to see any girls [emoji23]

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Silly me. I thought we were having a friendly conversation Riff.

I'll let others judge whether this thread and my contribution is useful or not.

I enjoy helping people. Why are you on here?

[Xorro]

Silly me. I thought we were having a friendly conversation Riff.

I'll let others judge whether this thread and my contribution is useful or not.

I enjoy helping people. Why are you on here?

Good info being shared here guys. My experience with SD was a brief one and not good.

I signed up with Seeking as a premium member for a couple of months.
The first person I met in person off the Seeking site seemed a bit of a scammer.

We had a meal at a restaurant which I paid for and at the end of the meal when we were planning to leave, she asked for about 200$ in cab charge, so all up it cost around 300$ - bit of a waste if you ask me since there was no intimacy involved. I lost interest both in the girl and in SD and didn’t pursue things any further.

I think the key is to be upfront early on regarding financial and other expectations and whether any $$ will change hands without intimacy.

[suckitbaby]

That $120 for 5 months is a subscription to the general forums , not the SB forums. I know that because I am a subscriber there because I travel Syd and Melb and a bit lazy to post reviews so it is worth it for me.

[Riff888]

That $120 for 5 months is a subscription to the general forums , not the SB forums. I know that because I am a subscriber there because I travel Syd and Melb and a bit lazy to post reviews so it is worth it for me.I already have access to the general forum.

It's the BB SB section you need the subscription for.

Yeah, the rules to writing reviews are ridiculous.76651

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[paulgallen]

Good info being shared here guys. My experience with SD was a brief one and not good.

I signed up with Seeking as a premium member for a couple of months.
The first person I met in person off the Seeking site seemed a bit of a scammer.

We had a meal at a restaurant which I paid for and at the end of the meal when we were planning to leave, she asked for about 200$ in cab charge, so all up it cost around 300$ - bit of a waste if you ask me since there was no intimacy involved. I lost interest both in the girl and in SD and didn’t pursue things any further.

I think the key is to be upfront early on regarding financial and other expectations and whether any $$ will change hands without intimacy.

So I guess need to be clear about what happens on a date. Ie any money to be paid just for meetup

[Riff888]

So I guess need to be clear about what happens on a date. Ie any money to be paid just for meetupYeah if you meet a girl for a drink/dinner, you'll have to pay for that. You can then see if you click and if she can host, then you're all set.

If she can't host then a cheap hotel or Dayuse or your place if you can.

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[Vader]

No different to chatting a girl up in a pub or an interest group apart from joining fees etc etc

[Hippo80]

Thanks Riff888 and BennyB. Your posts are always interesting and helpful with lots of information. I appreciate that you share your experience with us to avoid wasting our money. It's not often that you get these info for free 😀

[BennyB]

Good info being shared here guys. My experience with SD was a brief one and not good.

I signed up with Seeking as a premium member for a couple of months.
The first person I met in person off the Seeking site seemed a bit of a scammer.

We had a meal at a restaurant which I paid for and at the end of the meal when we were planning to leave, she asked for about 200$ in cab charge, so all up it cost around 300$ - bit of a waste if you ask me since there was no intimacy involved. I lost interest both in the girl and in SD and didn’t pursue things any further.

I think the key is to be upfront early on regarding financial and other expectations and whether any $$ will change hands without intimacy.

I’m sorry to hear you had a crap first (and only?) experience Xorro.

A $200 cab charge is extortionate. I’m happy to take a chance on dinner with a a good looking girl if there has been an indication that the chemistry is there. I prefer to back myself in to seduce them over dinner.

But if I’m paying $200 in cab fare, then perhaps I’m the one who got hooked? Where on earth could you go for that money? I’ll either put you on the train or drive you home if necessary.

In the end, it’s all part of the education. Presumably you will be sharper the next time around?

[BennyB]

So I guess need to be clear about what happens on a date. Ie any money to be paid just for meetup


It is important to be clear, but don’t be so specific and demanding that you kill the vibe.

As I said on the other thread, I never pay for my time. It’s as valuable as hers.

[Rogeryou]

I thought it might be useful to provide some basic comparisons of the Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast market for Sugarbabes. I punt in all three.

My target market setting is usually 22-28, slim or Athletic. Caucasians or Eurasians are my personal preference.

I will sometimes raise the age bracket as there are some lovely, fit women who are in the 28 - 35 bracket, no kids and have a better understanding of their bodies and sexuality (don't we all when we are older?)

My observations as follows for the Sydney market:


Higher and faster response rates
More direct and business like conversations in Sydney
i.e. "don't text me, just call me"
Faster to move from SA to kik/whatsapp/text
Girls are much readily available to meet, I'm am usually propositioned to meet on the day
Little hesitation to meet for coffee/lunch/drinks. The girls are so confident that after the pre meet comes the play time, it's almost a given for them.
Hardly anyone asking for deposits or pre payments (I don't think I have received one to date)
Prices are currently feel a bit inflated. Some of this is their annual post Christmas credit card repayment cycle 😂
$500 in Sydney is comparable to $400 in Melbourne and Gold Coast
A number of chancers who will throw out big numbers, but if you know how to negotiate, this can easily be $500
Timing of dates can be a little quicker. Usually an hour over lunch/dinner/cocktails followed by 2+ hours of play. Usually 2 rounds of 45 minutes each is what I look for as an outcome.

Ongoing I aim to achieve a lower PPM overall. I'll pay a little more for a once off, or first time meet.

This is fucken gold bro when I go up to Brisbane for magic round this year I will make sure I have a young stunner to smash for the entire 3 days 😂

[BennyB]

No different to chatting a girl up in a pub or an interest group apart from joining fees etc etc

I’d say quite different. Especially if you are married/partnered and over 40. Even for the younger guys who struggle with dating women in their private lives, this is one pathway that can help them improve their game. Just as it is a means for many younger women to accelerate their own life experience.

Every arrangement is different and valuable life experience. In the same way that spending time with a professional sex worker is valuable experience.

[Riff888]

Haha I just got banned from TNT for using a review I wrote on this forum.

I wonder who told them Mr Benny or maybe you are a TNT moderator.

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[Raybo]

Small fry on this thread from what I have heard. Girls earning 10k a month but have to fuck like machines and party.

[BennyB]

This is fucken gold bro when I go up to Brisbane for magic round this year I will make sure I have a young stunner to smash for the entire 3 days ��

Hi Roger you are welcome. A lot young women travel down to the Gold Coast on weekends, so Brisbane can be deserted on Fridays. That might be worth thinking about when are considering timing.

I also found the Gold Coast women more available during the week. That's handy for me anyway as I can be moving between States for work anyway.

[BennyB]

Thanks Riff888 and BennyB. Your posts are always interesting and helpful with lots of information. I appreciate that you share your experience with us to avoid wasting our money. It's not often that you get these info for free ��

You are welcome Hippo. There were very few resources around when I first started punting Sugarbabes a few years ago. I'm just sharing what I wish I had known when I set out.

[Rogeryou]

Hi Roger you are welcome. A lot young women travel down to the Gold Coast on weekends, so Brisbane can be deserted on Fridays. That might be worth thinking about when are considering timing.

I also found the Gold Coast women more available during the week. That's handy for me anyway as I can be moving between States for work anyway.


I will be looking to book some hottie out for 48 hours straight 😆 I am sure I will find something

[Vader]

Raybo, I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.

[juscruisin58]

Raybo, I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.

10k in a night 😳😳😳😳😳
Hope whatever they are doing is legal

[BennyB]

There are as many different women who have signed up to a Sugarbabe site as there are different women in a bar.

It would be wrong to make the assumption that they are all the same, or have the same motivations.

You don’t pick them as much as they select you.

So play if you have game, or want to learn how to improve yours.

[BennyB]

Haha I just got banned from TNT for using a review I wrote on this forum.

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I've always thought they were an excellent judge of character over there. Your post confirms it.

[BennyB]

I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.

Do you mean on Sugarbabe sites? Who are these spenders and why would they come to seeking.com if they have that kind of money to blow on an evening?

[Riff888]

I've always thought they were an excellent judge of character over there. Your post confirms it.Haha they knew it from this site. That moderator Treanchy or something contacted me but said subscription is welcome, yes good judge of character [emoji1]

I used the same username as my one here and was waiting to see how long a TNT spy would report me to the mods.

Anyway all good.

We just move on on this forum.

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[Riff888]

Raybo, I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.I know the popular WLs were making up to $10k per week pre Covid but never heard of this per night.

I've seen some privates advertise from $1,500 to $4k for overnight stays.

Maybe the girls that serviced Kerry Packer back in the day were making this or more.

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[Vader]

The real good ones are still getting it Riff. There is a big market out there with men that can afford it.

[Riff888]

The real good ones are still getting it Riff. There is a big market out there with men that can afford it.Yes the top 1%

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[Vader]

Yes the top 1%

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I have seven of them and I am only a small operator. There are a lot more than you think. You don't know about them if you aren't in that league.

[BennyB]

I have seven of them and I am only a small operator. There are a lot more than you think. You don't know about them if you aren't in that league.

You are an agent?

[BennyB]

A few observations from my week in Melbourne on business:

- The Sugarbabe market is starting to turn up some new profiles, which is good. It seems like more girls are starting to join up to the site again after the end of their lockdowns

- The ratio of Sugarbabes to Sugardaddies in Melbourne is higher than Sydney and it is usually a good place to go if you are into SBs as the students are plentiful.

- The women in general just dress very well down there. Of the two girls I saw while I was in town, it did impress me how much care they take in their appearance. It’s always nice to be in public with someone who takes a bit of care in their appearance and turns heads.

- I thought the accommodation was going to be more expensive this week because the tennis was on, but there were still many more options (hotels / Airbnbs) than I can sometimes find back in Sydney.

- A comparison of Dayuse rates shows me that Melbourne Dayuse options are more flexible than Sydney and about 15 - 40% cheaper in most cases. A lot more boutique hotels on offer.

- My two PPMs both settled at $400. In both cases we talked about it over dinner and went back to the hotel I was staying in. One was a protected meet (although BBBJ was nice) and one was unprotected. One I paid cash and the other by electronic transfer (her preference).

- I found it really easy to get a table at almost any restaurant in Melbourne. The options are plentiful as the city runs all night, although the patronage is down, so walk ins are easier than I’ve found in the past (usually always had to book)

Flying into Melbourne is still a bit like Checkpoint Charlie, although coming back to Sydney was a breeze. No checks or restrictions whatsoever. I also noticed a lower level of mask enforcement on the airplane.

[GoldfishMan]

You are an agent?
You believe everything you read on the internet?

[Riff888]

You believe everything you read on the internet?Hahahaha

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[Riff888]

Had a nice night with my main girl V celebrating her 24th birthday with style. I think I got the present though.

I wonder will this make a dent in brothel revenue if more punters become SDs.

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[BennyB]

You believe everything you read on the internet?

Touche...Goldfishman...touche!

[Vader]

You believe everything you read on the internet?

A very definite no.

[juscruisin58]

You believe everything you read on the internet?

Haha, don't believe half of what I read here, let alone the rest of the internet

[BennyB]

Haha, don't believe half of what I read here, let alone the rest of the internet

Hopefully that's not this thread @juscruisin58 :question:

[BennyB]

February is traditionally a great month for the Sugarbabe sites.

A few things that increase the number of women signing up to the platforms:

1. Universities go back and many girls are moving out of home and realising it costs a lot more to enjoy the same lifestyle

2. They've started thinking about where they are going on holiday, or student debt they want to pay off, or the property market they want to get into, or just the latest handbag they want to buy and a friend has suggested going onto a Sugarbabe site

3. January is statistically a month where many relationships end - and girls find themselves trying something new. Like sugar dating.

Hopefully it's a good month for you guys who are thinking of trying it out for the first time.

[juscruisin58]

Hopefully that's not this thread @juscruisin58 :question:

There is a couple on this thread that i feel are taking the piss.
Certainly not referring to you

[Triplesec]

February is traditionally a great month for the Sugarbabe sites.

A few things that increase the number of women signing up to the platforms:

1. Universities go back and many girls are moving out of home and realising it costs a lot more to enjoy the same lifestyle

2. They've started thinking about where they are going on holiday, or student debt they want to pay off, or the property market they want to get into, or just the latest handbag they want to buy and a friend has suggested going onto a Sugarbabe site

3. January is statistically a month where many relationships end - and girls find themselves trying something new. Like sugar dating.

Hopefully it's a good month for you guys who are thinking of trying it out for the first time.


Your level of insight is hilarious (in a good way). It makes sense. Ahhh the temptation.

[Vader]

It's like Monty Python's "The Yorkshire Men"

[BennyB]

Your level of insight is hilarious (in a good way). It makes sense. Ahhh the temptation.

I don't think you have anything to lose Triplesec?

The WLs / MLs will still be there when you want a quickie and, with Sugarbabes, you are not getting married. You can walk whenever you feel like it.

[BennyB]

Found these interesting stats on another forum

Top 10 Sugar Baby Sugar Cities in Australia:

1. Melbourne: 20,547 sugar daddies / 84,797 sugar babies

2. Sydney: 19,086 sugar daddies / 69,745 sugar babies

3. Brisbane: 6,312 sugar daddies / 32,454 sugar babies

4. Perth: 6,913 sugar daddies / 26,371 sugar babies

5. Adelaide: 4,527 sugar daddies / 16,779 sugar babies

6. Gold Coast: 3,099 sugar daddies / 15,794 sugar babies

7. Newcastle: 1,306 sugar daddies / 5,596 sugar babies

8. Canberra: 2,287 sugar daddies / 5,939 sugar babies

9. Wollongong: 572 sugar daddies / 2,195 sugar babies

10. Townsville: 303 sugar daddies / 1,043 sugar babies

[StiFFFy]

Much obliged for the details there Benny.
500 per night/encounter does sound more appealing considering you get the whole package and seems to have higher ROI (return on investment) overall to say 1 WL at 500/h.

Given your need for discretion, what advice would you give to a fellow tinfoil hatter who doesn't even do social media?

[BennyB]

Hi Stiffy - I would say that not having social media puts you in a stronger position in terms of discretion.

If you don't have socials, you don't have the risk that something you share with a girl on SA is floating around on social media for them to track you down. If anyone is asking you for your socials, I would not be handing it out. I simply say that I like to keep my SA life and my day to day life quite separate.

If your question is about SA/SDM verification, I've never verified myself on SA or SDM and don't intend to. If someone wants to verify me, they are welcome to meet me in person in a public place over coffee or a glass of wine.

In terms of discretion, I would also say, more broadly, that it's good to have a balanced approach. You don't want to be so private that you are hard work to connect with or the girls never see photos of you. Equally, you don't want to be opening yourself up to scammers. Taking basic precautions are easy - have a video call, meet them in person first, judge by the way the conversation is going whether they sound normal and worth engaging with.

Does that help?

[StiFFFy]

Thanks Benny, all great advice.
Was thinking along the same lines myself.
I'd be happy to upload a pic, just not my face. With reverse image search these days it's too easy to get fired if you work in sensitive industries.

[BennyB]

Some alternatives:

1. upload a shot that crops off below your nose. A smile always works

2. Have a shot of you from behind looking out to something in the distance

3. Share full face photos in your private album. Most girls will understand this.

[cumquat]

BTW who authored the DIY how too self help sugar daddy dating book , that is being sold on the naked truth (TNT)?

I do seem too recall awhile ago someone here was saying they were.. anyone want too fess up ?

[BennyB]

You mean the actual person? I don't know who authored it but I have mentioned it. It's a good book. Helped me to save a lot of money and time on what could have been dud punts.

[BennyB]

It’s been a quiet fortnight on Seeking.com with girls locally.

I’m noticing that a lot of profiles are being rehashed and some of the normal cycling of girls that we would see as they pick up a few regulars and go offsite hasn’t happened.

Part of this is Christmas holidays - Sugardaddies and and the girls go away on family holidays and it’s a slow start back. Some of this is the wait for new international talent - the backpackers, students, 20-something working visas.

Sugaring is now very popular in the UK, Europe and Canada and girls who come over know that they have this as a back up plan. Why go work shifts in a brothel or escort for an agency when you can have the flex to get paid for who and when you have sex, while you live your Instagram life at the same time. And you also keep all of the money.

At the same time, I reckon this is a good time to be working out the Sugaring game if you are a guy.

It’s like pre-season training. You need to get match fit on Seeking and work out your game plan, profile, photos, etc.

You could be getting yourself in shape, figuring out how to regularly squirrel some extra cash away, etc.

The best time to prepare is before the flood. Not in it.

[limbi8888]

Well, i'm really happy with the insights of this post. I never even thought about SBs before this. Wasn't even sure it was an option. From my background the financial markets are gona be a killer, i believe there will be a crash of sorts in the markets, that means more people are gona need help, so if you position yourself in a good way you could do well from it

[BennyB]

Even through COVID and the lockdowns and job losses, the girls were not asking for crazy amounts.

One SB student that I see on a PPM basis when I go down to Melbourne I could not see for much of last year as the borders were closed.

She could not work as hospitality in Melbourne was shut. So I would send her $200 a week directly into her bank account. It was no big deal to me.

When we caught up after the lockdowns ended, she confessed that the weekly amount helped keep her going and was a lifesaver that meant she did not have to move back home. It made me realise just how much she appreciated the small gesture.

On my last three trips she has refused to take any money from me.

Sometimes just being a nice guy is enough. You don’t have to be Mr Gym body or Mr Ferrari to score as a Sugardaddy.

[Aussieguyinsf]

I’m going to wait for the next 25% off promo to rejoin SA - Valentines Day I reckon.

[icethetea]

Many thanks BennyB for giving us some insight into the markets around Aus.

I'm new to sugar dating. I am going to QLD for a week for a work trip in a couple of weeks. I am keen to test the water there.

How long in advance do you recommend to start communicating with the girls there on SA?

You mentioned it took you a little longer to break into the market in GC and the girls there like to talk a bit more online.

I find the girls responded a bit better in Sydney if you don't beat around the bush too much. Is that not the case in GC?

[BennyB]

Waiting for the promos is an excellent strategy - works if you are a SA member. They don't give it out on joining (for those hoping they do)

I usually take membership for one month at a time and then wait for their bots to send me discount vouchers for rejoining.

[celine0202]

Someone really pays for a book that is written by another punter to … what, be a daddy?
Amazing! Guys are really that autistic?? ?

[dotcumdotinyou]

Now watch Celine as Good ol Benny will come back with an essay to respond to you as well as trying to put you down nicely and then pointing out his only AR.

He is the ultimate salesman for his book and his site.

[exstar]

Whether or not BennyB is the author or owner shouldn’t matter. Most people here have their own agendas in promoting specific shops or girls anyway.

At face value his advice here would have saved heaps of hours and dollars making sense of the SB world, and I commend him in taking the time to write out his well thought out responses.

My only grievance with this is that there will be a influx of newbie SDs who I hope don’t ruin the market 😂

[celine0202]

Step 1: have your extra capital in your bank account
Step 2: browsing and filter scams with your common sense (if you already feel struggle in this stage you better not doing anything, don’t buy shitcoins btw)
Step 3: fuck responsibly (such as “no condom seggs iz good, and she’s doing it only with me”)

♥️Free resource♥️

[celine0202]

- I have offices in three cities so I punt all over Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne. I'm Sydney based (when I am not travelling). ;-)

Do your sugar children know that you are writing review on them?

[BennyB]

I’d like to say it was a fine effort with the dog whistle DotCumInYourOwnMouth but then again it wasn’t.

Why you spend so much time on Sugarbabe threads when you have no interest in them, and have never been in the game, beats me.

The great thing about an online forum is that everyone else gets to judge when you are being a dick and when you are being useful.

[StiFFFy]

Someone really pays for a book that is written by another punter to … what, be a daddy?
Amazing! Guys are really that autistic?? ?> be celine
> know how to cook but still spend 100s of dollars on cooking magazines, written by other cooks to learn new recipes.
Amazing! Are you really that autistic you can't cook beef boungon by yourself?

Kindly go back to wherever you came from and let us be.

[celine0202]

> be celine
> know how to cook but still spend 100s of dollars on cooking magazines, written by other cooks to learn new recipes.
Amazing! Are you really that autistic you can't cook beef boungon by yourself?

Kindly go back to wherever you came from and let us be.

Relax mr snowflake and sorri if i trigger your spastic
Don’t tell me what to do though kek and what the fuck is beef boungon? Beef testicles?

Brain Sex : The Real Difference Between Men and Women : The Real Difference Between Men and Women
(https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/239954.Brain_Sex?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=tdQZe1ICML&rank=2)Mating in Captivity: Reconciling the Erotic and the Domestic
(https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27485.Mating_in_Captivity)Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8031168-delusions-of-gender)

[Riff888]

> be celine
> know how to cook but still spend 100s of dollars on cooking magazines, written by other cooks to learn new recipes.
Amazing! Are you really that autistic you can't cook beef boungon by yourself?

Kindly go back to wherever you came from and let us be.You haven't tried her food, it's pretty good. Plus she just gets ideas from YouTube these days.

Has anyone read punting 101?

I read a few parenting books almost 2 decades ago and what did I learn? Nothing but all kids are different.

Nothing against TNT, try them. If you don't want to pay the subscription just write a review for WLs/MLs and SBs so you can see the reviews. Just remember about 80% are in Melbourne and you won't have access to the SB BBFS section which is subscription only.

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[BennyB]

The last time I looked there were over 2,000 Sugarbabe threads on TNT.

Based on your analysis, that’s about four hundred more Sydney Sugarbabe threads than on here.

The way you put it, it seems a logical option for those of us interested in Sugarbabes.

[BennyB]

Someone really pays for a book that is written by another punter to … what, be a daddy?
Amazing! Guys are really that autistic?? ?

You throw words like autism and spastic around quite loosely.

It reflects poorly on you.

Especially when you turn passive aggressive and try to humiliate a fellow member over his spelling.

You are on a public forum. Embarrassing yourself is optional.

[celine0202]

You throw words like autism and spastic around quite loosely.

It reflects poorly on you.

Especially when you turn passive aggressive and try to humiliate a fellow member over his spelling.

You are on a public forum. Embarrassing yourself is optional.

Dear sir,

Sorry if I offended you with words such as autism and spastic, I was meant to say that which of you are that desperate and paying for the book to make a reservation with a service provider? some are just curious maybe.
I don’t like people exploit desperate others. That’s all
I may have the worst reputation on this forum but i am okay in real life. Guess you are the same.

Sincerely,
Ps do your sugar children know that you write reviews about their performance on a public forum? (Just curious no passive aggressive added)

[BennyB]

Dear sir,

Sorry if I offended you with words such as autism and spastic, I was meant to say that which of you are that desperate and paying for the book to make a reservation with a service provider? some are just curious maybe.
I don’t like people exploit desperate others. That’s all
I may have the worst reputation on this forum but i am okay in real life. Guess you are the same.

Sincerely,
Ps do your sugar children know that you write reviews about their performance on a public forum? (Just curious no passive aggressive added)


You could have sent me a PM or even asked civilized and reasonable questions on this thread if your intent was genuine. Instead you decided to piss on the topic.

I don’t exploit desperate others and you could not truthfully make that claim from what I have written in this forum.

I don’t review the women I meet on Seeking in a public forum. If you understood anything about TNT you would know that is not what it is.

I’m sure you will appreciate why I don’t engage any further.

[juscruisin58]

Dear sir,

Sorry if I offended you with words such as autism

You are lucky I cannot identify you.
I have a profoundly Autistic sibling, the way you use the word Autistic as a way to incite, abuse, disrespect someone is abhorrent.

I sincerely hope, when you do the same to someone's face, rather than hiding behind a keyboard, they teach you a painful life lesson.

You good sir are a fucking lowlife

[DireStraits]

You are lucky I cannot identify you.
I have a profoundly Autistic sibling, the way you use the word Autistic as a way to incite, abuse, disrespect someone is abhorrent.

I sincerely hope, when you do the same to someone's face, rather than hiding behind a keyboard, they teach you a painful life lesson.

You good sir are a fucking lowlife

I think many of us who have been around here for years know who the person behind username celine0202 is… a Korean ex-WL who’s been extensively reviewed here. She has two other pseudonyms that she’s well-known by - C..….. and J…..

She’s not a bad person if you know her, and is a smart girl, but sometimes tries to be too smart or show how clever she is by dropping words (e.g. autistic, spastic) which she doesn’t fully understand, and which unfortunately has the opposite effect.

She does love a bit of banter and stirring the pot though and can often come off as being abrasive or offensive.

Agree with Benny though that if her intent was genuine, she should have just PMd him.

Benny mate, don’t mind the detractors here. The info you’ve shared has been quite interesting and food for thought…

[celine0202]

Try harder maybe?
I am as autistic as your sibling and i have the lowest life so it doesnt bother me heh
I’m not here for making frens

My logic
Any retard buy a book?
If you didn’t buy a book=you are not retard
most of people=not retard

This logic makes sense so you just butt scratch with my words such as autism and spastic
Tsk tsk

@Dirreah s.. something
Are you trying to say my real name or something? Just say it *refreshing every 5mins*

Oh and I’m sorry if I misunderstood your forum since i can’t join i have to guess it from bareback discussion board. I thought you write this kind of thing but my bad ��

[BennyB]

Found these interesting stats on another forum

Top 10 Sugar Baby Sugar Cities in Australia:

1. Melbourne: 20,547 sugar daddies / 84,797 sugar babies

2. Sydney: 19,086 sugar daddies / 69,745 sugar babies

3. Brisbane: 6,312 sugar daddies / 32,454 sugar babies

4. Perth: 6,913 sugar daddies / 26,371 sugar babies

5. Adelaide: 4,527 sugar daddies / 16,779 sugar babies

6. Gold Coast: 3,099 sugar daddies / 15,794 sugar babies

7. Newcastle: 1,306 sugar daddies / 5,596 sugar babies

8. Canberra: 2,287 sugar daddies / 5,939 sugar babies

9. Wollongong: 572 sugar daddies / 2,195 sugar babies

10. Townsville: 303 sugar daddies / 1,043 sugar babies


To bring us back on topic, I thought the stats here were really interesting. Even if only directionally accurate, they do make me reflect on

1. The high ratio of active females to males on Seeking

2. I agree with the comments I've read on here and elsewhere that this is not entry level punting - it's definitely higher up the shelf.

3. If you work and travel with your work, it can be a very attractive proposition (for both you and the SBs involved)

I'm going up to Brisbane in a fortnight and will be flying a Sugarbabe up with me. The incremental cost is not excessive as I already have a hotel booked for work. I'm keen to hear from others on here about how they have handled the financial arrangements when travelling with their Sugarbabes - or do you prefer to travel and meet Sugarbabes in other cities? Both are great options I think.

[Johnisfun1969]

To bring us back on topic, I thought the stats here were really interesting. Even if only directionally accurate, they do make me reflect on

1. The high ratio of active females to males on Seeking

2. I agree with the comments I've read on here and elsewhere that this is not entry level punting - it's definitely higher up the shelf.

3. If you work and travel with your work, it can be a very attractive proposition (for both you and the SBs involved)

I'm going up to Brisbane in a fortnight and will be flying a Sugarbabe up with me. The incremental cost is not excessive as I already have a hotel booked for work. I'm keen to hear from others on here about how they have handled the financial arrangements when travelling with their Sugarbabes - or do you prefer to travel and meet Sugarbabes in other cities? Both are great options I think.

Hi Benny, my experience is not with SB but with some FWB kind of arramgement with gifts and dinners thrown in. If you are flying a SB with you that's like having your own beer on tap rather than finding a pub and sampling the local beer. The local beer may turn out craft beer with pleasant notes or a home brew gone bad. Or you could say its like going to a resteraunt which allows BYO which could be easy on the wallet.

With me I was lucky with my travels most of the time, but there were times my lady friends would not turn up or had other plans. Those nights I ended up with myself and the blue balls.
One time after I finalised a date with one girl the other girl who was my preffered option replied and wanted to meet. Had to cancell the first one with excuse but ended up pissing her off as she did not like the idea being dropped. I can't complain as I had a good time.

[dotcumdotinyou]

Ooohhhh...what's wrong beeny buoy are you upset with me? Book sales down? Registrations for your website slowing?

Let me help you, why not try a book signing at Dymocks? you can spruik your website while signing your book. Try other punting forums like ausxxx or pp. But remember to put up an ar before you start spruiking that way if anyone calls you out you can point to it and tell them you have more credibility than they do.

Don't get upset with Jerry, she's a nice girl and although she doesn't have any ar she does have credibility as she's been reviewed many times.

There ya go beeny buoy mate problem sorted and we're bestest buddies again.

[konfuzion]

Ooohhhh...what's wrong beeny buoy are you upset with me? Book sales down? Registrations for your website slowing?

Let me help you, why not try a book signing at Dymocks? you can spruik your website while signing your book. Try other punting forums like ausxxx or pp. But remember to put up an ar before you start spruiking that way if anyone calls you out you can point to it and tell them you have more credibility than they do.

Don't get upset with Jerry, she's a nice girl and although she doesn't have any ar she does have credibility as she's been reviewed many times.

There ya go beeny buoy mate problem sorted and we're bestest buddies again.
He only put ar when I said he tnt sales man. Admin should block him he competition

[BennyB]

Whether or not BennyB is the author or owner shouldn’t matter. Most people here have their own agendas in promoting specific shops or girls anyway.

At face value his advice here would have saved heaps of hours and dollars making sense of the SB world, and I commend him in taking the time to write out his well thought out responses.

My only grievance with this is that there will be a influx of newbie SDs who I hope don’t ruin the market ��

Hi Exstar - I think your comments re money saving in particular are spot on.

You will come across scammers and time wasters on Seeking, just as you do amongst the professional WL / ML class. Knowing how to avoid them is just one benefit of having a group of SDs sharing intel on scammers and we could easily do it on here.

The upside of Sugarbabes is that it is much harder to get sucked into a bait and switch.

[BennyB]

My only grievance with this is that there will be a influx of newbie SDs who I hope don’t ruin the market ��

I think a mad influx of new SDs is unlikely. It seems like they are all down at Number 5 although no one seems to send in reviews, so perhaps that should be the question for the detractors.

As you can see from the stats regarding the ratios of active SDs to SBs there is a long way to go before there is a market imbalance. So I think you are safe Exstar!

[BennyB]

Benny mate, don’t mind the detractors here. The info you’ve shared has been quite interesting and food for thought…

I don't mind a bit of banter Dire Straits. I even sent a polite PM asking the individual to keep on topic. Hopefully good manners will prevail.

I find it interesting that the forum has WLs on here. It would seem to be a conflict of interest for punters? In my experience it only ever results in blow ups and arguments. Case in point.

[BennyB]

He only put ar when I said he tnt sales man. Admin should block him he competition

Welcome back to the topic.

As a punter shouldn't you be excited about more choice? Or more value for money options? Competition is great for you as a consumer.

Would you really want just one grocery store to shop at, or one restaurant to eat at? Of course not. Monopolies are bad for consumers.

The more information sources for you, the better. The more men punting Sugarbabes, the better it is for you as it means less competition at your favourite shop.

The only reason to not want more competition is because you are either a WL, or you run a shop, or you are getting kickbacks to send someone to a shop. Which is it?

[Rogeryou]

Try harder maybe?
I am as autistic as your sibling and i have the lowest life so it doesnt bother me heh
I’m not here for making frens

My logic
Any retard buy a book?
If you didn’t buy a book=you are not retard
most of people=not retard

This logic makes sense so you just butt scratch with my words such as autism and spastic
Tsk tsk

@Dirreah s.. something
Are you trying to say my real name or something? Just say it *refreshing every 5mins*

Oh and I’m sorry if I misunderstood your forum since i can’t join i have to guess it from bareback discussion board. I thought you write this kind of thing but my bad ��

Very poor choice of words and use of adjectives here.

[rooter]

Can't understand why so much agro and hostility here.
Some dude talking about the sugar baby scene.
Big deal, let him go for it. If you are interested, then tune in, maybe you will learn something, if not then go to another thread.
Is he using the Forum to brag? Yes of course he is.
Is he using the Forum to boast about his exploits? Yes of course he is.
Is he enjoying the attention ? Yes of course he is.
But hey, 99% of the guys on this Forum do the same thing.
Lets be honest with ourselves, we are guys who pay girls to suck our dicks, nothing more, nothing less, we can call ourselves punters or sugar daddies or Calathumpians but its all the same thing, and it's all good.
So we should welcome this long lost brother who comes from distant lands and give him a meal, and a cup of Arak and fermented mare's milk and a warm place by the fire rather than turn him away into the cold wintery night and wet snow.
What has happened to our sense of hospitality? What have we become? Has 2 years of covid hardened our hearts? Is this what our ancestors would want us to become? Savages who turn away a brother?
Yeah OK, there are probably other Forums that are more specific to the sugar baby scene where he can post, but the sugar baby scene is just sugar coated punting so its totally appropriate for it to be discussed here.
And FFS there are threads in this Forum about sport, TV shows, politics and all sorts of non punting shit and that's the beauty of this Forum, is very open and relaxed, not like some other fascist Forums around.
Enjoy!

[Rogeryou]

Can't understand why so much agro and hostility here.
Some dude talking about the sugar baby scene.
Big deal, let him go for it. If you are interested, then tune in, maybe you will learn something, if not then go to another thread.
Is he using the Forum to brag? Yes of course he is.
Is he using the Forum to boast about his exploits? Yes of course he is.
Is he enjoying the attention ? Yes of course he is.
But hey, 90% of the guys on this Forum do the same thing
Yeah OK, there are probably Forums that are more specific to the sugar baby scene where he can post, but as I said in another post the sugar baby scene is just sugar coated punting so its totally appropriate for it to be discussed here.
And FFS there are threads in this Forum about sport, TV shows, politics and all sorts of non punting shit and that's the beauty of this Forum, is very open and relaxed, not like some other fascist Forums around.
Enjoy!

I think its been awesome!
I got onboard and loving it, it is a better form of escorting imv. I don’t feel like the dude is ego based, he is providing his experiences as most of us do.
Nothing to brag about here we are all paying for sex!
HEAPS of guys on here with agendas pushing stuff. Blokes repeating the same top 5 for the last 5 years, they are just promoting MLs for their own gain!
Others maintaining threads for shops for discounts or free service, why the fck else would you waste your time doing that.

[DireStraits]

As above. If this thread on the sugar scene interests you, then stick around and read/learn/contribute… If not, do yourself and everyone else a favour and jog on please.

[StiFFFy]

Try harder maybe?
I am as autistic as your sibling and i have the lowest life so it doesnt bother me heh
I’m not here for making frens

My logic
Any retard buy a book?
If you didn’t buy a book=you are not retard
most of people=not retard

This logic makes sense so you just butt scratch with my words such as autism and spastic
Tsk tsk

@Dirreah s.. something
Are you trying to say my real name or something? Just say it *refreshing every 5mins*

Oh and I’m sorry if I misunderstood your forum since i can’t join i have to guess it from bareback discussion board. I thought you write this kind of thing but my bad ��You sound like some jealous obese middle aged woman who has been scorned by a bad breakup lately, and by the sounds of things, need a good romp to get over it.

Fuck it, I'll take one for the team and volunteer, if it means you leave us alone. PM me Where and when you want to meet, Celine. Want me to bring my gimp suit as well? Ball gag OK? What about paper bags?
Back on topic, do SBs who indulge in the fun illicit activities openly advertise, or is it more like life, get to know em first?

[BennyB]

Lets be honest with ourselves, we are guys who pay girls to suck our dicks, nothing more, nothing less, we can call ourselves punters or sugar daddies or Calathumpians but its all the same thing, and it's all good.So we should welcome this long lost brother who comes from distant lands and give him a meal, and a cup of Arak and fermented mare's milk and a warm place by the fire rather than turn him away into the cold wintery night and wet snow.

Thanks Rooter. What I would give for a cup of fermented mares milk. Sounds better than squirting :-)

[BennyB]

Back on topic, do SBs who indulge in the fun illicit activities openly advertise, or is it more like life, get to know em first?

Hey Stiffy - I think every woman on SA, apart from the very small number of innocents who turn up, understands that sex is on the cards. Say 95% know this is so.

Some proportion of them will be pros - also advertising on E&B and the like. If that is what you are looking for, I'd just go to those sites.

Some proportion will be flirting in the grey area between escorting and thinking they are not yet fully escorts - I've seen girls on SA who came on as a Sugarbabe and then later seen them pop up on Locanto or E&B. If you get them before they become pros, you can score big time as you lock in an experience and an arrangement rate that others who come later don't get.

Then there are the girls who think it's a bit of a kink fantasy to have guys pay them for sex (the escort "fantasy")

The girls who are sick of bad tinder dates and would like a little more romance and a little "gift" for their time

The ones who don't conflate sex with love and who just love to fuck but don't want to be labelled prostitutes

The ones who have serious older man crushes / daddy issues

There's a long, long list of the different types you find on SA.

Unlocking who they are is where the magic is. Treating them all as a carbon copy might get you some hits and some fucks, but I find the individualised, personal approach to each of them more interesting, for me anyway.

[StiFFFy]

Appreciate the informative write up Benny, but I was trying to descretely ask if any Babes would be open to doing lines from a 7 inch erect shlong.

[keebab]

Enjoying this thread. It's not an avenue I've ever explored but def sounds interesting.

[BennyB]

Appreciate the informative write up Benny, but I was trying to descretely ask if any Babes would be open to doing lines from a 7 inch erect shlong.

Bloody hilarious Stiffy. As for your question - I'm sure they are. I just don't look for that myself. There do seem to be a lot of party girls on SA. A few have asked me to bring something stronger than a bottle of wine...

[buckjoe23]

I got banned from SA for violating their rules. Apparently I was trying to procure sex in exchange for money. I’d actually had three sugaring arrangements from the site, one that continues to this day as an affair rather than a paid exchange.

Tried to re-join but their system knocked me back.

[BennyB]

I got banned from SA for violating their rules. Apparently I was trying to procure sex in exchange for money. I’d actually had three sugaring arrangements from the site, one that continues to this day as an affair rather than a paid exchange.

Tried to re-join but their system knocked me back.

Tough to hear Buckjoe

The Sugaring Sites are pretty ruthless with that. All it takes is for a girl to report you and then the admins to ban you.

Have you tried a fresh email address (not the same email source provider - e.g. if you were on gmail, sign up to another free site) and credit card details?

[BigPanda]

Long time lurker here, I just signed up to Seeking.com thanks to this thread … wish me luck boys… lessgo!

[heianth]

Be interesting to hear how brothers have managed with the wonderful insight from Benny.

Benny do those stats you posted include bots? I read some sites use those as a way to get SDs to sub etc.

I'm interested to know how you juggle your personal life with your SD life. I'm always too concerned how I might bump into someone I know etc. Ever had a close call where the two worlds collided?

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[BennyB]

Be interesting to hear how brothers have managed with the wonderful insight from Benny.

Benny do those stats you posted include bots? I read some sites use those as a way to get SDs to sub etc.

I'm interested to know how you juggle your personal life with your SD life. I'm always too concerned how I might bump into someone I know etc. Ever had a close call where the two worlds collided?

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Hi mate - it's a good question. I don't think we will ever know how many bots are on any site? Social media, or wherever. Have you seen any direct claims or evidence of that with Seeking? Be good to read about it if you have.

In my 3+ years on SA I've seen plenty of scammers, just as you do in any form of punting. But you learn to pick them out and there are sites with lists of profiles that are scammers. So you can avoid them.

I won't give you my personal tally, as that would be considered bragging, but I wouldn't be talking positively about it if I wasn't a satisfied consumer of the Sugarbabe product.

Re those stats, regardless of the numbers, I think directionally Sugaring is becoming more mainstream. It will be interesting to watch how it influences social behaviour.

[BennyB]

I'm interested to know how you juggle your personal life with your SD life. I'm always too concerned how I might bump into someone I know etc. Ever had a close call where the two worlds collided?

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There are always risks and close calls. Just like there are in any form of punting.

My close calls have never been having a woman I've slept with turn up in at a social event or in business, or even be connected to me by degrees of separation. That all comes down to shot selection I think. I've never actually recognised anyone on SA that I know, whereas I have seen people I know on Tinder and Hinge.

Leaving a packet of kamagra / viagra or an unused condom wrapper, or a hotel key in my jacket pocket is the closest I've come. And once I stupidly took home a girl's purse after a night of sex - it found it's way into my briefcase somehow and I had to return it the following day.

Not punting in the suburb where I live, or women in the same industry as me and picking people who seem normal and not psycho all lowers your risk. Working and travelling around the States is also helpful. Fortunately there are Sugarbabes in every suburb and there are hotels in just about every suburb. Just keep it simple.

[BennyB]

Ever had a close call where the two worlds collided?

Lastly - the Sydney to Melbourne flight path is one of the most heavily used domestic routes in the world.

I reckon there is just so much untapped potential there for Sydney and Melbourne punters. Live in one and punt in the other and vice versa.

[heianth]

Thanks for the insight! My partner is very observant so always try my best to be as discreet as possible.

Just the other day I had a punt and the WL had a perfume that just lingered on my skin for hours despite my attempts to wash it away lol.

As some said before. Don't do it if you don't want to get caught.

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[BennyB]

Thanks for the insight! My partner is very observant so always try my best to be as discreet as possible.

Just the other day I had a punt and the WL had a perfume that just lingered on my skin for hours despite my attempts to wash it away lol.

As some said before. Don't do it if you don't want to get caught.

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That's a good point on the strong smelling perfume Heianth. I like the freshly showered scent in any event, so I usually suggest that we both have showers when we meet.

If I'm with someone who has strong smelling perfume in a pre meet, my two options are

(1) at the pre-meet to tell them how much I like a natural body scent and not a lot of perfume, or

(2) have a change of clothing with me during the sex meet

I have a standard series of business shirts that I can interchange if necessary and coming home in gym gear, because I have been for a run / workout, usually goes unnoticed.

[johnconnor69er]

Well this thread got me to sign up to Seeking. Now trying to get my profile right and my DM's. Love any basic tips or even some Sugarbabies that you guys have tried but moved on frrom :). Will let you know how my journey goes.

[BennyB]

Well this thread got me to sign up to Seeking. Now trying to get my profile right and my DM's. Love any basic tips or even some Sugarbabies that you guys have tried but moved on frrom :). Will let you know how my journey goes.

Hi JOC - specific questions are easier to respond to. If you want specific Sugarbabe recommendations, the naked truth has plenty of those.

[MYOB]

Too much pumped artifically injected testosterone hormone's here.
I would prescribe a shot of haloperidal plus another shot of benziozepine or
double dosage if needed to tame this savage aggression show here on both sides.

[BennyB]

Too much pumped artifically injected testosterone hormone's here.
I would prescribe a shot of haloperidal plus another shot of benziozepine or
double dosage if needed to tame this savage aggression show here on both sides.

MYOB - I can only encourage you to do as your user profile name suggests.

[BennyB]

I’ve had a number of PMs in the past week from members here asking for feedback on the kind of pricing that is in the Sydney market.

Guys shelling out $700 - $800 a meet. And often putting out 2-300 for a pre-meet.

My encouragement is that, if you are reading this and you are on SA talking to these girls, that you gently and politely push back on this. It’s complete bullshit that the girl next door (no matter how much make up and cosmetic surgery she has had) should think that she can charge the same for a meet as a European porn star does. I know this because I’ve fucked a European porn star when I was last there and they advertise widely.

$500 should be the upper range of what you are prepared to part with. And that should be for a very high quality experience. $500 should also be what you are prepared to pay for a one off - if she wants ongoing (there’s a lot less hassle for her) then I would be ratcheting that down to $400 PPM very quickly.

Anything more than that is just girls putting their hands out to take you for whatever they can. The more you keep handing those kind of numbers over, the more you distort the market for yourselves and your mates on here.

It’s hard to say no and keep your cash in your wallet. But it’s necessary to restore some order to the supply - demand equation.

[Johnisfun1969]

I’ve had a number of PMs in the past week from members here asking for feedback on the kind of pricing that is in the Sydney market.

Guys shelling out $700 - $800 a meet. And often putting out 2-300 for a pre-meet.

My encouragement is that, if you are reading this and you are on SA talking to these girls, that you gently and politely push back on this. It’s complete bullshit that the girl next door (no matter how much make up and cosmetic surgery she has had) should think that she can charge the same for a meet as a European porn star does. I know this because I’ve fucked a European porn star when I was last there and they advertise widely.

$500 should be the upper range of what you are prepared to part with. And that should be for a very high quality experience. $500 should also be what you are prepared to pay for a one off - if she wants ongoing (there’s a lot less hassle for her) then I would be ratcheting that down to $400 PPM very quickly.

Anything more than that is just girls putting their hands out to take you for whatever they can. The more you keep handing those kind of numbers over, the more you distort the market for yourselves and your mates on here.

It’s hard to say no and keep your cash in your wallet. But it’s necessary to restore some order to the supply - demand equation.

Thanks for your advice BennyB. The SB's may also have the wrong perception as we punters have sometimes. I used to think most girls would want an allowance and regular gifts. The girls may wish for whatever they want but in relaity like any market economy if there is enough supply the prices go down. I have just joined SA and feeling the SD scene. Even with free membership I have been getting likes and messages but was not able to read any of them. Lets hope some of these girsl are real and not on a wager by SA to entice members and not meet.

My two cents on BennyB post is once the figure is set it will be little harder to reduce. One should weigh up the option and the level of relationship. When I was in Philippines I met a nice girl and she was expecting a $200-300 along with dinner in a fancy resteraunt with Wagyu steak. I only agreed to $150 but had to take her to a gourmet resteruant each time. So keep in mind in building expectation. There may be some girls who only want luxury items while others may look at the overall package and how they are treated.

[BennyB]

Thanks for your advice BennyB. The SB's may also have the wrong perception as we punters have sometimes. I used to think most girls would want an allowance and regular gifts. The girls may wish for whatever they want but in relaity like any market economy if there is enough supply the prices go down. I have just joined SA and feeling the SD scene. Even with free membership I have been getting likes and messages but was not able to read any of them. Lets hope some of these girsl are real and not on a wager by SA to entice members and not meet.



I can confirm that enough of the girls are real. I have two pre-meet dates and a sex meet ($300 Caucasian, 24yo slim brunette regular this week).

And three night's interstate with a SB next week while travelling for work. Three other pre-meets I need to squeeze in over the next 10 days.

There's more than enough to go around on SA and I'm not offering anything like what some people are throwing around.

I'm probably over-extending myself at present, but when the sun is shining it's time to make hay.

[kctt]

I read entire topic but not sure what SA means. Do you use SA to refer to seeking.com?
There is also some mention of SD. I assume that is Sugar Daddy?

[suckitbaby]

I read entire topic but not sure what SA means. Do you use SA to refer to seeking.com?
There is also some mention of SD. I assume that is Sugar Daddy?

Both your assumptions are correct Kctt, seeking was called seeking arrangement hence SA.

[BennyB]

I read entire topic but not sure what SA means. Do you use SA to refer to seeking.com?
There is also some mention of SD. I assume that is Sugar Daddy?

In the glossary thread I put up a number of acronyms relating to Sugarbabes and what they mean

[BennyB]

I read entire topic but not sure what SA means. Do you use SA to refer to seeking.com?
There is also some mention of SD. I assume that is Sugar Daddy?

Here you go

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?45-Collections-of-frequently-used-Abbreviations&p=2309381#post2309381

[BennyB]

Having a photo of yourself with a pet, especially a dog, is great on traditional dating sites. It isn’t quite as relevant on SA as the girls are not looking for a guy to take home to mum.

[BennyB]

Not sure why there is so much doubt about the value in the Sydney market.

I got asked on PM what the going rate is for Sugarbabes. My response, as always, is that there is none and don't let anyone quote a "going rate" to you.

Last night I enjoyed a lovely European lass from out Potts Point way. 24, slim, shaved, easygoing and a lot of fun for the grand high sum of $300 + ubereats dinner for four hours. Two rounds of sex and a lot of chill time in-between. She's on the regular roster now. We'll get tested and go BB next time around.

[BennyB]

After lots of online chat and several pre-meets up on the Gold Coast on my first two days up here, my conclusion is that there remains good value in the sub-$500 bracket.

What differentiates this market is the playground nature - a kind of little Vegas feel about it. It’s easy to get sucked into that psychology and the plastic, lip filled girls who live up here and are peddling their influencer lifestyle. Anyone under the age of 30 whose business card describes them as a life coach while wanting to fuck me for money, gives me the Jim Carrey eyebrow raise. Still, I enjoyed sitting in the sunshine with an insta model while they did what they could to lure me in, with their hot pants riding up their ass.

My infrequent regular on the Gold Coast (borders and interstate business permitting) started at $500 (the first time we met) and then quickly moved to $400 for the next two night stay and this time will be $800 for three nights and I’ll pick up the tab for our three nights out on the town. In all, I will probably lay out about $1,500 for the three nights including great food and wine at some top restaurants. When you consider that I’m sleeping next to a sun bronzed, gorgeous beach girl who treats me like her personal sex toy for three days, I think that is extraordinary value for money.

What does she get out of it? The fantasy of a travelling executive who wine, dines and fucks her and treats her the way she wishes the boys on tinder would.

We’re both playing to each other’s fantasy - it’s a win win collaboration.

[BennyB]

In general news, I'm noticing a lot more uni students joining SA this week in Sydney and Melbourne. A few have said they have recently moved out of home and can't get as many shifts (hospitality) or part time is not as plentiful as they had expected. I've also come across many more young professionals who want to have a bit of no strings fun on the side.

In two pre-meets this week, I was surprised at how well researched the girls were about the SD life.

One just wants to fly up and down on business trips with me and stay in nice hotels and will return the favour so to speak. I need to think through how that will work in terms of money and also around managing privacy when doing phone calls home.

The other one loves lingerie and bikinis and says she wants to go shopping each time we meet. Not sure I can take that much time out, so will think about whether to transfer the funds so she can shop and then meet her that night. She is Melbourne based, so it would only be when I am down there.

[cuteguy]

...

The other one loves lingerie and bikinis and says she wants to go shopping each time we meet. Not sure I can take that much time out, so will think about whether to transfer the funds so she can shop and then meet her that night. She is Melbourne based, so it would only be when I am down there.

My friend enjoys SB arrangements because he doesn't want commitment. He enjoys taking his girls out to dinner and shopping. The girls love lingerie and shoes which he would purchase for them. Sometimes he gets sex out of them however, he would never invite them to his home. The girls don't invite him either which means he had to book hotel rooms for any hookups. As a guy, going shopping is not an exciting activity but also booking hotel rooms all the time would be an extra expense for the guy. Ultimately, it's up to the person what arrangement they want. However it all looks too much effort when you can go to a shop and get what you want unless you want companionship and dining out together.

[BennyB]

The way I do it is not for everyone @cuteguy.

There are plenty of girls on the site who will meet you in a hotel to fuck if that's what you want. I do enjoy the time and the foreplay. I like living the double life and I find the sex gets better with each meet.

Three days in QLD with the girl I see when I am up there. Three overnights in an apartment (my partner knew I was at a work conference during the day) and dinners + evenings of BB sex including BBanal. 7 rounds of sex over three days in total. I think it was worth the effort. Others may too.

[Shiba]

Hi Triplesec - absolutely.

Seeking (SA) and SugarDaddyMeet would be the primary sites I use.

There are ways to tell whether she is looking for sex or not. I would say that it is a very small proportion that are not on the side to have more / better sex with benefits. Older guys are a thing for many women. Especially if you can hold your own in conversation and have your shit together.

In terms of how to close on SA, I'm happy to share my thoughts on PM about the kind of methods that I've found effective.

Over the past few years I've found it a fascinating experience. Complementary to WLs / MLs and dating in real life. It's all part of the intimacy spectrum and each niche has it's place.


After reading your review on SB I decided to join yesterday. It got my blood pumping with all the reviews you’ve been doing.

Would you mind sending me a PM as well about how you close the deal with ur SA.

[BennyB]

After reading your review on SB I decided to join yesterday. It got my blood pumping with all the reviews you’ve been doing.

Would you mind sending me a PM as well about how you close the deal with ur SA.

Anyone is welcome to PM me. Happy to assist if I can.

[Shiba]

Anyone is welcome to PM me. Happy to assist if I can.

How do I PM in here. New to this sight.

[StiFFFy]

How do I PM in here. New to this sight.Considering you only have 12 posts, it may take you a while. That function didn't work for me until about 30 or so posts friend.

[BennyB]

Thanks and replied to your PM. You must have posted enough messages in general forum.

Down in Melbourne for two days this week. The beauty of living in Sydney and commuting for project work is that the girls interstate who are afraid of you wanting a relationship, are very happy to meet up with you.

Wednesday’s treat is a girl who asked me to fill out a list of kinks for comparison with her over dinner. If we match in enough places, we’re going back to hers to play. This should be fun.

[BennyB]

Very interesting to read all this intel.

I tried seeking a few years ago but did not have much luck.

I’m going to Melbourne next month for work.

How long before I go should I be making plans with girls on seeking?

Hi Frank - thanks for your comment and your question. I’m sorry to hear you did not have much luck. There is much more information out there on Sugarbabes these days - especially since I first started, when all there was were a few lurking reddit threads. I would avoid those as they are mainly written up by girls who are trying to score the highest bidder.

The naked truth sugarbabe forum has probably the most extensive database of the girls on seeking, the scammers and the pricing negotiations if you are interested.

Most of the other forums are geared towards MLs and WLs. Nothing wrong with that - it’s just two different channels, like Carsales.com and Boatsales.com. Guys who drive cars may also buy a boat one day, not often the other way around - if you get my meaning?

To your specific question - I would be starting to warm up the market that you are coming from about two weeks out.

Start chatting to girls and give them time to organize their diaries. There are a few other ideas I have for you, based on my own travels, but I suggest you sign up first and then we chat. Feel free to PM me as well.

[scottie2222]

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[kiddoh]

Appreciate your post and involvement giving insight to everyone.

So you recommend paying for the premium membership on SA? Very limited functionality it seems otherwise.

Yep... We need to pay for the chat. Subscribe for a month, see how it works and make sure you get the contacts in wechat or kik to continue the arrangement for the longer run. Most of them will be upfront on their expectations, chat wisely there are few scammers. This thread has insights on that as well. Cheers!

[scottie2222]

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[BennyB]

Thanks Scottie. I appreciate your feedback.

Think of it this way - you are on a site where girls are looking for wealthier, mature guys to spoil them. If you can’t even stump up the money to talk to them, what does that say about you and why would they want to pick you?

I would agree with Kiddoh. Start with a month and see how you go.

[Eeessyttyy]

Serious question BennyB, you obviously have an account that your Minister of Finance and War doesn't have access too?
How do you pay a sub to the forum otherwise? How do you avoid getting caught at tax time or do you do your taxes separately?

[BennyB]

Shows how limited your knowledge of anthropology is. Along with your knowledge of Sugarbabes Doby. You really should get some sunlight. You are starting to sound like Gollum.

[BennyB]

Serious question BennyB, you obviously have an account that your Minister of Finance and War doesn't have access too?
How do you pay a sub to the forum otherwise? How do you avoid getting caught at tax time or do you do your taxes separately?

Hi Essy

Good questions. And ones I fortunately worked out when I was still punting in brothels and with Privates.

A few things on this

1. The Minister for War is as tight as. So I never battle her head on. It’s a losing proposition.

2. A few years ago I set up separate online accounts on my banking app. You can do this without needing any paper work and without getting any paperwork in the mail.

3. I get part of my salary and my bonuses sent to that account. I use those for punting. I always have reasonable increases going through the main account, so that it is not suspicious, but the sleeper account in my name only is also set to private mode and so not shown on the Home Screen of my banking app.

4. I don’t keep a card for that account - I do cardless cash withdrawals.

5. I will, with my regulars, use PayID as it is easier and also out of the private account

6. Tax time - is all done by my tax accountant. As I’m the finance guy in the house, I do all the paperwork - the MoW is not interested in the slightest. She tried it once and got sick of it after a week of it. So now it’s my “chore” to do :-)

7. Subs to SA - I don’t actually pay these through my sleeper account, I pay these through an Australia Post card (Cash Passport) that I set up years ago. It functions like a debit card.

Hope this helps answer the questions, but let me know if not.

[cvnt]

Thanks Brother Benny for your insight in this . I have personally explored the world of SB and have to say it's a bit of a hit and miss.

Recently met two genuine SBs and they are now rostered :)

[BennyB]

Thanks for sharing. I agree with you.

What I like is that I can spend enough time limiting the downside risk (by getting to know them before deciding whether to progress into bed) and the upside is quite often another level.

It can be hit and miss - but isn’t that like all punting?

[Eeessyttyy]

[QUOTE=BennyB;2333221]Hi Essy

Good questions. And ones I fortunately worked out when I was still punting in brothels and with Privates.


Cheers for the answers BennyB.
Unfortunately I'm thr one in my house that can't be stuffed with finances, so the MoWaP controls that side of things. But your answers have provided some options, thanks!

[BennyB]

[QUOTE=BennyB;2333221]Hi Essy

Good questions. And ones I fortunately worked out when I was still punting in brothels and with Privates.


Cheers for the answers BennyB.
Unfortunately I'm thr one in my house that can't be stuffed with finances, so the MoWaP controls that side of things. But your answers have provided some options, thanks!

In the same way that you squirrel away funds for punting, doing the same for SBs is similar.

If she has the purse strings then it may be a case of loosening them up over time. Little things like slowly changing habits - drawing cash for the week e.g. $500 and then sprinkling it on a few things you need and stashing the rest.

Or deciding that you are going to take on more responsibility for things at home - you may not empty the dishwasher, but slowly taking responsibility of the finances may be worth doing (over time)

[Trampoline]

Thanks for your note John and you are welcome.

Hi BennyB,
Sorry bro. just try to reach the magic 50 posts!

[BennyB]

Easier ways to do that. Just ask a question? Or contribute your thinking to Sugarbabe punting?

[BennyB]

Back in Melbourne this week. How does this city have better weather than Sydney or QLD at the moment?

Found a great spot that works as both a Dayuse and a normal hotel - Shadowplay by Peppers. It even has the right kind of sexy name to appeal to a woman.

Basically 2-3 bedroom apartments with a bar at the top of the hotel and a restaurant downstairs. A quick walk to any of the bars and restaurants along the river. Very central for anyone looking to set up playdates and easy to get lost in the crowds.

[Crusader]

Back in Melbourne this week. How does this city have better weather than Sydney or QLD at the moment?

Found a great spot that works as both a Dayuse and a normal hotel - Shadowplay by Peppers. It even has the right kind of sexy name to appeal to a woman.

Basically 2-3 bedroom apartments with a bar at the top of the hotel and a restaurant downstairs. A quick walk to any of the bars and restaurants along the river. Very central for anyone looking to set up playdates and easy to get lost in the crowds.

Thanks for the tip on shadowplay legend. I've hit the jackpot with 2 GC stupidly stunning babies this week. They do in general, love the fact that I'm FIFO. $400 for 4 hours for one (25), the other is paid dinner and drinks at a bar on Wednesday night with 2 hours of play after, shes 22. The latter is $250.

[stupidpunt]

great thread - thanks everyone. Have been on the sidelines trying to figure out how it works and this has convinced me to jump in!

[BennyB]

Thanks for the tip on shadowplay legend. I've hit the jackpot with 2 GC stupidly stunning babies this week. They do in general, love the fact that I'm FIFO. $400 for 4 hours for one (25), the other is paid dinner and drinks at a bar on Wednesday night with 2 hours of play after, shes 22. The latter is $250.

That's great to hear.

Shadowplay was very useful this week, although it helped with staying there. They are on Dayuse as well, it just depends on the day of the week. Fridays are becoming more difficult, although I am usually on my way back to Sydney at the end of the week.

There are great advantages to being FIFO. Especially as the girls are not worried you are going to get too clingy and want a relationship.

How do you handle the married / partnered question?

[Jtee80]

Already posted in other thread here you go with my experience with a sugarbabe (unbeknown to me she was in fact working on SA) I met her on another conventional dating site:
Met Asian background lady, early 30s online (not seeking arrangements) and later found out she had been on seeking arrangements a couple years ago. Has / had numerous regulars paying allowances. Apparently She has some guys paying $1500 to open her legs but know also $500 a pop was agreeable. Says she does no BJ (not sure to believe that). She is hot, I am having fantastic sex with her. She is decades in years my junior. Agreed to pay allowance $600 per week. I see her for 3-4 days per week including sleep overs. She still is getting contacted by her clients although she has blocked many. She told me the most men in a single day she fucked is four and has had up to 20-30 per week. She agrees she is a slut and I tell her. She rims me, allows me to fuck her silly and wears her sexy clothes and lingerie for me. She calls me her BF …It is complicated and also fun. I knew nothing about SA previously.
She is quality and knows it and would happily go to seeing her clients if we discussed it and agreed. She knows many men want to fuck her. In fact one contacted her to meet for ‘coffee’ last week.. at least she is being honest (maybe partially).. I have an open mind and don’t let feelings of ego and her being my sexual property get in the way of what we currently have going.

[BennyB]

This is fabulous JTee80 and at $600/week that is an excellent deal.

I prefer the variety myself and usually move on after 4-5 meets (with one or two exceptions) but I know that some guys are comfortable with repeating with the same person - comfort zone fucking I suppose.

Although, with a "complete slut" you have it all going for you. Just enjoy making memories. Does she sleep over at yours or hers?

[heianth]

(Speaking from punting with SWs only)

It's good to try something new, but doesn't always work out as you expected. Often after a bad (new) experience I go back to someone I have gel'd well with and it always resets and makes me appreciate the service all that much better.

Perhaps you like the chase Benny. I definitely wish I had more time for that. Maybe I should be on SA at 530am instead of here lol.

[apokalypse]

wondering u guys offering someone you know or ML? can't afford to be sugar daddy but few that i know considering it...$600 include sex is good deal tho, many of us just want more than sex and also a relationship without commitment.

[BennyB]

great thread - thanks everyone. Have been on the sidelines trying to figure out how it works and this has convinced me to jump in!

Just be a gentleman and respectful. The women are not WLs.

[BennyB]

(Speaking from punting with SWs only)

It's good to try something new, but doesn't always work out as you expected. Often after a bad (new) experience I go back to someone I have gel'd well with and it always resets and makes me appreciate the service all that much better.

Perhaps you like the chase Benny. I definitely wish I had more time for that. Maybe I should be on SA at 530am instead of here lol.

Hi mate - having young kids gets you up early. As well as an appetite to keep in shape, so I usually train around that time.

As for the chase I think Frank has put it succinctly - I do enjoy talking to and slowly seducing women. This is just another way to do it in your own spare time. Get it right and the rewards are fantastic.

If you don’t enjoy spending time with talking to and listening to women, or can’t be bothered with the seduction, then Seeking is definitely not for you.

[BennyB]

wondering u guys offering someone you know or ML? can't afford to be sugar daddy but few that i know considering it...$600 include sex is good deal tho, many of us just want more than sex and also a relationship without commitment.


Hi apocalypse - I’m not sure I fully understand your question. Are you saying you have $600 a meet to spend with someone? That is ample for Sugarbabe punting. It depends on what your monthly budget is?

[hogansheros_breakout]

to be advised in future....

[BennyB]

Seeking.com is having a 33% off sale for St Patrick’s Day for those thinking about signing up.

Another reason to love the Irish.

[heianth]

Seeking.com is having a 33% off sale for St Patrick’s Day for those thinking about signing up.

Another reason to love the Irish.

Yeah signed up last night. Wife will be noticing why I'm on my phone more often now lol - if only kik had a web client.

[BennyB]

Yeah signed up last night. Wife will be noticing why I'm on my phone more often now lol - if only kik had a web client.

Haha. just try and set yourself boundaries. It can become addictive quickly.

Note as well that if you open your kik account on another device, it immediately erases all your conversations as a privacy feature. I learned that one pretty quickly when I installed it on my iPad and lost all my iPhone messages.

[Riff888]

Yeah signed up last night. Wife will be noticing why I'm on my phone more often now lol - if only kik had a web client.You can install Kik on a PC via an Android emulator called BlueStack. I created a different account using another email address, no mobile number required.78025

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[BennyB]

You can install Kik on a PC via an Android emulator called BlueStack. I created a different account using another email address, no mobile number required.78025

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That's good intel. Thanks for sharing.

[hogansheros_breakout]

to be advised in future....

[exstar]

The SB Link is important so that if her profiles goes offline, I can check via another (free) account if her profile is actually online but blocked to me.

That’s actually a great idea - randomly see profiles go offline and there’s no clear reason. Some have their username in tact and others have just “Attractive member”

Ps I took up that 33% off offer, and found it also re activated my old account for which I had used the same credit card for… I hope I don’t get banned for it.

[DireStraits]

That’s actually a great idea - randomly see profiles go offline and there’s no clear reason. Some have their username in tact and others have just “Attractive member”

Ps I took up that 33% off offer, and found it also re activated my old account for which I had used the same credit card for… I hope I don’t get banned for it.
Just wondering… how much is it today with the 33% off offer? Thinking of finally taking the plunge…

[heianth]

Just wondering… how much is it today with the 33% off offer? Thinking of finally taking the plunge…

I opted for 90 days which was around 195usd?

And thanks riff I was thinking of bluestacks too but on my workstation instead of home pc. Though they may keylog some naugthy words lol. Having an alt account could work too to minimise loss of messages.

[Johnisfun1969]

Hi mate - having young kids gets you up early. As well as an appetite to keep in shape, so I usually train around that time.

As for the chase I think Frank has put it succinctly - I do enjoy talking to and slowly seducing women. This is just another way to do it in your own spare time. Get it right and the rewards are fantastic.

If you don’t enjoy spending time with talking to and listening to women, or can’t be bothered with the seduction, then Seeking is definitely not for you.

Hi BennyB, my expereince has been totally opposite. The girsl I have met want to meet srtaight at the hotel. They know they will spend 2-3 hours for private time. There has been some flirting on the phone but ot much. I ma chatting to two girls who say they are not prositutes and intimacy has to happen naturally. But most girsl are lazy and would not work. They find making money on SA easy. So I think its upto the individual what they are after. If they want to invest time and reap the rewards you are taling about then its worth finding that unicorn. Otherwise there are plenty of girls willing to drop their panties for 500-600. The bonus is you are not rushed but can take your time.

[hogansheros_breakout]

to be advised in future....

[heianth]

that's got to be some weird account security issue to apply a subscription to an inactive account.

fyi for subscriptions I use a 'disposable' single use card number.Are you referring to those Visa or MasterCard gift cards?

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[Shiba]

My first meet up
I’m not good at writing reviews but here I go. Had my first meet last Friday. I can say that’s it’s completely different compared to going to brothels. We meet up in the hotel room the afternoon I was quite nervous at this stage as I’ve never done this sort of things before. But at the same time I was excited at meeting this South American girl. Once in the room she also told me that she was nervous and only meet one other time for dinner and nothing else. Seems genuine but who bloody knows.

Anyway we started chatting about what she does for work and what are her hobbies. Told me she was studying to become a psychologist and working as a nanny at the same time She ask me what I do and if I have a partner/married which I replied yes to the latter. She even mentioned that we should organize to meet up early to get away from the misses. Lol. So she seems keen to meet this old man.

At this stage I was feeling hungry too so I ask her if she wanted to have lunch in the room which she replied sure if you want too. Damn.. I was thinking is this how all meet ups end up. It was so relaxing without the rush that you get in brothels.

After we had our lunch that’s when the play time started. I won’t go to too much details but damn… that body of hers is hot. Just think of those South American body curvy and a nice ass type.

We probably spend about 3.5 hrs together and not once she mentioned about money to me. She said that it’s up to me how much I want to give her and would never ask for more of gifts at all. So I paid her $700 that’s with me paying for her Uber ride as well,even thought she didn’t want to take it.
She mentioned that 2 weeks ago prior to our meet up btw.

All in all it was nice to see a lady that you can converse/click with. She was just down to earth/understanding about everything we talk about. Damn… have to be careful not to fall in love with her.

Thanks to Bennyb n Riff888 for guiding me along on this SA journey.

Btw I’m meeting up with her again this Friday this time will be for about 5-6 hrs, will update again how this plays out.

Bro Benny/Riff888 how much you reckon I should give her this time round.

Cheers guys hope it was too long to read

Btw I posted in the other thread as well thought I share it here as well.

[Jtee80]

This is fabulous JTee80 and at $600/week that is an excellent deal.

I prefer the variety myself and usually move on after 4-5 meets (with one or two exceptions) but I know that some guys are comfortable with repeating with the same person - comfort zone fucking I suppose.

Although, with a "complete slut" you have it all going for you. Just enjoy making memories. Does she sleep over at yours or hers?

Thanks BennyB. Variety would be good in the medium term. For me the current ‘arrangement’ works though she is now talking about kids and starting a family….a little too comfort zone methinks. I’m staying at hers for a few nights a week. Planning some travel very soon with her too. Also talking about having 2 cocks to suck as she likes that. Making memories I will.

[BennyB]

Hi BennyB, my expereince has been totally opposite. The girsl I have met want to meet srtaight at the hotel. They know they will spend 2-3 hours for private time. There has been some flirting on the phone but ot much. I ma chatting to two girls who say they are not prositutes and intimacy has to happen naturally. But most girsl are lazy and would not work. They find making money on SA easy. So I think its upto the individual what they are after. If they want to invest time and reap the rewards you are taling about then its worth finding that unicorn. Otherwise there are plenty of girls willing to drop their panties for 500-600. The bonus is you are not rushed but can take your time.

It very much depends on the girls. I generally avoid the ones who want to go straight to a hotel. I want at least a pre-meet as I don't want to be catfished and I want to know there is genuine chemistry before we play. That's my own rule, other's may be comfortable with going straight to a hotel. I've never found my best experiences come from that route though.

[BennyB]

My first meet up
I’m not good at writing reviews but here I go. Had my first meet last Friday. I can say that’s it’s completely different compared to going to brothels. We meet up in the hotel room the afternoon I was quite nervous at this stage as I’ve never done this sort of things before. But at the same time I was excited at meeting this South American girl. Once in the room she also told me that she was nervous and only meet one other time for dinner and nothing else. Seems genuine but who bloody knows.

Anyway we started chatting about what she does for work and what are her hobbies. Told me she was studying to become a psychologist and working as a nanny at the same time She ask me what I do and if I have a partner/married which I replied yes to the latter. She even mentioned that we should organize to meet up early to get away from the misses. Lol. So she seems keen to meet this old man.

At this stage I was feeling hungry too so I ask her if she wanted to have lunch in the room which she replied sure if you want too. Damn.. I was thinking is this how all meet ups end up. It was so relaxing without the rush that you get in brothels.

After we had our lunch that’s when the play time started. I won’t go to too much details but damn… that body of hers is hot. Just think of those South American body curvy and a nice ass type.

We probably spend about 3.5 hrs together and not once she mentioned about money to me. She said that it’s up to me how much I want to give her and would never ask for more of gifts at all. So I paid her $700 that’s with me paying for her Uber ride as well,even thought she didn’t want to take it.
She mentioned that 2 weeks ago prior to our meet up btw.

All in all it was nice to see a lady that you can converse/click with. She was just down to earth/understanding about everything we talk about. Damn… have to be careful not to fall in love with her.

Thanks to Bennyb n Riff888 for guiding me along on this SA journey.

Btw I’m meeting up with her again this Friday this time will be for about 5-6 hrs, will update again how this plays out.

Bro Benny/Riff888 how much you reckon I should give her this time round.

Cheers guys hope it was too long to read

Btw I posted in the other thread as well thought I share it here as well.

Thanks Shiba - as I said on the other thread, I think it's great you had a good first experience. Take her out for dinner next time - making her feel a little special will only come back in spades.

[BennyB]

Thanks BennyB. Variety would be good in the medium term. For me the current ‘arrangement’ works though she is now talking about kids and starting a family….a little too comfort zone methinks. I’m staying at hers for a few nights a week. Planning some travel very soon with her too. Also talking about having 2 cocks to suck as she likes that. Making memories I will.


Kids and family. Woah there. Is that what you want with her?

[Jtee80]

Kids and family. Woah there. Is that what you want with her?

Not sure about that. She’s a little all over the shop though she truly is drop dead gorgeous.
Went out over the weekend wth her and the attention from other men was relentless. Lucky for me I have an even temper and try to channel a Zen non attachment outlook. She would need to work a bit on herself before she has children.

Regarding earlier comments on SA as a choice for Sugarbabes to make money over other work, I vouch with this one on the laziness. She is blatant wth me how easy it is for her to contact one of her many and she could make $1500 off a single encounter. She told me she had 3-4 paying an allowance at the same time. Meeting them 1-2 times per week …. Quite the whore..that is realistic for a SB do you think?

[BennyB]

Not sure about that. She’s a little all over the shop though she truly is drop dead gorgeous.
Went out over the weekend wth her and the attention from other men was relentless. Lucky for me I have an even temper and try to channel a Zen non attachment outlook. She would need to work a bit on herself before she has children.

Regarding earlier comments on SA as a choice for Sugarbabes to make money over other work, I vouch with this one on the laziness. She is blatant wth me how easy it is for her to contact one of her many and she could make $1500 off a single encounter. She told me she had 3-4 paying an allowance at the same time. Meeting them 1-2 times per week …. Quite the whore..that is realistic for a SB do you think?

She’s young and loving the attention. From your perspective, it’s great that you dont have to be jealous as she is not your monogamous partner. Just relax and have fun and let her be herself. If she feels great because you are not an immature, clingy 20-yo then chances are you will soon be cemented as her go to FWB and the price will come down.

[Jtee80]

She’s young and loving the attention. From your perspective, it’s great that you dont have to be jealous as she is not your monogamous partner. Just relax and have fun and let her be herself. If she feels great because you are not an immature, clingy 20-yo then chances are you will soon be cemented as her go to FWB and the price will come down.

Sage advice. Thanks BennyB. On another note we are talking of a regular DP .. maybe once a week. Looking forward to exploring more with her.

[Jtee80]

Sage advice. Thanks BennyB. On another note we are talking of a regular DP .. maybe once a week. Looking forward to exploring more with her.

Also glad I established a non monogamous arrangement early on… Save myself the anguish and jealousy the previous partner of hers endured. He couldn’t keep her much in check. Like you say let her be herself and enjoy the ride

[BennyB]

Sage advice. Thanks BennyB. On another note we are talking of a regular DP .. maybe once a week. Looking forward to exploring more with her.

A regular DP. Did I read this right? Who is the third wheel in the threesome? 😂

[kiddoh]

I did a pre- meet with an SB yesterday after few days of conversation in WhatsApp. It’s a general greet and meet session to check out whether it will workout for us.

She was asking for pre-meetups incentive $400 for future meets/dinners and then decide on next stuffs. I politically declined and then was having general discussion on Intimacy stuff preference etc.

My question is. Do we need to provide some incentive for pre-meets. I have declined so far and none of them agreed to meet again. No conversion so far which involved pre-meets +incentives. What's your experience on this one..

& General query do we need to agree on our preference upfront or do we need to go with the flow.

Note: I’m not in seeking anymore just got some contacts through my previous membership which I’m progressing at the moment.

[Riff888]

I did a pre- meet with an SB yesterday after few days of conversation in WhatsApp. It’s a general greet and meet session to check out whether it will workout for us.

She was asking for pre-meetups incentive $400 for future meets/dinners and then decide on next stuffs. I politically declined and then was having general discussion on Intimacy stuff preference etc.

My question is. Do we need to provide some incentive for pre-meets. I have declined so far and none of them agreed to meet again. No conversion so far which involved pre-meets +incentives. What's your experience on this one..

& General query do we need to agree on our preference upfront or do we need to go with the flow.

Note: I’m not in seeking anymore just got some contacts through my previous membership which I’m progressing at the moment.I had a meet with this 19 year old Viet uni student. Just a meet at a cafe, we had coffee.

She's not the prettiest girl and she had quite noticeable acne. But she's also slim and tall at 170cm.

She seems very naive and innocent. Said she's had a lot of rude men contacting her, around 5 messages a week. She also blocks guys that ask for sex on the first meet.

Not sure if this will progress and I know she's not the most attractive girl but I really want to get into her pants, even just once. These young innocent looking girls sometimes totally go off in bed.

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[apokalypse]

Hey Kiddoh - I don’t ever pay for pre meets. If a girl wants to be paid to come to a fifteen minute coffee with me then how much worse will it be in the bedroom when she wants to upsell me on everything else?

My time is just as valuable as hers. Anyone wanting money for a pre meet is clearly not serious about meeting me or the possibility of an exciting adventure.

I would just note that if you are talking to them like they are an escort or making them feel like it is a transaction or a one off thing and all you want to do is fuck them and move on, then you will probably get the pre meet $$ ask as they will feel within their right to treat you as an ATM if you treat them as an escort.

i'm with you on that..first time just have coffe and stuff to have that good feeling and see if able to work out, after that have discussion on sugar business. There's always some one out there even someone who you know...if i'm sugardaddy and i could ask a few already know.

[apokalypse]

I had a meet with this 19 year old Viet uni student. Just a meet at a cafe, we had coffee.

She's not the prettiest girl and she had quite noticeable acne. But she's also slim and tall at 170cm.

She seems very naive and innocent. Said she's had a lot of rude men contacting her, around 5 messages a week. She also blocks guys that ask for sex on the first meet.

Not sure if this will progress and I know she's not the most attractive girl but I really want to get into her pants, even just once. These young innocent looking girls sometimes totally go off in bed.

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don't where this heading but most of them want visa..

[Riff888]

don't where this heading but most of them want visa..She's ABV so she's a citizen.

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[clausedd]

Do anyone know what is it like for Brisbane? I know @Benny mention regarding Gold Coast area. Wondering whether Brisbane is similar?

[exstar]

I was in Melbourne recently and had lined up 4 options for a one off ppm… first preference came down with covid, and two ghosted when it came to d-day - they were the ones who were actually the most keen prior leading up to that point 😬

4th option was available so we made plans to meet at the nearby pub - Aussie girl.. she had a cute face in her photos and had that girl next door look. Unfortunately I didn’t check her height in her profile so when we met she was at least 10cm taller than me and a bit chunky. You’d think she was a basketball player, kinda like a white Liz Cambage. In a normal situation I would have backed out, but I was feeling toey and didn’t wanna leave with blue balls.

The sex itself was pretty wild and all and she was into pretty much anything - but I just wasn’t attracted to her and kinda had my eyes closed half the time. Gave me additional sympathy for MLs/WLs who deal with unattractive customers. Can give you her username if anyones interested … her asking rate is $500 for and she drives to you

[Riff888]

I was in Melbourne recently and had lined up 4 options for a one off ppm… first preference came down with covid, and two ghosted when it came to d-day - they were the ones who were actually the most keen prior leading up to that point [emoji51]

4th option was available so we made plans to meet at the nearby pub - Aussie girl.. she had a cute face in her photos and had that girl next door look. Unfortunately I didn’t check her height in her profile so when we met she was at least 10cm taller than me and a bit chunky. You’d think she was a basketball player, kinda like a white Liz Cambage. In a normal situation I would have backed out, but I was feeling toey and didn’t wanna leave with blue balls.

The sex itself was pretty wild and all and she was into pretty much anything - but I just wasn’t attracted to her and kinda had my eyes closed half the time. Gave me additional sympathy for MLs/WLs who deal with unattractive customers. Can give you her username if anyones interested … her asking rate is $500 for and she drives to youWe'll done mate, at least you were able to scratch that itch.

I contacted a SB with username Ssukii.

Asian girl, photos look amazing. She's on my Kik contacts.

She asked for $2k PPM.

I was like, no thanks.

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[exstar]

We'll done mate, at least you were able to scratch that itch.

I contacted a SB with username Ssukii.

Asian girl, photos look amazing. She's on my Kik contacts.

She asked for $2k PPM.

I was like, no thanks.

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Cheers - have come across her last year and she was asking $1300 or so… inflation is real

She should just set her filters to Diamond members only!

[Riff888]

Cheers - have come across her last year and she was asking $1300 or so… inflation is real

She should just set her filters to Diamond members only!Yeah not sure what her strike rate is like or what's on offer.

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[Markin]

link for teh lazy

https://members.seeking.com/member/d5406783-3fce-4763-b68c-a3385fd0ce60

[GoldfishMan]

I’ve been browsing the profiles on seeking for fun. A lot of the girls there seem to think that it’s just “Tinder with rich guys in it”. They’re still wanting the same things as a regular GF, only they want money on top of it.
For example the one up here ^. Seeking long term, marriage minded, lol. Why would anyone look for marriage in a place like seeking?

[Riff888]

I’ve been browsing the profiles on seeking for fun. A lot of the girls there seem to think that it’s just “Tinder with rich guys in it”. They’re still wanting the same things as a regular GF, only they want money on top of it.
For example the one up here ^. Seeking long term, marriage minded, lol. Why would anyone look for marriage in a place like seeking?More direct than dating apps.

We know what each other wants.

Girls want money, men want sex.

Some men just want companionship or just some eye candy for an event. There's all sorts.

We've read in this forum that this can lead to long term and happy relationships.

I think you've got a higher chance of a successful long term relationship with a SB then a long term relationship with a WL/ML.

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[GoldfishMan]

More direct than dating apps.
We know what each other wants.
Girls want money, men want sex.
Some men just want companionship or just some eye candy for an event. There's all sorts.
We've read in this forum that this can lead to long term and happy relationships.
I think you've got a higher chance of a successful long term relationship with a SB then a long term relationship with a WL/ML.
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There are as many different kinds of girls on Seeking, with different motivations, as there are in a nightclub or a bar. To assume they all want the same thing or to take a cookie cutter approach to them would be a mistake. The challenge, and it's part of the fun, is to work out their motivation for being on the site. The answer very rarely lies in their online chat. Everyone has superficial answers they will tell a perfect stranger. That goes for us too.
That may be the case, but I still think it's a bit of a joke. I go in there, I find all these girls saying they want "Marriage Minded", "Long Term", "Platonic", etc. It just felt like the Seeking site was about "seeking arrangements" only in name, but inside it's all the same as any other dating app. I reckon Seeking is making a big mistake allowing this usage of their site by the girls, allowing all these tags on their profiles. It's even worse than guys trying to directly solicit sex from the girls. Over time it will just erode the meaning of their existence and they will simply fade away as yet another dating app, and an expensive one at that.

[GoldfishMan]

I haven't seen that happening and the same tags have been available for the past five years. The site can't be more explicit because they have to work within the FOSTA legislation in order to operate in the US.

"platonic" is often a euphemism for being open to non sex arrangements. There are girls on there who are being paid to go on dates or guys who just want company and will pay for it. It doesn't mean they are exclusively platonic - unless they say this - it just means they are open to different kinds of arrangements.

I had one "platonic" girl who took money from guys who wanted her to go to cocktail parties and events but would not sleep with them for any amount of money. She did however sleep with me for several months as an FWB. We met on the site and I never raised the question of money with her - I just showed her a very good time and she enjoyed what I did for her in bed. It's uncommon and I would not be suggesting that this will be everyone's experience, but once or twice a year, one of these types comes along.

I'm surprised you are on Seeking. I thought you had no interest in it?

I'm just browsing for now, not (yet) a paying member. I have my reasons. Mainly because my partner satisfies most of my sexual needs (except for the punting "habit"!), and some other personal life reasons. It all makes me kind of lazy to lift a finger to go through the whole shebang again!

[Johnisfun1969]

I had a meet with this 19 year old Viet uni student. Just a meet at a cafe, we had coffee.

She's not the prettiest girl and she had quite noticeable acne. But she's also slim and tall at 170cm.

She seems very naive and innocent. Said she's had a lot of rude men contacting her, around 5 messages a week. She also blocks guys that ask for sex on the first meet.

Not sure if this will progress and I know she's not the most attractive girl but I really want to get into her pants, even just once. These young innocent looking girls sometimes totally go off in bed.

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Hi Riff888 is this girl with glasses. I also came across this profile and she quickly moved to Kik. Then she asked for 3000 as allowance. So I suggested ppm. She comes back and says ok 150 for a coffee meet. Which I declined and she ended the conversation. Did you meet her and she ask for money. She does not look that attractive in her profile pic.

Would be interested to know how was your experience for the coffee date.

[tawer5ag]

Wow, i really should get into this sb tbing.

Sounds like a very good place to find young ladies to fuck.
Which seems to have more vfm than most wl/ml.

Havent read all of the posts/replies.

But my main questions would be:
-so you can basically just meet the sb every now and then and do what you want and agree on? Ill prolly just wanna fuck and play with her using toys for hours [emoji1787]

-how much of work does it need to start and maintain having a sb?

-typically you get more time fucking or enjoying her body than shops, pricewise?

-feels more amateurish and gfe?

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[Riff888]

Hi Riff888 is this girl with glasses. I also came across this profile and she quickly moved to Kik. Then she asked for 3000 as allowance. So I suggested ppm. She comes back and says ok 150 for a coffee meet. Which I declined and she ended the conversation. Did you meet her and she ask for money. She does not look that attractive in her profile pic.

Would be interested to know how was your experience for the coffee date.Yes sounds like her although I didn't pay her for the coffee meet, just the coffee.

It was raining and we were walking around under the umbrella, she did get close and is open to intimacy.

We haven't discussed financials yet but $3k a month is way too high. Especially when she's not really that attractive. She's got a great body and is tall though.

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[Markin]

There’s definitely someone for everyone. But I wouldn’t go on there just assuming you can pay for sex and talking about it on the site. That’s the fastest way to get banned.

that's what kik is for.

i have been surprised by a couple of SBs that didn't have kik. i think they both got it later but wtf.

whatsapp isn't the same, i use whatsapp for my vanilla comms.

[heianth]

Id recommend kik if it werent for the suggestive ads.

[Johnisfun1969]

Yes sounds like her although I didn't pay her for the coffee meet, just the coffee.

It was raining and we were walking around under the umbrella, she did get close and is open to intimacy.

We haven't discussed financials yet but $3k a month is way too high. Especially when she's not really that attractive. She's got a great body and is tall though.

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Thanks for the reply. Maybe she was more considerate to you. With the girls in the younger age group I did not have much luck. Most of them want online-only and want to share pics and videos. Most of these get banned in a couple of days.
I thought she was also one of them and I was abrupt.

[Riff888]

Thanks for the reply. Maybe she was more considerate to you. With the girls in the younger age group I did not have much luck. Most of them want online-only and want to share pics and videos. Most of these get banned in a couple of days.
I thought she was also one of them and I was abrupt.Oh she's real alright, just her availability sucks. I cannot meet up during work hours and she basically works all weekend.

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[Johnisfun1969]

I had a couple of question to the guys who are more expereinced on the Seeking Arrangement.

First is on the girsl who say they wont be intimate until they know you. This is fine and I would not mind investing my time as it may give more of a girlfriend experience once they open up. BUt most of these girls want $200-$300 just to meet you. I have have only gone on one of these meetings where the girl was happy with a gift. We met for breakfast and it was really nice haveing a chat. I had left the gift in the car to only offer her if things go allright. We had good chat over breakfast and got to know her. Its beeen 2-3 week and I have been busy and not gone for the second meeting. My question is how to you guys hadnle girls who want to meet for platonic dates but want 200-300 for it.

Secondly just want to know the girsl you have been chatting on the site. Once you move to the WhatsApp or phone number how much messaging you should do. I feel I send too many as my intnetions is to build a connection for regular meets. I find before you have met them the girls engage in messaging actively. But after you had the meeting and sex although they really enjoy also specially if you have taken them for a nice dinner and drinks. But the dont message as frequently. Currently there is one young girl who chats regularly. I thought I ask what was the eticate is for messaging.

Thanks guys still enjoying the SA experience. I met a curvy girl in Canberra and she was a nyphomaniac. With the Kamagra pills I have been able to perform like a porn star ahaha. Then I met a girl from GC who is Sydney for business. She says she is a wedding photographer and only activates her account when tyravelling. She was something, what a girl. I am hoping we can meet again when I am in GC next week. Fingers corssed.

Cheers,
had 2-3

[blacksugar]

I had a couple of question to the guys who are more expereinced on the Seeking Arrangement.

First is on the girsl who say they wont be intimate until they know you. This is fine and I would not mind investing my time as it may give more of a girlfriend experience once they open up. BUt most of these girls want $200-$300 just to meet you. I have have only gone on one of these meetings where the girl was happy with a gift. We met for breakfast and it was really nice haveing a chat. I had left the gift in the car to only offer her if things go allright. We had good chat over breakfast and got to know her. Its beeen 2-3 week and I have been busy and not gone for the second meeting. My question is how to you guys hadnle girls who want to meet for platonic dates but want 200-300 for it.

Secondly just want to know the girsl you have been chatting on the site. Once you move to the WhatsApp or phone number how much messaging you should do. I feel I send too many as my intnetions is to build a connection for regular meets. I find before you have met them the girls engage in messaging actively. But after you had the meeting and sex although they really enjoy also specially if you have taken them for a nice dinner and drinks. But the dont message as frequently. Currently there is one young girl who chats regularly. I thought I ask what was the eticate is for messaging.

Thanks guys still enjoying the SA experience. I met a curvy girl in Canberra and she was a nyphomaniac. With the Kamagra pills I have been able to perform like a porn star ahaha. Then I met a girl from GC who is Sydney for business. She says she is a wedding photographer and only activates her account when tyravelling. She was something, what a girl. I am hoping we can meet again when I am in GC next week. Fingers corssed.

Cheers,
had 2-3

Don’t pay for just the meetup, unless you have too much money to spend.

Message her if that’s what you like and you think she likes to as well. Otherwise, they would think you are too needy and looking for a gf.

We all want a bit of connection and someone to talk to. That’s perfectly normal.

[heianth]

On the messaging part - I look at as tit for tat. If they aren't responding I ain't sending.

Don't want to come across as needed or desperate, I definitely don't want a girl to be like that with me forcing me to always be on my phone (which my wife will notice as odd).

[Johnisfun1969]

Back from GC. Met a little hottie half German half Asian student. 500 per night i paid her and boy was she fun a definite keeper. On 2 nd night she said we dont need condoms so fucked bareback in my hotel.

Only thing boys if they park at the hotel make sure they dont charge it to your room Im going to have to explain that one to the boss haha!

Hi mate I am off to Gold Coast and Brisbane next week. Would you share the profile name of the girl perhaps in private message. I have lined up a girl but lot of times they cancel at the last moment. I can share ones I have met in Syd, Gc and Brisbane

[Johnisfun1969]

Still banging her mate

She is coming to Sydney to stay with me in two weeks

Sorry mate, did not realise you were getting along with her. Otherwise I would not have said. Enjoy the time with her.

[apokalypse]

Back from GC. Met a little hottie half German half Asian student. 500 per night i paid her and boy was she fun a definite keeper. On 2 nd night she said we dont need condoms so fucked bareback in my hotel.

Only thing boys if they park at the hotel make sure they dont charge it to your room Im going to have to explain that one to the boss haha!

500 per night? thats a great price and seems she's not about the money...

[apokalypse]

Don’t pay for just the meetup, unless you have too much money to spend.

Message her if that’s what you like and you think she likes to as well. Otherwise, they would think you are too needy and looking for a gf.

We all want a bit of connection and someone to talk to. That’s perfectly normal.

could that be first date of relationship without commitment? what point u guys talking about prices? end of the meeting or 2nd meeting? I'm agreed with people out there need to have first meeting to see how it goes...

[rooter]

Back in the day the Sugar Daddy/Baby thing was not very common and usually involved a very rich man sponsoring a girl, often keeping her in an apartment and paying her rent, maybe giving her a car, giving her a generous allowance, spoiling her with expensive gifts etc, and it was often an exclusive relationship - the Baby didn't see other guys, and the Daddy usually didn't see other girls or maybe if he was super rich he might be running a couple of babies at once.
But these days mainly because of the internet and various aps what people call Sugar Daddy/Baby is in reality just paying for an escort.
Basically it's just punting. Sugar Daddies are punters. And Sugar Babies are escorts.
Any bloke who has an average income of over 80,000 pa can be a sugar daddy.
80% of men have enough disposable income to pay $400-$500 to catch up with a girl and fuck her once a week.
And as for the girls, well they can call themselves Sugar Babies, but basically they are escorts or prostitutes.
There is nothing wrong with being a punter and there is nothing wrong with being an escort.
In fact there is everything right about it.
But this farcical nonsense of calling it Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby is just nonsense.
Lets just call it what it is Prostitution. Beautiful, wonderful, magical, prostitution - the greatest invention of mankind :)

[Markin]

I never talk price. I focus on the experience I'm going to give them. If they bring up price, that will be the first we speak of it.

Some of my chats with SA girls seem to fizzle out. I start off conversational, trying not to be too creepy, but probably should try to make the chat more sexy.

On the other hand I find it fake and off putting if the SBs start using 'darling' or putting kisses right from the start after every single line of chat.

[Riff888]

Some of my chats with SA girls seem to fizzle out. I start off conversational, trying not to be too creepy, but probably should try to make the chat more sexy.

On the other hand I find it fake and off putting if the SBs start using 'darling' or putting kisses right from the start after every single line of chat.Those are the career SBs. Most would be premium members but I've had some awesome times with premium girls.

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[heianth]

Some of my chats with SA girls seem to fizzle out. I start off conversational, trying not to be too creepy, but probably should try to make the chat more sexy.

On the other hand I find it fake and off putting if the SBs start using 'darling' or putting kisses right from the start after every single line of chat.

Sometimes it's them, not you. I've forgotten how many weeks it's been since I joined premium but I've my share of reply/no-reply and I always try to engage in thoughtful (engaging) conversation around their profile.

Some of their profiles said they want a connection etc but if they don't respond to my open ended questions - just shows they weren't really genuine to be with.

I have also been using the messages as a way to improve myself in staying "interesting" to talk to, cause I see it as a transferable skill in my everyday life.

Don't stop believing in yourself.

[Rookiestones]

Hi Benny, great thread. I'm very interested in this topic as it's a potential alternative to the ML/WL option perhaps. Various questions will be forthcoming... Thanks in advance.

[apokalypse]

Some feedback from a recent trip to Melbourne:

- $400 is still very much achievable in the market
- I had one girl come over for 4 hours one evening and the following evening she stayed over and I gave her $500. She works in a government agency in a management role and just loves the idea of being paid to fuck. Slim, brunette, petite and a lot of fun.

So for those of you thinking of sugaring interstate, Melbourne still has an excellent selection of SBs and very reasonable pricing. Of course there are the daydreamers who want $600 or $700 or more, but you just have to sift through those.

that's decent price but importantly which i agreed with... there's girls out there have jobs considered doing it.

great thread and insight from you..alot of shit for us to learn.

[Rookiestones]

February is traditionally a great month for the Sugarbabe sites.

A few things that increase the number of women signing up to the platforms:

1. Universities go back and many girls are moving out of home and realising it costs a lot more to enjoy the same lifestyle

2. They've started thinking about where they are going on holiday, or student debt they want to pay off, or the property market they want to get into, or just the latest handbag they want to buy and a friend has suggested going onto a Sugarbabe site

3. January is statistically a month where many relationships end - and girls find themselves trying something new. Like sugar dating.

Hopefully it's a good month for you guys who are thinking of trying it out for the first time.

I find your observations very insightful.

To me it reveals and/or provides a hint to what their motives are. Certainly good Intel to use as an advantage and for timing. Could also apply to MLs when it comes to extras/tips.

Did you uncover these circumstantial insights from general revelations of numerous SBs you've interacted with?

[Rookiestones]

In terms of discretion, I would also say, more broadly, that it's good to have a balanced approach. You don't want to be so private that you are hard work to connect with or the girls never see photos of you. Equally, you don't want to be opening yourself up to scammers. Taking basic precautions are easy - have a video call, meet them in person first, judge by the way the conversation is going whether they sound normal and worth engaging with.

Does that help?

Discretion is certainly priority for all the married and partnered punters here including me.

So what's a good balance approach, whats your practice? How much do you reveal about yourself to the SB?

Do you portray a certain fictitious but plausible profile about yourself and stick to that story no matter what or do you provide guarded information about you like your relationship status, type of work you do and area you around and set boundaries, rules, agreements at the outset then slowly open yourself up overtime once trust is established with a SB?

We are greedy and want both worlds. There's always a fear of being exposed, caught, black mailed or a SB developing feelings and that could spill into private life. The fear is real.