Sugarbabes - Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast markets

[GoldfishMan]

Ok thanks for clarifying. The other question is they're taking less cash than a WL which I also find quite strange. Are they not on the site looking get some money?

Maybe they haven't even researched how much a real WL pulls in? I mean, let's assume that the SB really thinks of herself as not a prostitute. Then she wouldn't even compare herself to them... So she wouldn't even try to match a prostitutes pay.

All about what she thinks she is, I guess.

[Rookiestones]

Maybe they haven't even researched how much a real WL pulls in? I mean, let's assume that the SB really thinks of herself as not a prostitute. Then she wouldn't even compare herself to them... So she wouldn't even try to match a prostitutes pay.

All about what she thinks she is, I guess.

Would being a SB eventually progress to being a WL? Yes it's naive to think this but I do wonder how many WLs (privates) started off this way.

[Rookiestones]

It's been an interesting 12 months.

Lived with 2 SBs in 2 different apartments. Both found out about each other, 1 hates me completely, I'm still with one.

I swear I don't know how but girls just know.

Sixth sense is real.

Hard to know...



The girls that want money just for meets. I've even been called in the middle of the night to pay for her Uber from Barangaroo to Emersons Park, lol hard pass. She was hot and 21

Maybe this could be why?

[andrewv]

Genuine question here as I've never gone on SA but doesn't asking for PPM scream cheapskate? I'm assuming SBs would love a SD that pays them everything and they don't have to put out?

Like how would you convince them to offer themselves BB for prices that are cheaper than a brothel WL?

From my experience, many girls say on their profiles that they are not looking for one-off meetings or PPM. In fact, we men are not allowed to mention PPM as one of the rules of the seeking site.

In most cases it is simply the girls’ wishful thinking that there is a SD out there that will pay them a monthly allowance to fund their lifestyle— several are asking for serious amounts like $2,000 a week to cover rent and food.

However, the reality is the only honest way is to be paid when meetings occur. In my case, I say to them that I like to start with a payment each time a meeting takes place and if things become regular we can move to a weekly or monthly fixed amount. I never did that (move to an allowance payment).

The other reality is I am confident they all see other men even when they say they’re after an exclusive arrangement or “only one man”.

Keep in mind that young 20 to 28 year old women do think that old guys are suckers. It’s unspoken but why would any man give $$$ cash to get sex!!!
All the bullshit language around keeping it sound as not sex for sale is them and us being delusional.

After all, would you insist on giving a woman $500 or more every time you fuck her if she said she doesn’t want money.

[Double_Adapter]

Maybe they haven't even researched how much a real WL pulls in? I mean, let's assume that the SB really thinks of herself as not a prostitute. Then she wouldn't even compare herself to them... So she wouldn't even try to match a prostitutes pay.

All about what she thinks she is, I guess.

+1

Ultimately we are all prostitutes selling our bodies and/or abilities for a fistful of dollars.
Every man and woman has a price it's just a matter of finding out how much they are worth, and in Cristiano Ronaldo's case - $4m per week.

[Meng]

Lol. So in summary. In order to justify to themselves internally that they aren't a WL they have sex with punters for cheap. Think men have found a new cheaper outlet here lol.

It's like a reverse terminator Skynet? Where in the movie Skynet becomes self aware. A SB is un-self aware that they're basically a WL?!

[Sydboy65]

You’re making an assumption that everyone should get paid the same?

That’s not how it works. It’s a market place. People are bargaining based on personal needs, motivation and attraction.

It’s not a unionized workforce mate

[Sydboy65]

And yes it is cheaper by the hour or the round of sex. But it's harder work to get there. Most guys don't have the patience or the ability so they just overpay. They should stick to escorts.

[andrewv]

Lol. So in summary. In order to justify to themselves internally that they aren't a WL they have sex with punters for cheap. Think men have found a new cheaper outlet here lol.

It's like a reverse terminator Skynet? Where in the movie Skynet becomes self aware. A SB is un-self aware that they're basically a WL?!

Sugar babies have the power to choose which men to sleep with, while WL generally accept whoever knocks on the door (with some exceptions).

Downside for men is the added cost of hotel rooms because most sb girls ‘cannot host’.

In my experience, most WL that I’ve seen are better at FS than sb amateurs. WL arrangements are simpler and expectations on both sides are much more defined. No games.

[RNT4LIFE]

SB Asianinvasion on the Goldie is asking for $1k, is there any review on her or any one seen her ?
Want to treat myself to a birthday gift. She's willing to stay for few hours.

[RNT4LIFE]

Anyone mat lingling, Asian in bankstown, asking for $600, including anal

[Sydboy65]

My intel on the Sugarbabe forum suggests don't waste your time with this one RNT4LIFE

Much hotter Caucasian chicks in Sydney for that or less.

[Sydboy65]

I totally agree with this from my experience with ~15 SBs. It is usually a different experience to punting at brothel:
- I normally get at least 2-3 hours of intimacy. More than half of the time I'd spend closer to 6-7 hours with SBs each session.
- Most of the time I'd get BBFS (and CIP). For me it's been >80% of the time.
- Almost no FOAM whatsoever. I enjoy it so much more when the girl enjoys it too. This alone makes it hard for me to go back to brothel punting.
- DFK 100% of the time to date
- Conversations, cuddling, bath together, spending time together, texting/sexting when not together, etc
- Sometimes I only get 2 shots done during the meet and it work out to be more costly than banging a Jap girl at Ginza on a cost per shot basis. However, it's CIP and DFK so pretty tought to compete
- Occasionally I get freebies or overnight stays
- You know what you get - photos are real

Ah you must be that guy Andy that runs Punter Planet. I've been living in Melbourne for a couple of months now and have tried your site as well as TNT. There's no Melbourne content here so naturally have to go elsewhere.
If you actually had access to the Sugarbabe forums and even the Sugarbabe Highlights forum available to general members, you would see the monthly highlights are stuffed with 20yo hotties. And there are hundreds of them mate - and no advertising or WLs on the forum like your shop. So sadly your analysis does not stack up.
As for your site - why do you put all your RNT shops in code like "Its the shop on top of the hill next to the billboard of the car" as if anyone can be arsed to go looking for that crap. Just give people a name and an address.

[DrBean]

Read today where guys are paying $500 / hour in Sydney brothel for protected sex and BJs from one hot little spinner when she's going all natural as a Sugarbabe and members are getting 2-3 hours for that rate.

[Doc]

Hi there.
I have used SA for few months. Just wondering what other alternatives you guys can suggest which is good or similar in terms girls and responses.
I am finding SA subscription is bit too much as I do not use it regularly.
Thanks in advance.


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[Doc]

I have used SA for few months. Now thinking about to check out other websites.
Which websites you guys recommend with reasonable subscription price and better profiles.

[Doc]

Sorry about the double post.
Initially the post was not there, so I send another one after few hours. Thus ended up with two posts.


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[DrBean]

No such thing as cheap and better.

Which area are you searching?

[Dude]

Got approached by lingling. Also wondering if anyone got any tips or cues lol

[Dude]

Anyone mat lingling, Asian in bankstown, asking for $600, including anal

Got approached by lingling. Also wondering if anyone got any tips or cues lol

[Sydboy65]

See my comment above.

She’s fishing for business.

[exstar]

Got approached by lingling. Also wondering if anyone got any tips or cues lol

If it means anything I was in touch with her last year under a different username… however she had flaked a couple of times on me, so don’t know how genuine she is

[heianth]

Can I check if it's ok to post a coupon code here? 33% off

EDIT: VWO33RBELT1 (applies for both 30 or 90 day premium options)

[Aussieguyinsf]

Can I check if it's ok to post a coupon code here? 33% off

Go for it Bro Fellow

[Sydboy65]

Banging some absolutely ripper SBs down in Melbourne. Makes working there during the week a dream. 400 very achievable and have had overnights for 500. All 20-23yo Aussiestudents. They got it good down there!

[Putter]

Someone must have really pissed off Karia on SA.

Definitely a chick to avoid unless ur into being dominated.

[Frederic]

Lots of different types. And lots of guys who like them.

Your comment is a bit cryptic. Did you see her? Or just commenting on her profile?

[Sydboy65]

Who is Karia? Link?

[Sydboy65]

Had my one SB stay over twice this week in Melbourne. Being able to fly up and down from Sydney and be out the family home is a great way to punt.

Brought the missus down yesterday. Thankfully the blonde hairs were all vacuumed up by the hotel staff before she got in. I’m just hoping there’s no stray jewelery or women’s toiletries I missed.

[Rookiestones]

Banging some absolutely ripper SBs down in Melbourne. Makes working there during the week a dream. 400 very achievable and have had overnights for 500. All 20-23yo Aussiestudents. They got it good down there!

Lucky fella. Sounds like you're having a great time.

[Rookiestones]

Had my one SB stay over twice this week in Melbourne. Being able to fly up and down from Sydney and be out the family home is a great way to punt.


With the stay over, aren't you concerned that while you're deep asleep the SB might look thru your wallet, or work bag or phone and potentially gather details about your personal information such as real name, address or where you work (from ID card)?

[Aussieguyinsf]

I’m doing very well with $400 dates in Sydney for at least a couple of hours.

[ditchtheboss]

I’m doing very well with $400 dates in Sydney for at least a couple of hours.

I seem to only attract $500 and up apart from the one exception. Having said that, even $500 is cheaper than the brothel

[Sydboy65]

With the stay over, aren't you concerned that while you're deep asleep the SB might look thru your wallet, or work bag or phone and potentially gather details about your personal information such as real name, address or where you work (from ID card)?

She already knows all of those things - my real name, where I work. I know the same about her.

Why would I hide that?

Have you been watching too many Hollywood movies? :)

[Sydboy65]

I share your concerns.

Two ways you will get caught in life - either carelessness or overconfidence. Must avoid both every single day

Would never invite a partner to a hotel room I have just punted in

There are at least 5 bad scenarios.

SBs have been known to leave earrings behind that have fallen under the bed
You are assuming hotel cleaners clean rooms. Cleaners often do not clean under beds. That's a fact
A careless SB may want to visit you again in your hotel not realising you have your wife there. One scenario - reception rings you to say SB is downstairs and is beside herself because she is sure she left expensive earring in your hotel room. She will wait in the lobby until this is sorted out

Another scenario is of the reception people take a liking to your SB, and they ask you when you are checking out with your wife in earshot - "How many people stayed in your room? I saw your daughter a few days back, the one with really nice perfume, what brand was it?"
You will then find yourself in a particularly deep hole

I think you make some good points here about risk. To clarify

It's not sliding doors for me. She came over Tuesday and Thursday.
My partner came over Friday night. The room had been cleaned.
The hotel is massive, not a tiny guest house and staff change constantly.
I'm not flaunting my SB around in front of them. I'm just one of a few hundred coming in and out.
But I like your suspicious mind Chariot!!!

[Sydboy65]

Not to mention the SB with a big credit card debt. I know women with $40000 debts. It costs a lot to look fancy

I would definitely be locking up my bank and credit cards Remember a lot of SBs have actual boyfriends. The honest SBs are fine. It's the dishonest ones you have to worry about.

You are at high risk of being blackmailed as well if you meet a business minded SB

It comes down to who you pick. Have you had these experiences?

[andrewv]

I'd love to know how you score at only $400. I must be targeting the wrong SB's who are all seeking $600 and even more....
Any hints, much appreciated.

[Sydboy65]

@AndrewV I follow the mantra of the original poster on this thread. His tips I copied down as notes.

Also knowing the prices of different girls helps

[Riff888]

@AndrewV I follow the mantra of the original poster on this thread. His tips I copied down as notes.

Also knowing the prices of different girls helpsYou mean your own tips Benny.

Why call yourself Sydboy when you know nothing of Sydney first hand.

Couldn't make it more obvious with that username.

How's your Frank persona going? Bet you're itching to let him out right about now.

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[Chauncey85]

Uh-oh, the sugar daddies are fighting again...

[Sydboy65]

Uh-oh, the sugar daddies are fighting again...

I’m a lover not a fighter mate.

No sense arguing with barking dogs. You just pick up their fleas.

[Sydboy65]

Discount code for you chaps
VWO15COM

[Rogeryou]

You mean your own tips Benny.

Why call yourself Sydboy when you know nothing of Sydney first hand.

Couldn't make it more obvious with that username.

How's your Frank persona going? Bet you're itching to let him out right about now.

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Hahahha not obvious at all 😂🤭

[wilisno]

Top marks for detective work Riff. ;) ;) ;)

[dotcumdotinyou]

If it is you Frank send me a dm. I've got an address for you

[wilisno]

Benny and a few other accounts were obviously suss. But can’t the admins just bugger off the duplicate accounts? Or don’t they know? It’s getting a little annoying.

On a public forum, everyone is annoying to someone else, as long as he’s not over the top and stir up shits or breaking forum rules, he can stay for a while longer.

[Sydboy65]

I seem to only attract $500 and up apart from the one exception. Having said that, even $500 is cheaper than the brothel

Are you going for Euro types or?

[Riff888]

On a public forum, everyone is annoying to someone else, as long as he’s not over the top and stir up shits or breaking forum rules, he can stay for a while longer.Yes it's just a matter of time until he starts advertising, same as his other accounts.

Business must be bad there [emoji23]

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[Sydboy65]

Yap yap yap yap yap

Must be a bad flea season

Try this

https://www.discovermagazine.com/lifestyle/12-best-flea-and-tick-medicines-for-dogs-in-2022

[DrBean]

Surprise surprise. The same old trouble makers are back.

[ditchtheboss]

Are you going for Euro types or?

No. I have had young asians asking for 650 and a gorgeous blonde asking for 500. To be honest even the 650 is younger, sexier and is better value than the WLs, perhaps not better sex than K Jessie or Dior’s level but better than most WLs

[Aussieguyinsf]

Hi for 400 I’m doing Asian milfs in the early 30s, a 22 year old model body visiting from Singapore and for $500 I’m doing similar who also host so saving on hotel. That said I’ve met the most dreamy women for drinks who have wanted $1000 and walked away. There really is no standard.

[Aussieguyinsf]

These ladies are sleeping with you on a first date. Inviting you to their hotel rooms on a first date ? Find it hard to believe
I bet you are spending money on s get to know you date first

No I’m not. Straight to it. As long as you have photos and a genuine profile you are 95% ahead of the pack. For a lot of them it’s not worth traveling 2 hours to the city and back for a coffee meet.

[DrBean]

Chariot what Aussieguy is saying is completely plausible and I believe him.

He’s not the only one. Most of us who are on sugar dating sites are having the same kind of experiences.

There are acceptable protocols - sure there is online chat to capture her attention, perhaps also video calls to verify each other and a drink in the hotel bar beforehand. But what he is describing is how a lot of meets go.

[Sydboy65]

Those are fair numbers. Although you seem to be paying a lot for hotels.

You doing overnights?

[Rickyon]

The ratio of men to women on SA is realistically about 10 women for every man, and trust me it's easy to stand out.

Being hygienic, having a little bit of personality, putting in a bit of time, and knowing how to pick out profiles are absolute key.
If you're round around the waist, pass it off as a dad bod. It's easy to exaggerate a bit or change details about what you say to your life to look more favorable. If they delve into it, just ask for discretion. Simple.
You don't need to be a millionaire to be on SD, nor act like it. Most SBs are looking for someone "They can find a connection with" aka, someone down to earth with a little more life experience than they do (and money of course lol).

I think some people have the wrong mindset. SDs aren't buying a commodity like we usually are going to a brothel or with an escort, we're more like an employer.
Take the time to talk things out online before meeting them, and stipulate what you want. Work out a rate beforehand for if you end up bedding them or not. You're the boss, you have the power.
If they don't like it, don't meet them, move onto the next one. They give you red flags when you first meet them? Move on in the middle of the date and cut your losses.

Similar to Smallwang
SB: Never paid more than 600, on average around 450. (once got an SB down to 200 cause she was just horny after the first meeting lmao). That's in Sydney anyway, the market overseas is cheaper with WAY more options (Singapore is an absolute dream).

Hotel: Dayuse is your best friend. Some really good hotels let you stay until 11pm for under 200 dollars. Just say you have work the next day. If you want overnight, stay out of the city and get a deal. Meriton suites are fancy enough for most SBs in North Sydney or Parramatta are under $250 Friday to Sunday. They can be under 200 on a weekday. Have a lower budget than that? Get a cheaper hotel, blame your company and HR for giving you a shitty hotel room

Dinner/Drinks: Don't need to be a fine dining experience. One time I took an SB to a ramen bar for 25 dollars for ramen and a soft drink and she absolutely loved it.

A bit of time, a bit of effort, that's all it takes and the experiences are way better than an escort/brothel. (But just like I crave Mcdonalds, yeah sometimes I want something fast and easy)

[Sydboy65]

Very well said Rick. It’s not rocket science

[andrewv]

Thanks for the insights, @Rickyon and @smallwang, et al. One question if you could please educate us:
When you first make contact with a prospective sugarbaby on seeking or other sites, and they ask you "What are you offering?" ... do you name your price (say $500) upfront in reply, or do you ask them what they want (which they usually say $700 or $800 or even more)?

I am trying to find the strategy you have been using. Also, if they jump in ahead of you and say "I am looking for $1000", do you move on, or do you try to bargain them down to something realistic in the range of say $400 to $600?

I have had girls use the trick (I guess they share this trick between themselves) of telling me "My last arrangement was giving me $800 PPM". I think it is bullshit to try to convince me that $800 is "normal".

Thanks

[Sydboy65]

You are probably right Chariot. It’s all a big conspiracy. When in doubt, stick to your knitting is all I can say.

[Sydboy65]

Depends on whether you use the discount code I just gave you guys earlier.

No great reward without risk my friend. Give it a go.

[andrewv]

The ratio of members on seeking dot com is definitely 80:20 (babes to daddies), as indicated by many sources which you can google.
However, like most dating sites (not only sugar ones), they say that 80% of the girls are going for 20% of the men on the site, leaving 80% of the men chasing the remaining 20% of the women.
Lots of articles about this ratio which also applies to tinder and other sites.

There has been documentaries (not sure if any still on youtube) showing sugar babes living the high life on large sums like 300,000 to 400,000 a year because they have multiple guys paying them. The good news is some of the babes I met in Sydney on seeking are genuine university students trying to make ends meet, and one of them told me how spending 2 or 3 hours a week with a daddy pays her more than working 30 hours as a shop assistant at a boutique in the city. She then has time to study. Fair enough and good on her.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Hi for 400 I’m doing Asian milfs in the early 30s, a 22 year old model body visiting from Singapore and for $500 I’m doing similar who also host so saving on hotel. That said I’ve met the most dreamy women for drinks who have wanted $1000 and walked away. There really is no standard.

Haha i think i know who you're talking about regarding the 22 year old model body from Singapore, shes an absolute cracker!

[Sydboy65]

The ratios quote are reasonably accurate.

About 6:1 profiles ;female to male). How many are active at any point in time is harder to measure.

There are other sex review sites that are devoted to Sugarbabes that have all this data on numbers and pricing as well as reviews of individual girls.

Just go and google Sugarbabe Sex Reviews Australia and do your research. It’s all there if you don’t believe what we are telling you here.

[andrewv]

You’re 100% correct, @smallwang. If you’re 50+ and not fit looking the girls will ask for more cash than usual. That’s how 20/21/23 year olds think. They know it’s a market.

[Sydboy65]

Very true with pricing from SW and Av

The ratio is in our favour because we have money and status and they want a taste. We are catering to a fantasy, whichever fantasy it is that they have and we can deliver on.

I’ve seen more than 30 girls on seeking since I started. Happy if no one else believes it. I don’t need more competition 😂

But most guys on sex forums just want a quick easy fuck for under 200 (which is fine) so I think the ratio will stay in our favour

[andrewv]

Hi @Sydboy65. Could I ask you your age and are you a gym/fit looking guy? Just trying to see if you’ve attracted 30 girls on seeking without going bankrupt is an age/looks factor 🙂

[Sydboy65]

Hi @Sydboy65. Could I ask you your age and are you a gym/fit looking guy? Just trying to see if you’ve attracted 30 girls on seeking without going bankrupt is an age/looks factor ��

Of course. But you still can’t afford me. I know my worth ��
I’m over 30 and under 50
I have a career, I train 5x a week.
I sometimes get asked why I’m on these sites and not on traditional dating sites. I reply that I’m not here for a traditional relationship.
You can PM me if you want to know more mate.

[Aussieguyinsf]

If anyone received a text from a Sydney sugarbaby holidaying in the Philippines overnight please dm me. She sent a pic of her on a boat in a bikini.

I just want to compare notes on experiences.

[ptrking]

Mate your would think your logic is correct. The internet is full of sex scams ripping off lonely men. But for whatever reason the ratio on seeking is in your favour. I have no idea why but it is. Seriously just try it out. You will be surprised.

However, something that hasn’t really been discussed on this thread is the punters looks, age etc. most young SBs I’ve spoken to prefer men under 50. So if you’re over 50 probs start looking at the girls in their 30s. Second, looks. The girls use discriminative pricing. If you’re fit healthy and reasonable good looking you will have much more success. Just like in real life. So don’t kid yourself and think you can pickup a hot young uni student for under $500 if you’re obese with no hygiene. Then come back and complain the site is a scam. Sorry that’s the hard truth.

This is completely true. I'm new to the game after PM'ing a few people here. I'm between 20-50 and reasonable looking, also not ultra rich but doing ok. Facetimed first SB a couple of times after which she decided to catch a train from out of town to come meet me, and said she didn't want anything. She was 24 and also had a BF lol she was fucking wild after few drinks was into FF, BDSM and swallowed. Was even ok with BB. Won't go into it but things took a turn for worse afterwards and she left. She was crazy but hey, caveat emptor.

Second SB is also a 24yo European who works as an escort. Went out on a fancy date which was a lot of fun, start hooking up and she drops that she'll fuck me for $1000. Having already dropped $600 or so I was like nah thanks anyway, but we continued to hook up. Lo and behold a couple of days later she messages me saying not to worry about the money and that she makes enough, but wants to still see me, and has just turned friendly but also flirty. Have another date on Saturday and I'm almost positive I'm about to start a fwb situation. Will report back on this.

So in summary, if you're cool and reasonable looking, SB can be a good head start over Tinder, etc.

[ondoyz]

keen to try this method. already a member on that website but never got a luck.. do I need to become premium member first to increase the chance?

[Frederic]

keen to try this method. already a member on that website but never got a luck.. do I need to become premium member first to increase the chance?

How are you communicating with girls on Seeking if you are not a premium member?

[ondoyz]

How are you communicating with girls on Seeking if you are not a premium member?

no communicate yet.. now you mention it… I totally forgot about that.. since i’m new at that website..

[parr2150]

there is plenty of females on sdm, 400-500 for a few hours
so far i have found 1 girl from out west who lets me see her for $150 for a few hours (milf 35yrs old)

[Aussieguyinsf]

“ Hi I’m just looking for someone to meet twice a week with an allowance of 20k a month if that doesn’t suit you then I can possibly find you other girls that can thanks x”

[andrewv]

Premium membership is how seeking makes its income. It’s not expensive if you wait for their regular 30% discount offers.

[andrewv]

“ Hi I’m just looking for someone to meet twice a week with an allowance of 20k a month if that doesn’t suit you then I can possibly find you other girls that can thanks x”

20k per month is $240,000 per year and about $350,000 before tax. I guess only property developers or dr-g dealers could afford this babe!!!

[Sydboy65]

Sounds like a pimp
Crap marketing if he’s trying to set an expectation on price

[thelastdance]

Anyone seen a girl calling herself Zaaa ?

[thelastdance]

Thanks to the three members who contacted me on PM about her. Very helpful.

[Riff888]

I saw a few SBs from last year are now WLs either private or in shops.

I guess there's a thin line between a SB and a WL.

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[Aussieguyinsf]

Anyone ever seen Jiyen? If so please pm me.

[thelastdance]

Sorry this doesn’t ring a bell. Do you have a photo or something?

[Sydboy65]

Anyone ever seen Jiyen? If so please pm me.

Seems to have been reviewed here. I don't have access.

93474

[Riff888]

Seems to have been reviewed here. I don't have access.

93474Haha Benny is back advertising TNT again.

Very subtle indeed [emoji1787]

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[GoldfishMan]

Haha Benny is back advertising TNT again.

Very subtle indeed [emoji1787]

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He even visited the page 2 times. 1 time to see that he "didn't have the access", and another time just to be sure that he didn't have the access.

[Riff888]

He even visited the page 2 times. 1 time to see that he "didn't have the access", and another time just to be sure that he didn't have the access.Hahahaha yeah, just to be sure [emoji23]

Oh well, banned just like his other accounts.

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[andrewv]

here’s a scenario for those who know .

Just had an awakening And feeling like I’m in an AA kinda space as typing….

I met a couple months ago a very cute late 20’s WL . Initial Thougt was a clear transactional event . Contact /sex/chat=money … the second booking became Sex/chat/food/sex =money

Third meeting no direct money just paid indirect costs = meals , snacks , drinks , cigarettes , coffee machine , other play things .. and so it flows

Now having known her a couple months doesn’t appear to be working in a trad. sense and we’ve had discussions on intimacy, expectations, time together , interest and reciprocity.

So, I find myself two months later been able to see her any much time I like when I am, In the same city , though the last month been averaging 2!days a week

She refers to her place as my home . I am given a key , while I’m in city so can come go as needs. I haven’t paid her any direct cash for more than 5-6 weeks

What’s going on here ? Have I unwittingly reverse engineered an SB/SH tryst ?

Did I get lucky ? Or should I move this across to one of the other maudlin /vaudevillian threads …Honey, I’m dating a (insert title here)

The above is factual

If you’re single then go for it, but if you’re married or have a long term partner/girlfriend then you’re in a dangerous situation.

From what I’ve read you’re going to get burned because she will one day declare her love and emotional attachment and/or get pregnant.

I like to keep SD/SB arrangements business-like but friendly. Paying the girl is part of what makes it an arrangement… what is called “boundaries”.

If she gave you a key to her place then the boundaries are not well drawn!!!

[Jacxz7]

If you’re single then go for it, but if you’re married or have a long term partner/girlfriend then you’re in a dangerous situation.

From what I’ve read you’re going to get burned because she will one day declare her love and emotional attachment and/or get pregnant.

I like to keep SD/SB arrangements business-like but friendly. Paying the girl is part of what makes it an arrangement… what is called “boundaries”.

If she gave you a key to her place then the boundaries are not well drawn!!!

Great advice there, I’m keen to learn more from this thread. Thanks everyone

[dodgybastard2]

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[dodgybastard2]

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[dodgybastard2]

Seems to have been reviewed here. I don't have access.

93474

Hi Benny! Just saying hello before you get banned again... for the 5th time!

[kiddoh]

Anyone ever seen Jiyen? If so please pm me.

Why this Auusieguyinsf is banned! Hmmmm, I thought he was a good contributor here!

[Riff888]

Why this Auusieguyinsf is banned! Hmmmm, I thought he was a good contributor here!I didn't know either.

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[Jacxz7]

Has anyone use sugardaddy.com.au? Care to share their success rate?

The reason I asked is the girls are more upfront with their ppm or other offer.

The chat function is unmonitored, so all the money, package, terms are discussed there. While I got banned from SA on day 1 lol

[DrBean]

Has anyone use sugardaddy.com.au? Care to share their success rate?

The reason I asked is the girls are more upfront with their ppm or other offer.

The chat function is unmonitored, so all the money, package, terms are discussed there. While I got banned from SA on day 1 lol

I'm not a huge fan of Sugardaddy because of the credit system. There was a guy from Newcastle I think who used it with some success.

If you read back through this thread there are some ideas on how to be reinstated on Seeking.

[Jacxz7]

I'm not a huge fan of Sugardaddy because of the credit system. There was a guy from Newcastle I think who used it with some success.

If you read back through this thread there are some ideas on how to be reinstated on Seeking.

Yes that credit system is evil, I spent the same amount of Seeking but burned half of the credits within the first 3 days.

Need to change my nickname and email address for seeking

[Aussieguyinsf]

There really are some fools destroying the Sydney market. One 45 year old tech worker gave a sb friend $500 to buy lingerie. Then $200 to buy drinks at pride. He has never met her - just phone calls.

[Jacxz7]

There really are some fools destroying the Sydney market. One 45 year old tech worker gave a sb friend $500 to buy lingerie. Then $200 to buy drinks at pride. He has never met her - just phone calls.

While on the other side I got a girl willing to do $300 for 3 hours. She is not a model tho, bit curvy but high sex drive, 21 yo uni student, bit short at 5.2, but keen to learn. We will meet up next Friday, so I will update you how I go. I found her on sd.com.au

[Dude]

You gotta love them in all sizes. Most of my best sex experience would be from them slightly curvier lady. My previous SB is a curvier mid 30s cauc, and man, that sex drive was a good bargain into the arrangement.

Current SB is asian, curvy and early 20s too. One of the best head i’ve had. Sex is still on the training regime, but lots of potential 😎


While on the other side I got a girl willing to do $300 for 3 hours. She is not a model tho, bit curvy but high sex drive, 21 yo uni student, bit short at 5.2, but keen to learn. We will meet up next Friday, so I will update you how I go. I found her on sd.com.au

[bradpitt]

Seems to have been reviewed here. I don't have access.

93474

Seems Jiyen is a good example of more out of date info on that site. Her profile on seeking shows last online Nov 2022.

From what I heard she has been taken out of the market by a generous SD, very generous.

SDs that know her will know what I mean

[bradpitt]

The ratio of men to women on SA is realistically about 10 women for every man, and trust me it's easy to stand out.

525 different SBs within 35kms of Sydney have logged into the seeking site since 1 March. That's pretty good odds.

[bradpitt]

I share your concerns.

Two ways you will get caught in life - either carelessness or overconfidence. Must avoid both every single day

Would never invite a partner to a hotel room I have just punted in

There are at least 5 bad scenarios.

SBs have been known to leave earrings behind that have fallen under the bed


Just Monday, SB left her rather spangly expensive sunglasses in my car, my family car. oops
Previously, another used my hairbrush to brushout her long blonde locks. hard to explain 60cms hairs when I have a No 2 cut.
Another time I came home without wearing my belt. Fortunately nobody noticed. I have a habit of encouraging SB to give me an in-car BBBJ. Very classy guy I am. I remove my belt in anticipation.
I never pick up hotel pens or pads from any hotels I use.


These have happened over 15 years of cheating.

[curiousgeorge1023]

@bradpitt 15 years not getting caught? You sir take the trophy in my books 👍😂

[DrBean]

Seems Jiyen is a good example of more out of date info on that site. Her profile on seeking shows last online Nov 2022.

From what I heard she has been taken out of the market by a generous SD, very generous.

SDs that know her will know what I mean

I saw her last year. She is rather kinky and was far too much for me to handle.

Are you a member? They posted over 100 new SB reviews (sex meets) in Feb from reading their mail.

[DrBean]

For the full story, how many men have logged on during that same time?

Hello Chariot. Have been reading your posts. Are you thinking of going down the SB route?

If you want to know the number of men online you have to have a female membership to see those statistics.

Would it make any difference to you if you knew? I don’t really worry about the competition. My approach seems to work well enough.

What is preventing you from trying it out?

[DrBean]

Just Monday, SB left her rather spangly expensive sunglasses in my car, my family car. oops
Previously, another used my hairbrush to brushout her long blonde locks. hard to explain 60cms hairs when I have a No 2 cut.
Another time I came home without wearing my belt. Fortunately nobody noticed. I have a habit of encouraging SB to give me an in-car BBBJ. Very classy guy I am. I remove my belt in anticipation.
I never pick up hotel pens or pads from any hotels I use.


These have happened over 15 years of cheating.

Thankfully I no longer need a hairbrush. Not much left on top at my age. I can imagine having to explain that would be interesting

[DrBean]

There really are some fools destroying the Sydney market. One 45 year old tech worker gave a sb friend $500 to buy lingerie. Then $200 to buy drinks at pride. He has never met her - just phone calls.

This is just quite silly. And how some women get ideas in their heads. Not sure he can even claim it’s an investment if he has never met her and they don’t have an ongoing arrangement?

[DrBean]

I respect people's choices and can see the advantage of finding a nice SB
SBs doesn't work for those who have a serious relationship or other life aspects, and don't want things complicated
Just one mistake as another described, such as a lady leaving women's sunglasses in your car, can create headaches for some.
If you read my posts, I'm being constructive, I just like to discuss all the issues this SB game has.

If I was single and had a million dollars disposable cash, and no worries if a SB went rogue after we break up and intruded intoe my life, Id be joining your lifestyle. Certainly the life would be fun. But life is more complicated than that for many

It certainly could get complicated if you get it wrong. If you are naturally more risk adverse then there’s no need to complicate your life. You will find that many SDs are married or partnered, if that is your concern.

[DrBean]

That is true and must who do it are clearly not worried about the consequences. Men vary too in their appetite for risk. But there is risk, including using one phone to lead two lives

That is an unfair generalisation. How do you come to that conclusion?

I would say everyone I know who does it and is partnered takes the consequences very seriously and is very careful about how they do things.

[DrBean]

Yes. Punters also take the consequences seriously. But SB has additional risks. There are infinitely more things to be careful about with an SB if your private reputation must remain clean. Most WLs don't have our full names or mobile phone numbers. Hell, most WLs don't know even out real first names. Anonymity has major advantages for some

So for example, do you give your SB your primary mobile phone number, and after how many dates do you give a SB your real first and last name?
What do you tell her if she wants to put your face photo on her insta feed, do you care?

Yes they do have this information. But what do you
suppose that a normal student will do with this?

And why would she put me on her insta feed? The SBs I date want discretion as much as I do. We don’t take photos together.

[DrBean]

Yes. Punters also take the consequences seriously. But SB has additional risks. There are infinitely more things to be careful about with an SB if your private reputation must remain clean. Most WLs don't have our full names or mobile phone numbers. Hell, most WLs don't know even our real first names. Anonymity has major advantages for some

So for example, do you give your SB your primary mobile phone number, and after how many dates do you give a SB your real first and last name?
What do you tell her if she wants to put your face photo on her insta feed, do you care? What I'd she likes your photo on Facebook, does that matter?

My mate had this issue: A few years after they stopped dating, a SB wrote an entry on a forum about him with his first and last name and some identifying facts about his workplace, that shows up on a Google search of his name.

Ah I see. That sounds like an arrangement that went beyond casual dating - more like a long term relationship. I don’t get into anything of a serious nature or let feelings into it. I only see women who don’t want anything serious.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

You are describing short term sex and adventures with younger ladies which comes with a price.
Sounds like expensive friend with benefits

I imagine most women want to know more details and their friends don't hesitate to find out more online about you if they like you.
But of course not, just being paranoid right?

Yes i think you are, conduct your own due diligence before meeting in person and try to avoid the crazies, scammers, platonic timewasters, and you will soon find they don't want to get involved in your personal life

So on average would you meet a lady 1-3 times on average?
I'm not judging, just getting the full picture

Do you give your SB your primary mobile phone number, and after how many dates do you give a SB your real first and last name?
What if she accidentally likes your photo on Facebook, does that matter?
No, you use an anonymous messaging app like KIK


End of the day we can all keep talking and running around in circles, but as i always say, try something first then give your own opinion on it good or bad, to each their own etc

[charliejhd]

Might be slightly off-topic but has anyone done any arrangements overseas? I checked out the market for Japan due to an upcoming trip and I was super disappointed just to see tourist/non natives & basically zero Japanese people.
SA just might be no good for Japan is there any better alternatives for that type of things over there?

[Riff888]

Might be slightly off-topic but has anyone done any arrangements overseas? I checked out the market for Japan due to an upcoming trip and I was super disappointed just to see tourist/non natives & basically zero Japanese people.
SA just might be no good for Japan is there any better alternatives for that type of things over there?
Mate, I found WeChat's people nearby feature worked well the last time I was in Japan.

Works best around Tokyo.

[thelastdance]

You sound very paranoid. Have you been caught before? Are you famous and need to protect your identity? Just go with the flow. I can tell you most sb I’ve met have divulged their own personal details before I have. And as everyone is saying they have just as much motivation as you to keep it discrete.

I met one girl who worked in my industry and was a new grad. She knows where I work and I know where she works. Both of us don’t want anyone knowing this. Why would we? So why would we sabotage each other?

I use my normal phone and my name once we meet in person and I think they are ok. If she is a complete nutcase, she is going to be that way anyway and will probably go to great lengths to find that stuff out in which case you should ask yourself how you ended up there in the first place. Just don’t pick bunny boilers.

[charliejhd]

Mate, I found WeChat's people nearby feature worked well the last time I was in Japan.

Works best around Tokyo.

Sounds easy.. any websites too?

[DrBean]

I’ve been sugaring for over ten years and have never experienced any of the issues you suggest Chariot.

I can’t believe I’m that lucky. I do think I have decent judgement in the women I choose.

I’ve also not had an STI. Maybe I’m doing something right?

[DrBean]

You are describing short term sex and adventures with younger ladies which comes with a price.
Sounds like expensive friend with benefits

I imagine most women want to know more details and their friends don't hesitate to find out more online about you if they like you.
But of course not, just being paranoid right?

So on average would you meet a lady 1-3 times on average?
I'm not judging, just getting the full picture

Do you give your SB your primary mobile phone number, and after how many dates do you give a SB your real first and last name?
What if she accidentally likes your photo on Facebook, does that matter?

Meets - between 1-10x on average
Usually a few girls ongoing at a time
Longest has been 14 months
Yes they know my name, where I work, what I do, my number once I’m comfortable I can trust them
Expensive FWB - some of them have become FWB over time with no PPM.
Paranoid - perhaps you are. Perhaps you have had some terrible experiences? Or perhaps you only see disaster. Perhaps your posture is holding you back. No judgement from me either. I’m happy with this life.

[DrBean]

Punting should make you happy.
I don’t think SBs will make you happy though.

[andrewv]

Since noone else is discussing the potential risks of sugar baby relationships I spent a very short time on Google (5 minutes):

Can you be 100% sure your SB isn’t married and the husband might do you some harm? (Horny SB problem)

Could your SB could be pregnant already and tell you it’s yours. At least ten different ways this can disrupt your life (pregnant and desperate SB problem)

A sugar daddy picked up the entire flora and fauna from a sugar babe and gave it to his fiancee. Sex without a condom is the norm with a SB (diseased SB with no safe sex practised problem). If you are paying $500-1000 for a friends with expensive benefits arrangement, you are not going to be using condoms, right?

https://onlineforlove.com/sugar-daddy-horror-stories/

Let's talk about alternatives to punting, but don't just present 1 side to it

Meanwhile a punt with a WL at Ginza or N5M or any shop, you get great sex and the WL has no knowledge of your real name, your job, your car licence number or your personal details

It is clear from your risk analysis that sugarbabies are not a good option for you, which is fine. But many of us are OK with it and there is room for everyone to take or avoid whatever risks they like. No real need to do a PhD on the subject. No hard feelings. Let's move on.

[Jacxz7]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

Depends, how old are you?

What sort of pictures do you have on your profile?

What sort of bio do you have on your profile?

Are you asking them the ppm amount straight off the bat on the platform itself or are you inviting them out for a drink in person and discussing in person?

[Aussieguyinsf]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

Yes, that’s very much my experience. I’ve met a couple of hot ABCs and they want $800-$1000 like the Caucasians

[curiousgeorge1023]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

Let's start with what kind of profile you are looking for? If you are messaging SB's with Victoria Secret /model looks, forget it. There's a plethora of options though, you just need to ' widen ' your search parameters.

[Jacxz7]

Yes, that’s very much my experience. I’ve met a couple of hot ABCs and they want $800-$1000 like the Caucasians
I did get a few successes, but the trick is I need to have dinner with them first. Build the connection, and ask “what do you think our next step will be?” Then they opening around $500-600 for 3-4hours ppm, which I can negotiate down.

The thing is not everyone want dinner, some of them want to straight to the room

[Putter]

So you give them $300 to accompany you for dinner?

[ditchtheboss]

I never pay for dinner, I always get to business straight away

[Jacxz7]

So you give them $300 to accompany you for dinner?
Nope, I didn’t pay them for dinner and never will. What I’m saying is I can negotiate the price down for caucassian girls using dinner as entry point.

Normally without dinner, they quote $800-1000. But if I invited them to dinner, sweet talk, sell them the dreams, then asked the price tag, they usually quoted $600-800. At this stage, I can bring down to around $500 ppm, 3 - 4 hours.

Please re-read again my post for full context

[Aussieguyinsf]

“I will consider having a coffee date if you can gift me 300 as I get asked to go on dates on a regular basis. For me to take you seriously I will need to be taken care of right from the beginning x”

[thelastdance]

Nope, I didn’t pay them for dinner and never will. What I’m saying is I can negotiate the price down for caucassian girls using dinner as entry point.

Normally without dinner, they quote $800-1000. But if I invited them to dinner, sweet talk, sell them the dreams, then asked the price tag, they usually quoted $600-800. At this stage, I can bring down to around $500 ppm, 3 - 4 hours.

Please re-read again my post for full context

I agree with this approach. I use it too. Works well rather than just treating them like escorts.

[warwick1]

If you pay for it they are just hookers.....Not that there's anything wrong with that........

[Jacxz7]

“I will consider having a coffee date if you can gift me 300 as I get asked to go on dates on a regular basis. For me to take you seriously I will need to be taken care of right from the beginning x”
I got one like this couple weeks ago. My response to her is “good luck, trust me you will need it. You will face way more rejection than daddies saying yes. Think again, in sugarbabies world Daddy have more power, money, and options to choose other girls than you. So when you grow old and wrinkles, when you thinking all the time you have wasted, asked your self a question why I only got 1 yes for every blue moon”.

After 3 weeks, that same girl now messages me on daily basis.

[Riff888]

Looks like Greyyes21 is back in SA.

Don't be taken in by her photos, she's a lot bigger than that when I saw her last year.

Very standard sex, can probably get her at $400.

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[Putter]

Nice.

I did try a few who asked for low amounts, eg $50, for company during dinner, when i’m interstate. It’s then a negotiation, exactly like what you said. Melb has nice Asians and Brisbane/GC has nice blondes. I can’t do this in sydney as it’s difficult organising a room during a meet. Dayuse doesn’t have many options for pre-midnight trysts.

There are those who ask for $300 just for their time to meet you for drinks/dinner. Once they quote it, i ignore them. They’re in it for the money so chances are there will be a list of charges for all the options once you get into the bedroom!

Then there are the ingenious scammers, especially those who want a deposit upfront. Most of us have enough experience to spot these scammers.


Nope, I didn’t pay them for dinner and never will. What I’m saying is I can negotiate the price down for caucassian girls using dinner as entry point.

Normally without dinner, they quote $800-1000. But if I invited them to dinner, sweet talk, sell them the dreams, then asked the price tag, they usually quoted $600-800. At this stage, I can bring down to around $500 ppm, 3 - 4 hours.

Please re-read again my post for full context

[Bigdog22]

What’s everyone’s experience with sugardaddy.com.au ? Don’t particularly want to spend $59US just to read some messages. The girls look cute though.

[bradpitt]

Might be slightly off-topic but has anyone done any arrangements overseas? I checked out the market for Japan due to an upcoming trip and I was super disappointed just to see tourist/non natives & basically zero Japanese people.
SA just might be no good for Japan is there any better alternatives for that type of things over there?

I had great success with Seeking SB for an overseas trip. Some girls in my destination didn't want to know a visitor but some girls were interested. Whittled down to a shortlist of three. The first girl met me on a Friday afternoon after her office job. We had after work drinks, I made a pretence we should go back to my room, get changed and go out for dinner. We had sex that time, she stayed the night, toured me around for the weekend and eventually she hobbled to work on Tuesday morning.

If I was heading to Japan I would definitely make some investment in time to chat prospect SBs. Just take the time to find the ones that are excited to meet some exotic Aussie and she will place novelty value on that. If they don't trigger to you, just move on.

[Miclop]

“I will consider having a coffee date if you can gift me 300 as I get asked to go on dates on a regular basis. For me to take you seriously I will need to be taken care of right from the beginning x”

Easy reply...
Good luck, as I don't get the feeling you will be mutually focused on taking care of me the way you're talking.
Next....

[ColesBag]

No wonder I fuck W/L's & M/L's. The effort that goes into this is unbelievable. Fair play to you blokes for putting in the hard yards.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

No wonder I fuck W/L's & M/L's. The effort that goes into this is unbelievable. Fair play to you blokes for putting in the hard yards.

When you get to fuck a young 18-23 Uni student with BBFS, with no clock timer who seems to genuinely enjoy the sex and giving you pleasure, it makes the chase worthwhile

[ditchtheboss]

No wonder I fuck W/L's & M/L's. The effort that goes into this is unbelievable. Fair play to you blokes for putting in the hard yards.

No, none of that is required. I have SBs and duck them for hours. We have meals together and don’t pay more for that.

[thelastdance]

No, none of that is required. I have SBs and duck them for hours.

Do they like that?

[ditchtheboss]

Do they like that?

Duck them? Just noticed the typo.

Each to your own, the experience you get with SBs is not comparable to what you get in the brothel with the WLs.

No buzzer, much longer intimacy time and if you get along with her you wine and dine for no extra cost if that’s your thing. I get photos and messages throughout the week and sometimes even a quickie during the week for no extra money when I saw her already in the same week.

It’s what you make of it with the girl and how you get along. Treat them well and you can get a quasi FWB experience with a bit of money involved for sure.

SBs are not cheap though, not expensive as a wife and not as cheap as the brothel. If you are cheap forget it in my opinion

[GoldfishMan]

Duck them? Just noticed the typo.

Each to your own, the experience you get with SBs is not comparable to what you get in the brothel with the WLs.

No buzzer, much longer intimacy time and if you get along with her you wine and dine for no extra cost if that’s your thing. I get photos and messages throughout the week and sometimes even a quickie during the week for no extra money when I saw her already in the same week.

It’s what you make of it with the girl and how you get along. Treat them well and you can get a quasi FWB experience with a bit of money involved for sure.

SBs are not cheap though, not expensive as a wife and not as cheap as the brothel. If you are cheap forget it in my opinion

More expensive depending on your situation and how close you want to let the SB get to you. Eg. You're single, have your own place, and you don't mind having her over at your place. Then it could turn out to be cheaper than going to brothels. It could also quickly become just a normal relationship, though.

[ditchtheboss]

More expensive depending on your situation and how close you want to let the SB get to you. Eg. You're single, have your own place, and you don't mind having her over at your place. Then it could turn out to be cheaper than going to brothels. It could also quickly become just a normal relationship, though.

You are absolutely right. I don’t bring them to my place as I once had an unexpected visitor on a Saturday night asking for a place to stay. Plenty of SBs are happy to host and if not it is easy to get a room.

[sukeong]

SBs are not cheap though, not expensive as a wife and not as cheap as the brothel. If you are cheap forget it in my opinion

Wouldnt that depend on your punting habit and the specific arrangement you set with your SB? I mean if someone goes to brothel few times a week, thats about $$250-300 per hr multiply afew times. Someone mentioned paying SB about $300 per meet for 3-4hr. If you can have that arrangement, then SB works out to be better in this case.

[DrBean]

If price / time equation is your biggest focus then you should not be thinking about SBs

[andrewv]

Looks like Greyyes21 is back in SA.

Don't be taken in by her photos, she's a lot bigger than that when I saw her last year.

Very standard sex, can probably get her at $400.

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Greyyes21 has been on seeking since August 2017. That’s a long run of 5.5 years 😳 She can’t be too smart because most long-term SBs tend to cancel their old profiles and start new ones to stay ‘fresh’ looking for paying sugar daddies!!!

[thelastdance]

She’s short and large and average sex for 400?

Did you sleep with her?

[Aussieguyinsf]

Anyone heard from Jiyen recently? Dm me if you have.

[Joe1956]

Hi guys, has anyone got an AR on Jaimea1017 off SB? Just wondering how she performs

[Aussieguyinsf]

25% off Seeking Arrangement for St Patrick’s Day

Also looking for intel on WarmLover, Ocean, SBinSYD, Miko, TaylorS, Ash22xo, Leah and Jiyen. Please dm me.

[andrewv]

25% off Seeking Arrangement for St Patrick’s Day

Also looking for intel on WarmLover, Ocean, SBinSYD, Miko, TaylorS, Ash22xo, Leah and Jiyen. Please dm me.

WarmLover has not been on seeking since September 23,2022 so chances are she is not accessing it anymore. Also, she is in Byron Bay.
Ocean is 53 years old. Is that something you want??
Ash22xo: I have been in touch with her, but decided not to meet her when she was getting to fussy and demanding on kik.
Leah: isn't "slim" as she described herself.
Miko: seems a good sort. I haven't contacted her yet.

Please update us on your experience with them.

[Frederic]

25% off Seeking Arrangement for St Patrick’s Day

Also looking for intel on WarmLover, Ocean, SBinSYD, Miko, TaylorS, Ash22xo, Leah and Jiyen. Please dm me.

Some of those come up in google searches

[Bobbyvxxxx]

25% off Seeking Arrangement for St Patrick’s Day

Also looking for intel on WarmLover, Ocean, SBinSYD, Miko, TaylorS, Ash22xo, Leah and Jiyen. Please dm me.

I don't have the ability to send you a DM, but i have seen "M***" for a sex meet,

it was earlier said in this thread not to mention the SA usernames so i don't want to break any rules

[Aussieguyinsf]

I don't have the ability to send you a DM, but i have seen "M***" for a sex meet,

it was earlier said in this thread not to mention the SA usernames so i don't want to break any rules

How was it? let us know.

[Joe1956]

Why aren’t we using their SA names?
Strange

[Frederic]

Some guys got banned for talking about them I think

[Riff888]

Some guys got banned for talking about them I thinkOh you sound like Benny [emoji23]

No big deal sharing usernames, just check how many posts have shared SA usernames before.

People get banned for trying to promote another useless forum where you have to pay for full access.

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[Frederic]

Yeah this is the stuff that happens and its always you who starts this thing about Benny and everyone being him if they don't agree with you

Maybe you need to lay off the strong stuff? you seem very insecure.

[Riff888]

Yeah this is the stuff that happens and its always you who starts this thing about Benny and everyone being him if they don't agree with you

Maybe you need to lay off the strong stuff? you seem very insecure.Just stop spreading false news and fear mongering about this forum.

Doing this makes you sound like Benny. Big difference between sounding like and is someone.

Can you see usernames in this thread? Are those forum members who shared them still active?

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[Frederic]

Mate get off your high horse.
I’m not your employee and you’re not god.
I did not ask your opinion.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

How was it? let us know.

I don't yet have the ability to send you a DM about the experience with M

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Oh you sound like Benny [emoji23]

No big deal sharing usernames, just check how many posts have shared SA usernames before.

People get banned for trying to promote another useless forum where you have to pay for full access.

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To each their own, but how exactly do people view other peoples after reports of Sugarbabes on this forum

Or do we all just go around in circles and do a circle jerk and talk shit about each other?

Sorry, it's my first time here, just trying to find out how to see people's after reports of Sugarbabes on this forum?

[Frederic]

Oh you must be Benny in a new profile.
Wait for the pile on mate.
Or even worse - it will be a conspiracy that you and I are the same people pretending to talk to each other.
Reddit thread is better

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Oh you must be Benny in a new profile.
Wait for the pile on mate.
Or even worse - it will be a conspiracy that you and I are the same people pretending to talk to each other.
Reddit thread is better

No idea who this benny bloke is or what he did,

I'm just here trying to see if there are any after reports of sugarbabes on this forum which i don't think there is

Which Reddit thread is it exactly?

[Frederic]

I did not realize they let girls on this forum.

You seem like a natural cunt.

[GoldfishMan]

Oh you must be Benny in a new profile.
Wait for the pile on mate.
Or even worse - it will be a conspiracy that you and I are the same people pretending to talk to each other.
Reddit thread is better

You're taking all of it too seriously, bro. Chill out. Look at the first post riff said you sounded like Benny. It was not a serious accusation at all.

[Frederic]

It seems to be standard practice on this topic to treat people like shit. Maybe talk to your mates about not being dickheads in the first place, rather than make excuses for them. Great way to make new members feel welcome.

[kiddoh]

Have there been any pricing reduction in seeking arrangement. Appreciate any help from those who have subscribed this month.

It’s showing as 19.99 USD for premium sub.

[Frederic]

Yes. And you are still a cunt.
Any further penetrating glimpses of the obvious?

[Frederic]

Not just a cunt, a squirter too.

[Joe1956]

Back on track, ARs appreciated. Any info is good info

[andrewv]

Keep punching up..you'll make it rain one day...

Gents, could we please stay on topic and not throw stones at each other.
This thread is about intelligence on sugarbabies out there. We need to help each other out because these girls are also comparing notes on the sugardaddies that contact them.

I have even found a podcast setup by an American sugarbaby interviewing others and discussing how they can trick us men to pay them higher amounts.

As many of you know, one of their many tactics is when you ask them what amount they're looking for, many of them reply "In my last arrangement I was getting $1000 a week" or such high baseline. One girls said she was getting $2,500 a week "allowance" from one daddy. My reply was "Wow, if it was so good, why did you stop, because $2,500 a week is $130,000 a year he needs to make net after tax, and before tax that would be at least $175,000.... unless of course he is a drug dealer."

Let's stay on topic, help each other compare notes and fight back the tricks and scams these girls use to milk us of cash.

[DrBean]

Could you share the podcast details please AndrewV.

Many of those commenting here do not even have arrangements. Unfortunately there isn’t much moderation of behaviour.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

How exactly do people share intelligence of their past experiences with SB's on this forum, is it via DM on directly on this thread?

[DrBean]

If this is how they treat each other, just imagine how they will treat the girls you recommend.

[Aussieguyinsf]

All - feel free to dm me to exchange intel.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

If this is how they treat each other, just imagine how they will treat the girls you recommend.

Yes, that's a great point

[curiousgeorge1023]

Have there been any pricing reduction in seeking arrangement. Appreciate any help from those who have subscribed this month.

It’s showing as 19.99 USD for premium sub.

Mate dont pay for that. Its for Sugar babies to be premium. Make sure you sign up as ' Attractive member ' There was a 20% discount for St Pat's day. You should be paying no less than $100 for an attractive Premium Member ' anything less means you are paying for the WRONG subscription. This happened to me last year so from experience.

[curiousgeorge1023]

Back on track, ARs appreciated. Any info is good info

AR's for Sugar Babies are rare in this forum. I reckon because its highly subjective to so many variables. What you can gather here though are ' strategy model ' on how you should approach your first contact with your prospect if you are lucky enough to siff thru all the bickering.

[kiddoh]

Mate dont pay for that. Its for Sugar babies to be premium. Make sure you sign up as ' Attractive member ' There was a 20% discount for St Pat's day. You should be paying no less than $100 for an attractive Premium Member ' anything less means you are paying for the WRONG subscription. This happened to me last year so from experience.

Thanks Mate.. Appreciate that! Will get a new login and sub accordingly.

[DrBean]

Mate dont pay for that. Its for Sugar babies to be premium. Make sure you sign up as ' Attractive member '

Ahh no.

That 100% the wrong advice.

DO NOT sign up as an attractive member - that will mean you sign up as a Sugarbabe.

You need to sign up as a SUCCESSFUL member (sugar daddy)

[andrewv]

If any of you fellow punters are interested in reading how SB's compare notes and teach each other how to deal with us SD's, you can see examples on Reddit here https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/ You will need to setup a free login to access it.

The girls teach one another how to squeeze us men for cash and so on, which is why we men need to compare our own intelligence on the ones we connect with.

[Aussieguyinsf]

If any of you fellow punters are interested in reading how SB's compare notes and teach each other how to deal with us SD's, you can see examples on Reddit here https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/ You will need to setup a free login to access it.

The girls teach one another how to squeeze us men for cash and so on, which is why we men need to compare our own intelligence on the ones we connect with.

Agree. My dm is open.

[andrewv]

Seeking dot com has a 25% off promotion now.

[Frederic]

If any of you fellow punters are interested in reading how SB's compare notes and teach each other how to deal with us SD's, you can see examples on Reddit here https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/ You will need to setup a free login to access it.

The girls teach one another how to squeeze us men for cash and so on, which is why we men need to compare our own intelligence on the ones we connect with.

It's full of femcels that thread.
A good insight into the girls to avoid.
Also it's 99% US complaining types. Thankfully not focused on Australia

[Frederic]

Why I avoid the really young ones. No u21 for me.
https://7news.com.au/news/education/queensland-teachers-suspension-over-inappropriate-relationship-with-15-year-old-he-met-on-sugar-daddy-website-upheld-c-9574929

[curiousgeorge1023]

Ahh no.

That 100% the wrong advice.

DO NOT sign up as an attractive member - that will mean you sign up as a Sugarbabe.

You need to sign up as a SUCCESSFUL member (sugar daddy)


I swear to God I did this myself and put successful member and I can only see a handful of sugarbabies on my search, In my experience I had to ask to change from a successful Premium member to an attractive premium member. But by all means try DrBean's advise. Mine is by experience, dont know if his is the same.

[Jacxz7]

If any of you fellow punters are interested in reading how SB's compare notes and teach each other how to deal with us SD's, you can see examples on Reddit here https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/ You will need to setup a free login to access it.

The girls teach one another how to squeeze us men for cash and so on, which is why we men need to compare our own intelligence on the ones we connect with.

Just an idea to create a list of SB with their bad attitudes (Ghosting/not showing, different people showed up vs photo, trans pretending to be girls, etc). I certainly maintain that list personally, it will be great if we can combine into a single database

[andrewv]

Your list would be extremely valuable but am not sure how it can be shared. Maybe we need to setup a fresh thread here because this one is very long and general in nature.

[DrBean]

I swear to God I did this myself and put successful member and I can only see a handful of sugarbabies on my search, In my experience I had to ask to change from a successful Premium member to an attractive premium member. But by all means try DrBean's advise. Mine is by experience, dont know if his is the same.

Nomenclature on the Seeking website

Attractive members - Sugarbabes
Successful members - Sugar Daddies

The coding is absolute.

[curiousgeorge1023]

Nomenclature on the Seeking website

Attractive members - Sugarbabes
Successful members - Sugar Daddies

The coding is absolute.

Ok, I stand corrected.

[kiddoh]

Ok, I stand corrected.

Thanks guys! Appreciate it!

[thelastdance]

Does anyone have a discount code for seeking. I keep getting the 20% off one. But I hear there is 30% or more?

[Aussieguyinsf]

I have a sugarbaby who swings. Anyone else want to meet up with us on Friday night to play with us? She is a South East Asian vixen. Important: don’t tell the girls the others are sbs. Dm me.

[kiddoh]

I have a sugarbaby who swings. Anyone else want to meet up with us on Friday night to play with us? She is a South East Asian vixen. Important: don’t tell the girls the others are sbs. Dm me.

Looking forward to know how it went.....

[Max69hard2]

What happened to Lilith’s lips?? She looks horrific!

[Joe1956]

Dinara1 on Secret Benefits. Anyone tried?
Looks good

[abovetherim]

Isn’t a secret benefits loaded with fake sbs?

[DrBean]

Only if you don’t know how to pick them

[Joe1956]

Obviously you haven’t even looked there

[DrBean]

Comment withdrawn.

[DrBean]

Comment withdrawn

[Bobbyvxxxx]

I think Joe was responding the abovetherim by the looks of it

[Joe1956]

Replied to abovetherim’s fake comment.
SB is as good as it gets ATM though expensive if not used with caution.
Best tip I’ve got for you is let them come to you. Be patient.
Enough said

[DrBean]

Fair enough. I apologize to Joe and withdraw my comment. I thought it was directed at me.

[DrBean]

And yes Secret Benefits is an effective channel if you know what you are doing

[DrBean]

To finish that Secret Benefits comment. Met a lovely Italian digital marketing professional off Secret Benefits recently. Late twenties and slim with nice curves. Needs support for her mortgage after long term boyfriend moved out. I’m preferring the quality on SB these days compared to other platforms.

[Riff888]

Has anyone seen HonestDiva? It's not her first profile, I just can't remember her other username.

Super sexy and tall.

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[Frederic]

She was on the site for about an hour then got cold feet

[Riff888]

She was on the site for about an hour then got cold feetShe looks like a Taiwanese girl I saw from Burwood.

Her previous account was a premium membership.

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[Frederic]

I skated around the country looking for someone else I remember with that name. The site suggests names for the girls when they join which is why they can sound similiar.

There is a girl with the same name in Melbourne it seems, but she isn't someone you would want to sleep with for money.

[Frederic]

To finish that Secret Benefits comment. Met a lovely Italian digital marketing professional off Secret Benefits recently. Late twenties and slim with nice curves. Needs support for her mortgage after long term boyfriend moved out. I’m preferring the quality on SB these days compared to other platforms.

I have been on and off that site. I like the video functionality

[Aussieguyinsf]

Taking my shit show on the road. What are realistic ppms for Jakarta and Auckland? Feel free to share any gems from these cities too.

[andrewv]

Has anyone seen HonestDiva? It's not her first profile, I just can't remember her other username.

Super sexy and tall.

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She has not been on the site since March 8, and you will notice she was logged in from the USA. I know many people use VPN but not many in Australia select to route their traffic (using VPN) through the U.S.

[Riff888]

Taking my shit show on the road. What are realistic ppms for Jakarta and Auckland? Feel free to share any gems from these cities too.You won't even need SA.

Even Indian expats are treated like kings in Jakarta.

Just go to a club where the expats hang out and they'll throw themselves at you.

Like, blowjobs in the back alley type action.

I didn't realise Jakarta is so wild.

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[Riff888]

She has not been on the site since March 8, and you will notice she was logged in from the USA. I know many people use VPN but not many in Australia select to route their traffic (using VPN) through the U.S.She had a different profile before.

I'm not sure if she's still in Australia.

She was due to complete her law degree in February this year.

She was looking to hookup with someone for a partner visa.

I can't get through to her on her Aussie phone number but I do have her Line details.

The best legs but way too much make up and big eyelash extensions.

I think she has a son back home.

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[Bobbyvxxxx]

I have recently joined the other forum called TNT and gained access all the way to their marketed "holy grail" BBFS SB forums,

my views are that yes indeed it is the only forum where you can find intel and actual after reports on Sugarbabes with their usernames as well as actionable practical hints and tips on the SB scene, it is however heavily dominated by the Melbourne market in terms of the number of reviews as well as the members are mainly Melbourne based,

just my opinion,

i think it's important we are realistic with what it is and is not instead of overhyping it like has been mentioned earlier in this thread

[Aussieguyinsf]

Met a 30s filo sugarbaby today at 1130 for a Korean lunch. sex from 1 - 4pm in hotel. $400 damage. Going back to same room tomorrow with a 25 year old jap sb. Late check out till 2pm then $20 per hour after. Overall satisfied value with sbs is better than brothels.

[DrBean]

Value with SBs is better value full stop! I'm finding really good quality options interstate as well. If you are looking for cheap fucks and one offs, then don't waste your time. But if you enjoy long sessions, the dating aspects and hanging out as well as fucking a lot, then go for it.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Agree with previous comments regarding sugarbabes, just have to ask yourself what you are looking for

I think I know who the 30s filo sugarbaby is hahahha, username starts with Exp

The 25 year old jap SB I think I also know

[Aussieguyinsf]

Met a 30s filo sugarbaby today at 1130 for a Korean lunch. sex from 1 - 4pm in hotel. $400 damage. Going back to same room tomorrow with a 25 year old jap sb. Late check out till 2pm then $20 per hour after. Overall satisfied value with sbs is better than brothels.

Ramen with Jap girl then back to the hotel for threee rounds. Hotel was nice enough to make bed, replace towels and empty bins so she had no idea I’d had a go the day before. Checked out drained at 4pm. Paid $40 for late checkout.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

21 YO Mixed Asian/Aussie, Eurasian looks, username is S*********l, Model type body and looks, 157 CM, Size 6, BBFS, CIP, multiple rounds, roughly 2 hours at my place, pretty sure shes an experienced SB, but sex was enjoyable with a pretty young thang so i'm happy, $500

[refokkused]

21 YO Mixed Asian/Aussie, Eurasian looks, username is S*********l, Model type body and looks, 157 CM, Size 6, BBFS, CIP, multiple rounds, roughly 2 hours at my place, pretty sure shes an experienced SB, but sex was enjoyable with a pretty young thang so i'm happy, $500

which site? seeking or secretB?

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Seeking, shes online most days, you'll know who it is if you connect the dots, and don't DM me asking for free info if you have nothing to provide in return, considering there is absolutely NO after reports of SB on here, and whatever info there is is next to useless

[Johnisfun1969]

Ramen with Jap girl then back to the hotel for threee rounds. Hotel was nice enough to make bed, replace towels and empty bins so she had no idea I’d had a go the day before. Checked out drained at 4pm. Paid $40 for late checkout.

Thats a sign of a good weekend mate well done. I was in Brisbane last week and had been chatting up 4 girls. Met the two hotter-looking girls. One was 5' 10" tall with red hair the other medium but with enhanced C cups just the right size that fits in my palm. I think I am enjoying this lifestyle. Now got to get ways of making extra income.

[Johnisfun1969]

Ramen with Jap girl then back to the hotel for threee rounds. Hotel was nice enough to make bed, replace towels and empty bins so she had no idea I’d had a go the day before. Checked out drained at 4pm. Paid $40 for late checkout.

Thats a sign of a good weekend mate well done. I was in Brisbane last week and had been chatting up 4 girls. Met a the two hotter-looking girls. I think I am enjoying this lifestyle. Now got to get ways of making extra income.

[Frederic]

Thats a sign of a good weekend mate well done. I was in Brisbane last week and had been chatting up 4 girls. Met the two hotter-looking girls. One was 5' 10" tall with red hair the other medium but with enhanced C cups just the right size that fits in my palm. I think I am enjoying this lifestyle. Now got to get ways of making extra income.

Or manage the pricing longer term if you can?

[andrewv]

Seeking, shes online most days, you'll know who it is if you connect the dots, and don't DM me asking for free info if you have nothing to provide in return, considering there is absolutely NO after reports of SB on here, and whatever info there is is next to useless

I connected the dots but there is no profile that matches the connected dots. Are you sure its S*********l, 157 cm and 21 yo.... !!!

[Bobbyvxxxx]

My mistake, 154 cm, everything else remains same

[Rookiestones]

21 YO Mixed Asian/Aussie, Eurasian looks, username is S*********l, Model type body and looks, 157 CM, Size 6, BBFS, CIP, multiple rounds, roughly 2 hours at my place, pretty sure shes an experienced SB, but sex was enjoyable with a pretty young thang so i'm happy, $500

Sounds like a solid session. How long was the lead time from first contact to sex meet Bobby? And did you meet for coffee or anything like that before the deed?

[andrewv]

My mistake, 154 cm, everything else remains same

Wow, she looks hot. Are the photos recent, and is she natural or enhanced?

You scored well, friend.

[DrBean]

More cryptic than punter planet reviews. "At the back of the green hedge behind the police station on the Hill with a cross" kinda thing ������

[Bobbyvxxxx]

ok thanks Benny

[Bobbyvxxxx]

More cryptic than punter planet reviews. "At the back of the green hedge behind the police station on the Hill with a cross" kinda thing ������

OK thanks Benny,

were you not the same person who said not to DOXX the girls usernames on a public forum? Or perhaps it was Benny #1,2,3 or 4 or whichever myriad of your other profiles?

[Aussieguyinsf]

Please be careful flaming each other on this thread. It’s heavily moderated. Intel only please.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Quick pre meet before sex,

Message on SA, got her whatsapp, organizing day and time, meet for coffee about 30 mins or so, i liked what i saw, we're both comfortable with each other, then back to mine

Balinese Aussie girl, nice tan skin, natural B cup tits, long hair, shes kinda submissive so i had to lead the way but i like that

Shes been a SB for about a year now

[DrBean]

Haha. Here we go again.

If you are living under a rock and have never read a punter planet review then you won’t know what I mean. Am I really having to explain the joke ?

Chill out Bobby - not everything in here is a personal attack. We can leave that for the genuine trolls that swing by once in a while and hate on sugardaddies.

Well done on snagging this one

[Evan_]

All - feel free to dm me to exchange intel.

Recent lurker now new member here.

Can't seem to find the DM function on the forum - could it be because I do not have enough privileges (ie not contributing more etc)?

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Recent lurker now new member here.

Can't seem to find the DM function on the forum - could it be because I do not have enough privileges (ie not contributing more etc)?

Yeah, need to write 5 posts/comments on threads then you can DM

[Putter]

21 YO Mixed Asian/Aussie, Eurasian looks, username is S*********l, Model type body and looks, 157 CM, Size 6, BBFS, CIP, multiple rounds, roughly 2 hours at my place, pretty sure shes an experienced SB, but sex was enjoyable with a pretty young thang so i'm happy, $500

So the pics were real?

You definitely scored well there!

I had one who got me to do a paternity test a few years back but it wasn’t mine.

It was her bf who was clueless

[Bobbyvxxxx]

So the pics were real?

You definitely scored well there!

I had one who got me to do a paternity test a few years back but it wasn’t mine.

It was her bf who was clueless

Yeah pics are her

I ask the girls beforehand whether i can cum inside or not, they will tell you either yes or no depending on whether they are on BC or not

[floppydick]

Yeah pics are her

I ask the girls beforehand whether i can cum inside or not, they will tell you either yes or no depending on whether they are on BC or not

they might say no, but funny how in the heat of the moment many will change their mind and say don't pull out, i want you to cum inside.

[MegaMonger]

The BBFS forum...how much did that cost Bobby...and was the intel worth the price of admission? How about SmokingGnu's book? Did you give that a look? I never bought it, always figured it was noobs or people who lavked their own ability to change their approach/style.

[newperson123]

Have been reading all the stories here and it got me inspired.

Recently met up with an Asian wl in her mid 20s who is quite new to the industry. Probably one of the most intimate sessions I've had. We ended up agreeing to meet outside and have had 1 session so far for $500. Pretty steep but the session was about 3 to 4 hours at a hotel I booked. During that session she tells me that she doesn't wanna go back as a WL. Biggest surprise for me was she suggested that she wants to keep seeing me and she doesn't expect payment and that 'i can visit her at her place instead of wasting money on a hotel' - her exact words. Feeling pretty lucky at this stage but I'll see how it goes and thanks for the stories on this thread which helped me get into this situation in the first place.

[Frederic]

The BBFS forum...how much did that cost Bobby...and was the intel worth the price of admission? How about SmokingGnu's book? Did you give that a look? I never bought it, always figured it was noobs or people who lavked their own ability to change their approach/style.

He got banned. Their site has the stats on how many reports on SBs are in the BB forum. Just go read it - or join it if that is what you want. We don’t talk about other sites here.

[Frederic]

Have been reading all the stories here and it got me inspired.

Recently met up with an Asian wl in her mid 20s who is quite new to the industry. Probably one of the most intimate sessions I've had. We ended up agreeing to meet outside and have had 1 session so far for $500. Pretty steep but the session was about 3 to 4 hours at a hotel I booked. During that session she tells me that she doesn't wanna go back as a WL. Biggest surprise for me was she suggested that she wants to keep seeing me and she doesn't expect payment and that 'i can visit her at her place instead of wasting money on a hotel' - her exact words. Feeling pretty lucky at this stage but I'll see how it goes and thanks for the stories on this thread which helped me get into this situation in the first place.

Nice one. Did you meet her through the shop and then take her private or did you find her on Seeking?

If she doesn’t want money then what does she want - a relationship? They always want something./

[MegaMonger]

Heya Frederic...I am not shocked that he was banned...i actually think that he was TheSmokingGnu...one of the admins at TNT and the bloke who wrote the book i mentioned. I was just trying to get him to admit it. I think that pimping your site on another site is one thing...but doing it under an alias and pretending that you have no vested interest is snakey as fuck. Anyway...back to regular discourse now that my Sherlock Holmes style investigation is over.

[andrewv]

Have been reading all the stories here and it got me inspired.

Recently met up with an Asian wl in her mid 20s who is quite new to the industry. Probably one of the most intimate sessions I've had. We ended up agreeing to meet outside and have had 1 session so far for $500. Pretty steep but the session was about 3 to 4 hours at a hotel I booked. During that session she tells me that she doesn't wanna go back as a WL. Biggest surprise for me was she suggested that she wants to keep seeing me and she doesn't expect payment and that 'i can visit her at her place instead of wasting money on a hotel' - her exact words. Feeling pretty lucky at this stage but I'll see how it goes and thanks for the stories on this thread which helped me get into this situation in the first place.

If "she doesn't expect payment" then how is she going to financially survive? See other punters or work for $27 an hour at MacDonalds?

[thelastdance]

If it’s a WL she will just get pregnant. She isn’t working in a shop any more and she isn’t taking money from him. Easiest way to make a buck is to make him pay for her kid.