Sugarbabes - Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast markets

[newperson123]

Yeah she's pretty careful i.e. always wants condom and practice safe sex so I'm not gonna get her pregnant anytime soon. I've seen her twice since and it was just non stop sex for 2 hours each time and no payment. Still sussing out what she's after but so far it's been awesome. Backstory is she tried the WL thing for 1 day, I was her first customer ever and we exchanged contact details after that first sesh. She said she was ultimately just curious but didn't want to pursue it any further. As for money it doesn't seem like she's struggling or anything as I've visited her place and she lives alone and self supporting. So yeah hit the jackpot for sure although I hope to take it slow

[refokkused]

If "she doesn't expect payment" then how is she going to financially survive? See other punters or work for $27 an hour at MacDonalds?

Maccas pays $27 an hour? Fuck I'd work there if i was unemployed!

[pysterio]

Have been reading all the stories here and it got me inspired.

Recently met up with an Asian wl in her mid 20s who is quite new to the industry. Probably one of the most intimate sessions I've had. We ended up agreeing to meet outside and have had 1 session so far for $500. Pretty steep but the session was about 3 to 4 hours at a hotel I booked. During that session she tells me that she doesn't wanna go back as a WL. Biggest surprise for me was she suggested that she wants to keep seeing me and she doesn't expect payment and that 'i can visit her at her place instead of wasting money on a hotel' - her exact words. Feeling pretty lucky at this stage but I'll see how it goes and thanks for the stories on this thread which helped me get into this situation in the first place.


Good to hear but also be careful bro
There are other stories on this forum that long term they do ask for marriage or are already married and need money or something … it’s just a money game to them

[thelastdance]

Anyone else try this site? Having some chats that seem legit

https://sugarbabies.co/

[Joe1956]

Cost and is it per message or monthly?

[thelastdance]

USD30 a month
Or 75 for 3 months
I took the 75 option.
Going to work in Germany for a month so trying this.

[MurrayBallz]

Cost and is it per message or monthly?

US$40/month. Only a handful of babes in my search compared to mobs in seeking

[MurrayBallz]

I*******belle.
After a brief chat on the seeking website, and a few texts I met up with ***Belle last week. She hosted in a private house, west. Gorgeous face, great arse/legs, but mummy belly/boobs. Small tatts everywhere.
Stripped and into her bed. She said it was her first time as SB, whatever. Round 1 started with daty which she loved and she came a few times, then I laid back for my turn. Perfect deepthroat boys! I'm nearly 8" but all the way down, no teeth with great suction, lots of slobber and lots of gagging, no tissue breaks. It was sensational and I reckon she would have let me blow but I wanted sex so dommed up and just went for it in mish instead. In hindsight....
I showered then we chatted for about 30min. Somewhere in there her flatmate had a visitor for less than an hour, and after he left she came in and introduced herself, me naked on the bed thinking there might be a 3way about to happen but she was a white girl, and not my type. Then SB's phone started beeping and she said she had to go get her upset daughter from her ex's place soon so she pushed me back and started sucking me again, from soft to hard in seconds, DT this time with even more enthusiasm, then dommed me up and sex in cowgirl, doggy, her on her side, mish, doggy again and finished in lazy dog. I didn't bother having another shower, just got dressed and left, was a bit pissed off Round 3 was off the table. $500/2 hours.

[refokkused]

US$40/month. Only a handful of babes in my search compared to mobs in seeking

I'm assuming this one isn't big (yet) in AU?

[Frederic]

I'm assuming this one isn't big (yet) in AU?

There’s always the next big thing. I’m not sure this one is it yet.

[newperson123]

Good to hear but also be careful bro
There are other stories on this forum that long term they do ask for marriage or are already married and need money or something … it’s just a money game to them

Agree. It's been about 2 weeks since we first met and I've met her a couple of times weekends and weekdays. Usually starts off with a lunch then back to her place for a round or two. No mention of money since. I get the feeling she's supported well by her parents overseas as she's studied in UK AND USA previously which is by no means cheap for anyone. I do get a sense that she's starting to build feelings but I'm trying to keep it casual NSA fun. The NSA part is the best I've ever had so will try to keep it going for as long as possible although I can see it fizzling out eventually

[ditchtheboss]

Agree. It's been about 2 weeks since we first met and I've met her a couple of times weekends and weekdays. Usually starts off with a lunch then back to her place for a round or two. No mention of money since. I get the feeling she's supported well by her parents overseas as she's studied in UK AND USA previously which is by no means cheap for anyone. I do get a sense that she's starting to build feelings but I'm trying to keep it casual NSA fun. The NSA part is the best I've ever had so will try to keep it going for as long as possible although I can see it fizzling out eventually

Good on you but be mindful that it’s all about money for them with very few exceptions. Had a similar experience with a previous SB, amazing sex, hosted me at her place, even spent the night a few times, cooked food for me to take home as I am single and live alone then all of a sudden asked for 10k to pay for visa during one visit.

She appeared very stressed about it, I ignored the request and said that I was leaving because it wasn’t the right time for intimacy. She said no, immediately jumped on top of me and we went from there. The upshot of it was she didn’t need the money but was indeed applying for the visa and tried to get the money anyway.

It’s all about the money.

[Riff888]

Good on you but be mindful that it’s all about money for them with very few exceptions. Had a similar experience with a previous SB, amazing sex, hosted me at her place, even spent the night a few times, cooked food for me to take home as I am single and live alone then all of a sudden asked for 10k to pay for visa during one visit.

She appeared very stressed about it, I ignored the request and said that I was leaving because it wasn’t the right time for intimacy. She said no, immediately jumped on top of me and we went from there. The upshot of it was she didn’t need the money but was indeed applying for the visa and tried to get the money anyway.

It’s all about the money.Wow $10k for a student visa is excessive.

The current 309/820 partner visas are just over $8k, agents then add an additional $3k to $5k on top of this fee.

The key in partner visa is the sponsorship from a partner and it's not that simple. You have to be in a relationship for minimum 12 months. You can bypass this by registering the relationship.

As a sponsor you can only do this twice plus they check the age gap, joint accounts, living arrangements, daily expenses, photos with family and friends on both sides.

It could still take years to go from bridging visa A to TR 820, then another year for PR 800.

Some Thai girls I know have had student visas for over 5 years. I have no idea how they just keep applying for courses, pay the visa and course fees for so long.

I was a sponsor but withdrew.

There is also money to be made by being a sponsor.

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[ditchtheboss]

Wow $10k for a student visa is excessive.

The current 309/820 partner visas are just over $8k, agents then add an additional $3k to $5k on top of this fee.

The key in partner visa is the sponsorship from a partner and it's not that simple. You have to be in a relationship for minimum 12 months. You can bypass this by registering the relationship.

As a sponsor you can only do this twice plus they check the age gap, joint accounts, living arrangements, daily expenses, photos with family and friends on both sides.

It could still take years to go from bridging visa A to TR 820, then another year for PR 800.

Some Thai girls I know have had student visas for over 5 years. I have no idea how they just keep applying for courses, pay the visa and course fees for so long.

I was a sponsor but withdrew.

There is also money to be made by being a sponsor.

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Oh wow, you seem to know a lot about that stuff.

The girl I saw was really doing the visa but she used the situation as an excuse to ask for money. In the end she didn’t need the money at all

[Riff888]

Oh wow, you seem to know a lot about that stuff.

The girl I saw was really doing the visa but she used the situation as an excuse to ask for money. In the end she didn’t need the money at allHahaha yeah unfortunately.

SBs do try to test the waters to see how much they can get. If you did give her $10k, well she would be shopping at Chanel, Cartier or Van Cleef.

This one SB asked me to pay her rent a few times.

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[ditchtheboss]

Hahaha yeah unfortunately.

SBs do try to test the waters to see how much they can get. If you did give her $10k, well she would be shopping at Chanel, Cartier or Van Cleef.

This one SB asked me to pay her rent a few times.

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I have been a stupid/generous SD to a few girls. But nothing like that. I had a SB that in addition to our frequent visits with ppm sometimes she asked if I could see her for intimacy. She never said it but clearly she needed money but nothing more than the usual ppm.

The best SB I had we had great sex, sometimes just went out for a meal to relax, without her asking for money and sometimes we were out together and she went shopping for something small and I offered to pay. Same girl once paid for my parking, paid for a couple of meals.

There are some good ones out there

[Riff888]

I have been a stupid/generous SD to a few girls. But nothing like that. I had a SB that in addition to our frequent visits with ppm sometimes she asked if I could see her for intimacy. She never said it but clearly she needed money but nothing more than the usual ppm.

The best SB I had we had great sex, sometimes just went out for a meal to relax, without her asking for money and sometimes we were out together and she went shopping for something small and I offered to pay. Same girl once paid for my parking, paid for a couple of meals.

There are some good ones out thereDefinitely

The good ones are not on SA for long.

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[20red48]

Just a little advise needed from the exoerts out there. I'm about to meet a potential SB and said she doesn't do intimacy in first date, that's fine with me. When I asked if I still need to give her allowance for this date, she said yes.
Is this normal? I'm relatively new to this environment and would appreciate the answer.

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[ditchtheboss]

Yep, that’s normal to ask for that. I tell them I don’t pay to meet before. Happy to pay for food or coffee but no money to her.

The reason for that is because you can say no and she can also say no. If one of you don’t want to go ahead do you get your money back?

Good luck

[Riff888]

Just a little advise needed from the exoerts out there. I'm about to meet a potential SB and said she doesn't do intimacy in first date, that's fine with me. When I asked if I still need to give her allowance for this date, she said yes.
Is this normal? I'm relatively new to this environment and would appreciate the answer.

Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkMy personal experience is never pay just for a meet up.

Sure, be generous with dinner and drinks just as you would on a first date.

But if she wants money just to meet without sex. That's a red flag, these girls are usually early 20s, very pretty and probably do this a lot.

Don't even pay for her Uber if she asks.

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[Xorro]

Couldn’t agree more Riff888.

I had just one in person meet with a very attractive girl off the Seeking website, a few years ago.
The damage was around 100$ for the restaurant which was fine and then later she asked unexpectedly for 200$ in Uber expenses.
After our meeting, I saw her running in the direction of the train station and that’s when the penny dropped for me :)
That was my first and last experience on Seeking.

@20red48, if she’s asking for an allowance before intimacy, that is as Riff mentioned earlier a red flag and possibly the girl’s ‘business model’.

At the very least, it’s important to set clear expectations about finances before meeting.

[20red48]

Couldn’t agree more Riff888.

I had just one in person meet with a very attractive girl off the Seeking website, a few years ago.
The damage was around 100$ for the restaurant which was fine and then later she asked unexpectedly for 200$ in Uber expenses.
After our meeting, I saw her running in the direction of the train station and that’s when the penny dropped for me :)
That was my first and last experience on Seeking.

@20red48, if she’s asking for an allowance before intimacy, that is as Riff mentioned earlier a red flag and possibly the girl’s ‘business model’.

At the very least, it’s important to set clear expectations about finances before meeting.Thank you everyone! I'm just about to messags her today. Let's see how she reacts, I hope she'd be OK and go ahead with our meet otherwiae, will just keep looking.

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[sid2121]

Is secret benefits a legit website? I haven’t upgraded to premium yet but getting many messages, most likely spam.

If not this, then which website is everyone using?

[MurrayBallz]

Seeking is the go. A few after $ to just meet for dinner but ignore them and you will find some honies

[thelastdance]

Had a meet up with a girl in Stuttgart last night. 21yo Dutch art student here. Had drinks in a local bar and then back to my hotel. Ended up staying the night. Sex was non stop until we passed out in the early hours of the morning. Gave her 300 euro.

[Doc]

I was in SA for few months last year.
Planning to subscribe again. Is it better to create a new account or resubscribe to the old account?


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[justpuntingit]

Is secret benefits a legit website? I haven’t upgraded to premium yet but getting many messages, most likely spam.

If not this, then which website is everyone using?

yeah I was getting tons of messages on Secret benefits without even uploading a photo or having anything on my profile. Figured it was a scam and never put a dollar into it.

[Frederic]

Secret benefits is good if you know how to use it

[Doc]

Secret benefits is good if you know how to use it

Can you elaborate how to use it?

[Johnisfun1969]

I was in SA for few months last year.
Planning to subscribe again. Is it better to create a new account or resubscribe to the old account?


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I would just keep the old account as the girls may look at the joining date and know you know how the system works. It may save time in the back-and-forth messaging.
I even have on my profile I am not looking to meet anyone new. This does not stop the girls from messaging. In fact I get more messages as some girls may think I am a catch.

[andrewv]

I was in SA for few months last year.
Planning to subscribe again. Is it better to create a new account or resubscribe to the old account?


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If you become a paying customer again, you can use the setup page to hide when you joined long ago, and also when you were logged in last time.
I would keep the feature that allows girls to see that you viewed their profiles because some will message you.

Overall, both men and women tend to want to look out for new profiles, which is why many girls on Seeking delete their profiles and then join again using a different name. After a while you can tell from their language and even photos used (even though they post new photos).

[Doc]

If you become a paying customer again, you can use the setup page to hide when you joined long ago, and also when you were logged in last time.
I would keep the feature that allows girls to see that you viewed their profiles because some will message you.

Overall, both men and women tend to want to look out for new profiles, which is why many girls on Seeking delete their profiles and then join again using a different name. After a while you can tell from their language and even photos used (even though they post new photos).Well, that's an interesting insight. So I shall subscribe again however I can hide when I last logged in when I am not subscribed.

However, if I keep the dates when I join SA, others will be aware I am Herr for a while, so perhaps I will get fewer scammers?

People look for new profiles for sure, but so do the scammers. And over the course of months, few girls have blocked my profile. Hence, a new profile can be helpful to restart the whole process. [emoji854]

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[justpuntingit]

Secret benefits is good if you know how to use it

i don't suppose you could enlighten me?

[20red48]

Secret benefits is good if you know how to use itCare to share some tips? I seem to get all the luck in SA but but not on this site. Thanks

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[andrewv]

Well, that's an interesting insight. So I shall subscribe again however I can hide when I last logged in when I am not subscribed.

However, if I keep the dates when I join SA, others will be aware I am Herr for a while, so perhaps I will get fewer scammers?

People look for new profiles for sure, but so do the scammers. And over the course of months, few girls have blocked my profile. Hence, a new profile can be helpful to restart the whole process. [emoji854]

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Dealing with scammers is very simple:
-don’t send anyone money, no matter what they pretend. One girl once asked me for ‘petrol money’ so she can drive down from Port Macquarie to meet me. If she gets $100 from 50 gullible punters that’s $5000 cash for nothing.

-don’t agree to pay them to ‘meet and greet’. Some girls are collecting lots of cash by having coffee and drinks with punters. How easy a job is that. They might ask you to pay for their Uber. In some cases I order the Uber on. My own account but not hand out cash. The truck to this is to say my time is as valuable as your so I will only spend 20 minutes and have only one coffee or one drink. I never do lunches or dinners with I girl I haven’t yet agreed to sleep with. Often, there is no chemistry at all, so why get stuck for more than 15-20 minutes?!

-as soon as any girl mentions “in my last arrangement, my sugar daddy gave me $1,200 each time”, you just block her and forget about her.

-the line starting with “in my last arrangement….” Is a strategy girls teach each other on forums about setting the bar high so we men feel it’s ok to agree to large sums.

-BBFS is definitely enjoyable and we all like it, but…but… even if the risk of STD is low, the risk of pregnancy is high. Never trust the sanity of these girls. You might end up with a financial disaster for years to come. If married, it could lead to divorce. I know one guy in Brisbane who’s paying for a son he fathered but can’t even get to see him!!!

In closing, you only get scammed if you give someone money and get nothing in return. If you don’t pay till you’re in a hotel room with them, you’re not getting scammed.

[Frederic]

Some suggestions on Secret Benefits

1) only contact verified profiles with videos
2) send them a ❤️ first and only write to them if they respond / view your profile
3) only write to them when they are online
4) write something provocative or thoughtful that ends in a question so they are more likely to respond
5) never pay to see their private photos or their secret questions or if your responses are read

I’ve had 9 girls progress to in person meets n the past years and I’ve fucked 8 of them. Only one was a dud.

Good luck with it. PM if you want to know anything else.

[justpuntingit]

Some suggestions on Secret Benefits

1) only contact verified profiles with videos
2) send them a ❤️ first and only write to them if they respond / view your profile
3) only write to them when they are online
4) write something provocative or thoughtful that ends in a question so they are more likely to respond
5) never pay to see their private photos or their secret questions or if your responses are read

I’ve had 9 girls progress to in person meets n the past years and I’ve fucked 8 of them. Only one was a dud.

Good luck with it. PM if you want to know anything else.

thanks mate, makes sense... will give it a crack

[jj12345]

I start looking at SA last night and saw upgrade fee is about 100 USD for 30 day. Is that true? Do you need fee pay to get good use out of seeking?

[Frederic]

How will you talk to the girls if you don’t pay the subscription fee?

Suggest it’s worth reading the 5,000 pages of intel on here first

[andrewv]

I start looking at SA last night and saw upgrade fee is about 100 USD for 30 day. Is that true? Do you need fee pay to get good use out of seeking?

It’s how the website makes revenue.
You have to pay to play (be able to send and receive messages with the girls)

[mn69]

my overall experience has been great, but u get the occasional delusional SB's who demands an unreleastic amount of $1000-2000K per meet LOL
and few who ask for a ppm for initial meet and greet where she "doesn't get intimate on first meet"

[20red48]

Has anyone here transitioned from a 500 per meet to someone asking over 500 (say 700pm) with an SB? If you did, was there any difference?
I'm just attracted to this one SB but she is expensive AF and contemplating if I should bite the bullet and try it once.

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[andrewv]

Has anyone here transitioned from a 500 per meet to someone asking over 500 (say 700pm) with an SB? If you did, was there any difference?
I'm just attracted to this one SB but she is expensive AF and contemplating if I should bite the bullet and try it once.

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The girls talk to each other on other forums, including Reddit which you can read. They tell each other how to raise their $$$ expectations.

The oldest trick is when she tells you, “my last arrangement he paid me $1,000” or any high price.
ItÂ’s a trick.

I would pay $700 if she can host because that saves my cost of paying for a hotel room. But never pay $700 when you also pay another $200 odd for the hotel room plus sometimes room service meals and drinks.

[20red48]

The girls talk to each other on other forums, including Reddit which you can read. They tell each other how to raise their $$$ expectations.

The oldest trick is when she tells you, “my last arrangement he paid me $1,000” or any high price.
ItÂ’s a trick.

I would pay $700 if she can host because that saves my cost of paying for a hotel room. But never pay $700 when you also pay another $200 odd for the hotel room plus sometimes room service meals and drinks.I've seen this, yes. But with this one, she's actually asking 1K plus I book a hotel. LOL
Honestly, I'm smitten by her looks but my funds says I can get more "bang" for my buck for SBs asking 400-500 range.

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[mn69]

$1K expensive AF bro. I hope its BB, BB anal, BB everything, few hours, even overnight and she is a 10/10 + best company ever
$1K u will get a trip to overseas + more bro.

[ditchtheboss]

Has anyone here transitioned from a 500 per meet to someone asking over 500 (say 700pm) with an SB? If you did, was there any difference?
I'm just attracted to this one SB but she is expensive AF and contemplating if I should bite the bullet and try it once.

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I used to pay a max of 500 ppm. Then I gave up to the hottest Chinese girl I ever met who asked for 700 and she hosted me. We used to stay together for hours. First meet and she rode me bare back. We did t even talk about it and she just went for it. We saw each other for months and months.

Then I also met, shall I confess at the same time as the Chinese girl, the most gorgeous Korean girl I ever met. She also asked for 700. With her it was covered which I prefer but her bbbj was amazing, when I daty her she would cum the first time and then again she would cream on my dick. The added bonus with her was that we really got along.

To me it sounds like there is a difference between the 500 and 700 ones.

Having said all that I may be the idiot who is paying more and she is doing the same for others who are paying 500. I don’t really care, still enjoying myself

The rule that paying more gives more value with SBs has worked for me but I am sure there are duds out there. My limit is 700 and no more

[20red48]

I used to pay a max of 500 ppm. Then I gave up to the hottest Chinese girl I ever met who asked for 700 and she hosted me. We used to stay together for hours. First meet and she rode me bare back. We did t even talk about it and she just went for it. We saw each other for months and months.

Then I also met, shall I confess at the same time as the Chinese girl, the most gorgeous Korean girl I ever met. She also asked for 700. With her it was covered which I prefer but her bbbj was amazing, when I daty her she would cum the first time and then again she would cream on my dick. The added bonus with her was that we really got along.

To me it sounds like there is a difference between the 500 and 700 ones.

Having said all that I may be the idiot who is paying more and she is doing the same for others who are paying 500. I don’t really care, still enjoying myself

The rule that paying more gives more value with SBs has worked for me but I am sure there are duds out there. My limit is 700 and no moreThanks for sharing your thoughts! I'll stick to my current budget and write off this $1K SB as she's not even going to host and potentially look for the right one who may be successful in extracting $700 out of my pocket in a but so distant future.

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[20red48]

$1K expensive AF bro. I hope its BB, BB anal, BB everything, few hours, even overnight and she is a 10/10 + best company ever
$1K u will get a trip to overseas + more bro.I honestly have not looked at airline tickets lately! Where can 1K get me nowadays?! My last trip was to my home country and all SBs in that space are high off their chops! They're all asking 700+ for PPM!

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[ditchtheboss]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'll stick to my current budget and write off this $1K SB as she's not even going to host and potentially look for the right one who may be successful in extracting $700 out of my pocket in a but so distant future.

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It is hard at times but I think it is important to stick to your limits. It can get out of hand quickly. These girls are clever and know what to do. I always find hard to break up with then if we have a good thing going so sticking to your limits is important so you can have longevity if that’s what you are looking for

[andrewv]

One girl on Seeking said she wants 900. I replied and said "Thanks but I am offering 500. I wish you well."
She replied and said, "OK, 500 but for one hour only." I didn't reply but it showed me they are all trying to extract as much cash as possible....

[mn69]

20red48
$500-$1K will get you a trip to Thailand, return. Over there, you can get girls for alot cheaper than the SB. even a different girl every day for 1 week for the same amount u will give to you SB.
If you dont mind me askin, wheres you home country and hows the SB market over there.

[Frederic]

More money doesn’t make her fuck harder or longer.

Letting them think they are worth more than a few hundred for doing nothing more than opening their legs is just inflating their egos.

[frisson]

One girl on Seeking said she wants 900. I replied and said "Thanks but I am offering 500. I wish you well."
She replied and said, "OK, 500 but for one hour only." I didn't reply but it showed me they are all trying to extract as much cash as possible....

Definitely not my scene. Would rather date with single women. Find this entitled attitude so off-putting.
$900 is basically a private escort's price plus super inflation

[20red48]

Definitely not my scene. Would rather date with single women. Find this entitled attitude so off-putting.
$900 is basically a private escort's price plus super inflationIt's only 900 if you allow it to be. I'm only contemplating on crossing that bridge but 500-700 would be my budget. Bonus if they can host which i am yet to find one. SBs i've dated so far are so much better than any escorts out there and i spend hours with them, not 30mins

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[ditchtheboss]

It's only 900 if you allow it to be. I'm only contemplating on crossing that bridge but 500-700 would be my budget. Bonus if they can host which i am yet to find one. SBs i've dated so far are so much better than any escorts out there and i spend hours with them, not 30mins

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I have only had good experiences with SBs. I have been with a few over time and only one didn’t host which happened to be my favourite unfortunately.

They are indeed much better than escorts but what you get is different. Yes, sex is sex but with SBs is longer, more intimate and they seem to be hornier than WLs because they are not fucking 10 guys in a row

[ditchtheboss]

More money doesn’t make her fuck harder or longer.



Letting them think they are worth more than a few hundred for doing nothing more than opening their legs is just inflating their egos.

Paying 700 rather than 500 has opened the door to a plethora of girls who indeed fuck longer. I have had girls who stayed with me several hours and we fucked several times for 700. I had only seen WLs up until about 1 year ago and found SBs to be more value

[Doc]

On this note, I was offered by one brisbane SB $1200 for per meet, and she is also not willing to negotiate.
She mentioned she has only seen a few SD and all of them were ok with that amount .
She mentioned that she is going to provide a luxurious kind of experience.

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[mn69]

@Doc damn thats exxy. Thats an overnight meet and BB everything?
$1200 u can go overseas & back lol

[Frederic]

I’ve never paid more than 500. Never will.
Some turn up to fuck and some turn up to be paid.
I go for the former.

[andrewv]

On this note, I was offered by one brisbane SB $1200 for per meet, and she is also not willing to negotiate.
She mentioned she has only seen a few SD and all of them were ok with that amount .
She mentioned that she is going to provide a luxurious kind of experience.

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Some men are suckers.
You and I need not be suckers.
I’ve never heard of any sex worth $1,200.

That girl could be lying to you. I’ve had it many times when they usually say, “In my last arrangement, he paid me $xxxxx”

That phrase is being coached to them on several forums for sugarbabes. They teach each other how to extract the maximum amounts. There is even a couple of podcasts doing this.

Some women think their pussies are worth more than other girls’ pussies! Let me tell you from experience that often the $400 or $500 ones are much more enjoyable than the $700 or $800 ones …

[Joe1956]

I’ve paid from $200 up. It’s not a scale that ensures quality.
Best bonk was actually the cheapest but everyone would have a different story

[20red48]

Some men are suckers.
You and I need not be suckers.
I’ve never heard of any sex worth $1,200.

That girl could be lying to you. I’ve had it many times when they usually say, “In my last arrangement, he paid me $xxxxx”

That phrase is being coached to them on several forums for sugarbabes. They teach each other how to extract the maximum amounts. There is even a couple of podcasts doing this.

Some women think their pussies are worth more than other girls’ pussies! Let me tell you from experience that often the $400 or $500 ones are much more enjoyable than the $700 or $800 ones …Amen! Although, I've really only ventured on 400/500 mark. The SB that I'm so fond of is the 400 one. Crazier in bed and more than willing to experiment! One of her kinks is doing it in public and oh boy, I'm afraid we'll get caught or worse, filmed in one of our escapades!
The 500 per meet SB is more restrictive, still holding back and she's got the crazy eyes (quoting Barney Stinson from HIMYM) - only reason I've been seeing her is because I'm a sucker to any hot SB that tells me they love me and she never fails to tell me after every deed! 🫣

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[curiousgeorge1023]

$500 + can host, that's it. Anything more than that the cost and the time investment isnt worth it anymore.

Pushback with these " In my last arrangement bullshit "

The last Free Market that is truly dictated by Supply & Demand. Perhaps the only market that is not manipulated, YET.

[Frederic]

Agree. The best fucking is where they aren’t greedy and they are in it for the sex

[andrewv]

Let’s all keep in mind that sites like seeking dot com have 4 times more girls than guys willing to pay them. Supply definitely exceeds demand.

We just have to avoid falling for the $1,200 a shot princesses.

If I had to pay over a thousand dollars per meeting, I would organise long weekend trips to Philippines and get actual beauty stars for the money….

I know one businessman who does this every 3 months. He flies out for 4 or 5 days and enjoys 24/7 sex with girls that are simply not available in Australia. I’ve seen his photos and they’re seriously amazing.

[mn69]

Agree bro. These girls are getting entitled/delusional thinking its like traditional dating where they have all the power to pick & choose men. And demand whatever they want.

Never forget, whoever holds the money, has all the power here. If u not happy with it, just walk away and take your money elswhere

$1200 is like 4-8 punts here. Depending if 30min or an hour. In Philippines or Thailand, thats big money. Girls there will stay with u for like 2 weeks, even up to a month with that kind of cash & treat u like a king lol or a diff girl everyday if thats what u prefer.

[GoldfishMan]

Any precautions you guys take with these girls that can host?

[andrewv]

While you are having a shower at their place they will look in your pockets, credit cards, drivers licence…. Also count your cash before arriving. Don’t carry more than you agreed to give her.

Better to leave your ID in the car.

[ditchtheboss]

That’s why when I go to have a shower I get changed in the bathroom so I am still wearing my pants with my wallet in my pocket. Never had an issue.

[andrewv]

From one of the many forums where sugarbabes give each other advice on how to extract as much $$$$ as possible:

Help pls any advice would be appreciated
Advice Needed

So I’ve had one SD for a couple of months now, everything’s cool even though we never set an allowance I have a good enough income from him and I am pretty satisfied with just having him.

However recently I’ve noticed he’s away travelling most of the time and ive already caught him cheating so I think it’s a good idea to get a back up just incase. I did just find a guy that’s low-key perfect and we agreed on a very fair allowance for the next 4 months. I’m not really sure if he actually will stick around for that long but that’s not the point here.

This new guy said that he can get a “strict” I’m not really sure what he means but my guess is that he’s gonna be possessive or something along those lines but I won’t really know that till I actually meet him. My question is how do you girls that have other sds do it? I’m afraid of my og one finding out but knowing my karma it will probably happen.

Should I be upfront with them both or just keep it to myself ?

[andrewv]

Another sugarbabes forum entry:

Need some advice and guidance
Advice Needed

Hey girls, I am 19f from India, I have been in the bowl for almost 2 years now with random ppms.

Now I am looking for something stable for at least 3 years. I have found 2 very generous and charming men who take care of me. But I would hate to have to choose between them two. Should I maintain these two sr and keep it a secret from them or tell both of them about it. I am sure they won’t mind me dating someone else but I don’t want them to lowball me thinking that other guy will spoil me.

And what kind of monthly allowance should I ask from each? Also please drop some date ideas intimate and platonic to keep things spicy please ��

[andrewv]

and another from sugarbabes focums.....

I quite literally cannot anymore
Venting (NO PHOTOS/SCREENSHOTS)

Had a M&G with what I thought was a POT yesterday. It was going GREAT, this man was checking off all my flags. Then later on in the night we discuss a bit more about boundaries. He then proceeds to ask me if I’m on birth control. I tell him no, and I don’t plan on getting on it because of the side effects. He tells me that might be a problem since he can’t really use condoms because he won’t be able to get it up. Sir, take a fucking viagra like why is that my problem. And this man has multiple SB’s. I told him, “You know HIV & several other stds exist right?”. He claimed he gets tested every 2 weeks. I’m so tired.


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Why do men have this complex where because they’re giving us money, we suddenly owe them COMPLETE wife treatment? They want access to us in ways that should really only be given to a life partner. But once you mention husband treatment it’s quiet!! Like where’s my new Mercedes Benz, house, write me in your will! Where are my stocks & debit cards attached to your bank account??!! If they want extra privileges, so do I!

Unfortunately newbies and desperate women are ruining it for everyone. I’ve been told ALOT of women will have sex AND not require a condom on the first date. That’s why they expect it now, and our health is at risk ��



Lmao next time a guy tries to push for no condoms, I'm just going to straight up tell him, "Sir, I'm not your wife." Thank you for that. XD


I mean-- I am looking to eventually become a wife to a provider, but you're right that it's a great standard to have in general with any SDs or vanilla guys. You've put into words something I've always felt but didn't know how to articulate in that I don't want no condom intimacy until I'm full committed to them. Never realized how much it had been itching in the back of my head. Appreciate it, thank you!
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My end goal is also to be a wife :) I’m just referring to men like the post, men who have multiple SB’s, or SD’s who don’t want commitment. We should all use it because men don’t seem to understand. Glad I could articulate it so you can use it in the future ��
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“Write me in your will” tickled me ��. But yes, exactly- you sure want a lot for this bare minimum ppm. Not that the condom would ever be up for negotiation but like, you must think me stupid.
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I agree. And, even wives don’t ‘owe’ husbands anything… imho!
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PREACH! This sis!
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lmao might steal that
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why is their argument for barebacking that they test frequently? how is that going to help when you see multiple women a week? all raw? like ..
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And men don’t even test for hpv which gives us cancer. Like disgusting
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Also, diseases have incubation periods. So you can rest but recent exposures will not show up.
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He’s probably lying about getting tested often anyways. I wouldn’t trust that.
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The scary thing is that his other SB agrees to that... Some of these men just see us as sex dolls and it's disgusting.
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[mn69]

Funny how some of these SB's write about how gross/disgusting it is... gross creepy old men, being seen as "sex dolls" blah blah blah... but theyre the ones choosing to be an SB. Like what do they expect ...

If they dont like it, work in retail or something like every other young college girl for like ~$15-20+/hr

[Joe1956]

A good thread being hijacked by haters. Let’s get back to the real things.
I love SBs who offer us another fun angle into punting.
Just enjoy guys, that’s what we’re here for

[Frederic]

Why are we loading this up with crap some man-hater in the US says? That lame duck Reddit thread has been around for years. Doesn’t stop me fucking new Sugarbabes each week.

[Frederic]

It’s also a misnomer to refer to Sugarbabe forums as if there is an organized place where girls go to compare notes about us. In Australia it doesn’t exist.

[Riff888]

It’s also a misnomer to refer to Sugarbabe forums as if there is an organized place where girls go to compare notes about us. In Australia it doesn’t exist.There is one here, it's a WhatsApp group.

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[frisson]

A good thread being hijacked by haters. Let’s get back to the real things.
I love SBs who offer us another fun angle into punting.
Just enjoy guys, that’s what we’re here for

There are no haters. Most of us didn't know much about SB.
People are naturally sceptical
After reading about it, I'm not convinced in many grounds, that it is a worthwhile activity for the men
Open mind but too many downsides unless you like unprotected sex with women who have unprotected sex with multiple men

[mn69]

@joe1956
Nah were just discussing it as it is alot of money to let go off nearly $500-$1200+ each time compared to just regular punting.

No one wants to get ripped off, lose that kind of $$$ and get pretty average or shitty service. As seems like these SB's are trying to extract as much money as humanly possible from the SD's

[Frederic]

There is one here, it's a WhatsApp group.

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Sure there are heaps of random WhatsApp and FB chat groups amongst friends and agents. They have them amongst sex workers too - in fact the SWs are better organized. It’s not the same as an organized forum cataloguing information on individual guys.

[frisson]

@joe1956
Nah were just discussing it as it is alot of money to let go off nearly $500-$1200+ each time compared to just regular punting.

No one wants to get ripped off, lose that kind of $$$ and get pretty average or shitty service. As seems like these SB's are trying to extract as much money as humanly possible from the SD's

Good points. I don't mind a woman earning her money. Life is expensive
But when one guy is spending hours with an SB chatting her up, another guy is buying her handbags, another bought perfume, another is paying for plane tickets and all are doing BBFS together, I'm trying to see an upside for a $500+ fuck

A SB is just like the freelancing male playboy, all fun and no commitment or meaning
Plus STIs unless condoms are involved

[Joe1956]

If you can’t afford it then too bad.
Stop trying to bring SBs down
Go somewhere else and preach your BS
Unbelievable

[Riff888]

There are no haters. Most of us didn't know much about SB.
People are naturally sceptical
After reading about it, I'm not convinced in many grounds, that it is a worthwhile activity for the men
Open mind but too many downsides unless you like unprotected sex with women who have unprotected sex with multiple menYou're talking to guys who wouldn't think twice about going BB with WLs who see say 10 guys a day.

As opposed to going BB with SBs seeing many 10 guys a month.

After BBFS everytime and CIP most times, I cannot go back to brothels.

Saying that, I haven't met any SBs like T Leena from N5M or K Rebecca from Ginza. If those girls are ever on SA, my starting price will be $800.

It's most certainly better than dating apps. I'll never go there again.

Youngest girl dated 19, eldest girl 31.

Some examples9950399505

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[mn69]

@Riff888. Nice work there
Yeah SA is like a dating app on easy mode where money talks. And straight to the point, no BS.

Good for busy guys who dont have the time to play games. In long term, SB's/WL's are still alot cheaper then marrying and wife-ing up some chick lol

[GoldfishMan]

Saying that, I haven't met any SBs like T Leena from N5M or K Rebecca from Ginza. If those girls are ever on SA, my starting price will be $800.


Thanks for confirming it for me. I've been browsing all these SB sites. Also been getting Auto emails from sugardaddy.com.au SBs sending me messages.

TBH, I am just unimpressed with any of their looks.

I mean if you're saying that K Rebecca is the high watermark for you in terms of looks when it comes to these SBs, then sorry to say this bro, it does add a huge pinch of salt to all these posts about bedding "hot" SBs, BB or not.

This has always been a big question mark for me. I knew it was all down to each individual's preference but I didn't know to what extent.

[20red48]

Thanks for confirming it for me. I've been browsing all these SB sites. Also been getting Auto emails from sugardaddy.com.au SBs sending me messages.

TBH, I am just unimpressed with any of their looks.

I mean if you're saying that K Rebecca is the high watermark for you in terms of looks when it comes to these SBs, then sorry to say this bro, it does add a huge pinch of salt to all these posts about bedding "hot" SBs, BB or not.

This has always been a big question mark for me. I knew it was all down to each individual's preference but I didn't know to what extent.I dont know K Rebecca but based on my experience alone, none of these MLs/ WLs compare to the SBs I'm seeing currently.
Our brother might be referring to performance in bed and not looks.

I'm hooked with SBs for the sole reason i'm not bound by time when I see them, meaning we only stop because we (mainly me) just could not physically carry on.

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[GoldfishMan]

I dont know K Rebecca but based on my experience alone, none of these MLs/ WLs compare to the SBs I'm seeing currently.
Our brother might be referring to performance in bed and not looks.

I'm hooked with SBs for the sole reason i'm not bound by time when I see them, meaning we only stop because we (mainly me) just could not physically carry on.

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Bro, I've got nothing against SBs or seeing them. I really wanted to get into the action myself.

But, let's face it nobody has seen every ML or WL out there. The best thing that we can hope for is for someone who's seen some that we've seen before and can then do a comparison for us. This gives you context.

Based on what I'm seeing on the profiles, I can't make any other conclusion but to assume that your standards are different from mine. It is what it is...

[Riff888]

Bro, I've got nothing against SBs or seeing them. I really wanted to get into the action myself.

But, let's face it nobody has seen every ML or WL out there. The best thing that we can hope for is for someone who's seen some that we've seen before and can then do a comparison for us. This gives you context.

Based on what I'm seeing on the profiles, I can't make any other conclusion but to assume that your standards are different from mine. It is what it is...Bro, I was talking about service levels.

If you are used to high levels of service then most SBs are just not skilled enough.

My benchmark is Leena, she was a performer, every session was different and better than the last. I wonder what she's doing now.

I've only met one Indonesian girl that tops the rest, she's Muslim as well. No wonder Indo girls are popular.

This of SBs like GFs; if the chemistry is there then sex gets better over time. But it's more effort for both parties for something to work longer terms.

I think it's harder for guys in relationships to have SBs, it's risky with higher chances of getting caught.

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[20red48]

Bro, I've got nothing against SBs or seeing them. I really wanted to get into the action myself.

But, let's face it nobody has seen every ML or WL out there. The best thing that we can hope for is for someone who's seen some that we've seen before and can then do a comparison for us. This gives you context.

Based on what I'm seeing on the profiles, I can't make any other conclusion but to assume that your standards are different from mine. It is what it is...Cannot argue with that. I just don't want you to miss out because of a few bad apples.

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[sukeong]

What is the opinion of regulars here on the site sugardaddy.com.au? How it compared to others? I'm been thnkng of trying different stuff instead of just ml amd wl shops. I've registered, got some messages. One has verified video with her face clearly seen. Probably 6/10. But seem to have nice personality and body.


The initial fee just to reply back seem to be about us$60. Worth it to spend on this site?

[pysterio]

ive started out on SDM vs SB as a paid SD... but I want to be discreet IRL and online. Had one or two conversations agree for ppm and then ask for my number but I am not keen and give my kik/snapchat, and it falls through at this point. I don't want the missus to see me get random calls or sms. Hopefully i'll get an SB otherwise I'll stick to WL.

Do SBs ever uses anon messaging apps?

[andrewv]

ive started out on SDM vs SB as a paid SD... but I want to be discreet IRL and online. Had one or two conversations agree for ppm and then ask for my number but I am not keen and give my kik/snapchat, and it falls through at this point. I don't want the missus to see me get random calls or sms. Hopefully i'll get an SB otherwise I'll stick to WL.

Do SBs ever uses anon messaging apps?

I only use kik when dealing with SBs for the same reason. I use my mobile for work, so it would not suit to be receiving calls or SMS messages. Some girls from seeking say they don't use kik. I remind them it's free and it protects their privacy too. If they insist on not using kik, I simply block them from seeking and move to the next one in the queue.

I guess some of the girls think that by knowing the mobile number of the prospective SD it gives them a degree of safety.... but it simply erodes privacy.

[pysterio]

I only use kik when dealing with SBs for the same reason. I use my mobile for work, so it would not suit to be receiving calls or SMS messages. Some girls from seeking say they don't use kik. I remind them it's free and it protects their privacy too. If they insist on not using kik, I simply block them from seeking and move to the next one in the queue.

I guess some of the girls think that by knowing the mobile number of the prospective SD it gives them a degree of safety.... but it simply erodes privacy.

thanks brother. i am glad to hear you are getting success even though the filters are more strict.

[thelastdance]

Back from Europe summer holiday. Definitely better to go before the August rush.

FKK clubs were awesome. I recommend Germany just for those. Some great talent and it was like a brother pool party.

Seeking in Uk is just like here. Plenty of women will fuck for GBP 100-250 and Aussie accent is a winner.

[thelastdance]

I used to use kik for a while but it’s a graveyard for SB conversations. It’s really only the sex workers who use it.

I use my mobile and never had a problem with anyone. Easy to turn off notifications on text, WhatsApp or telegram.

Or get yourself an eSim / burner phone if you are still worried.

[Aussieguyinsf]

I have a good recommendation for an Argentine sb, early 30s, Asian style small but succulent boobs, petite ass. Into hair pulling, biting and some other stuff. No bb. 400 for multiple hours. Dm me to trade info.

[pysterio]

you are right.. i did get one person speficially asking for kik and she did give off WL vibes during negotiation (condom only) .. cant travel to city because she has a baby.. so i have dumped kik

[mn69]

As soon as she mentions a ppm/hr, condom only, mentions an extra fee for this, doesnt do this & that... then shes a WL posing as an SB.

Every real SB is open for BB or eventually later down the track (given u both get tested, become regular etc) & she doesnt clock watch or ask for extras

[thelastdance]

As soon as she mentions a ppm/hr, condom only, mentions an extra fee for this, doesnt do this & that... then shes a WL posing as an SB.

Every real SB is open for BB or eventually later down the track (given u both get tested, become regular etc) & she doesnt clock watch or ask for extras

That’s right. It sounds like sex worker language. Normal chicks don’t use sex acronyms either.

[deboDIK]

I have a good recommendation for an Argentine sb, early 30s, Asian style small but succulent boobs, petite ass. Into hair pulling, biting and some other stuff. No bb. 400 for multiple hours. Dm me to trade info.

info please. thanks mate

[andrewv]

ive started out on SDM vs SB as a paid SD... but I want to be discreet IRL and online. Had one or two conversations agree for ppm and then ask for my number but I am not keen and give my kik/snapchat, and it falls through at this point. I don't want the missus to see me get random calls or sms. Hopefully i'll get an SB otherwise I'll stick to WL.

Do SBs ever uses anon messaging apps?

I only share my kik ID.
It’s not connected in any way to my mobile number.
You can set up a Kik account by using a fake yahoo email address.

Sharing your mobile or WhatsApp with SB’s you have not met yet is very dangerous if you’re married or have a partner.

Did you read the story about the Indian millionaire who was flying with his wife to a fancy holiday. He he’ll asleep on the plane and his wife used his phone to read his messages with his sugarbaby… then woke him up and demanded a divorce plus his assets? She opened his phone using his Face ID .

[andrewv]

As soon as she mentions a ppm/hr, condom only, mentions an extra fee for this, doesnt do this & that... then shes a WL posing as an SB.

Every real SB is open for BB or eventually later down the track (given u both get tested, become regular etc) & she doesnt clock watch or ask for extras

I’ve been on and off seeking for several years and can assure you that 50% or more of the girls on it are not poor uni students but are working ladies.

Guys, most of what they tell you are made-up stories. In fact a couple I met said it outright that they think most men are gullible and believe anything.

We men have a built-in bias (ego trip) wanting to believe the girls actually like us and it isn’t all about money. It’s why many men on this forum brag about how they make ML/WL/SB cum!!! The ego fantasy is so shallow.

[thelastdance]

I’ve been on and off seeking for several years and can assure you that 50% or more of the girls on it are not poor uni students but are working ladies.

Guys, most of what they tell you are made-up stories. In fact a couple I met said it outright that they think most men are gullible and believe anything.

We men have a built-in bias (ego trip) wanting to believe the girls actually like us and it isn’t all about money. It’s why many men on this forum brag about how they make ML/WL/SB cum!!! The ego fantasy is so shallow.

On another sub here you said you spend 400 a month on punting. How do you afford 200 a month on seeking and how do you afford Sugarbabies if that is the case?

[andrewv]

On another sub here you said you spend 400 a month on punting. How do you afford 200 a month on seeking and how do you afford Sugarbabies if that is the case?

I don’t mix seeing SBs and ML/WL at the same time. It’s usually 1-3 months of SBs then go back to random MLs and sometimes WLs.

This is because my cash flow is variable and it kind of gets boring to be doing only this or only that.

SBs are a bigger commitment because I have to pay them and hotel room, and the food SBs want continuity for a couple of months or more.

[thelastdance]

I’ve seen around 10 girls on Seeking and Sugardaddy.com since I start this. Most of them I’ve repeated with. There are SWs on the site but I think the numbers are exaggerated. None of the girls I’ve seen are pros and they are pretty easy to find.

[Joe1956]

I’ve seen around 10 girls on Seeking and Sugardaddy.com since I start this. Most of them I’ve repeated with. There are SWs on the site but I think the numbers are exaggerated. None of the girls I’ve seen are pros and they are pretty easy to find.
Exactly right.
andrewv has a chip on his shoulder for some reason over SBs
Just enjoy the options that are out there.

[ditchtheboss]

Exactly right.
andrewv has a chip on his shoulder for some reason over SBs
Just enjoy the options that are out there.
Yep, agree with everything. I have seen many girls from seeking many times. I prefer SBs to WLs now.

In fact as I type this I am waiting for my favourite SB to come in. She is just a great gal, sexy and doesn’t know what bbbj stands for but gives one sloppy and fantastic bbbj. That’s how we know they are not WLs they don’t know the acronyms

[Riff888]

It's pretty easy to spot the WLs or career SBs out there.

The genuine girls will video chat, send selfies and are not afraid to walk around with you all over the place.

There are some legit girls who are very discreet, these girls are probably in a relationship.

Some girls are even looking for a serious long term relationship. Guess they're sick of dating apps as well.

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[sukeong]

Yep, agree with everything. I have seen many girls from seeking many times. I prefer SBs to WLs now.

ms

Wats your opinion on sugardaddy.com?

QUOTE=ditchtheboss;2715190]Yep, agree with everything. I have seen many girls from seeking many times. I prefer SBs to WLs now.

In fact as I type this I am waiting for my favourite SB to come in. She is just a great gal, sexy and doesn’t know what bbbj stands for but gives one sloppy and fantastic bbbj. That’s how we know they are not WLs they don’t know the acronyms[/QUOTE]


Back from Europe summer holiday. Definitely better to go before the August rush.

FKK clubs were awesome. I recommend Germany just for those. Some great talent and it was like a brother pool party.

Seeking in Uk is just like here. Plenty of women will fuck for GBP 100-250 and Aussie accent is a winner.

That’s interesting. Would have thought Europe be more expensive. Prices have gone higher at other countries. Shocked to know some escorts are charging 3 times more now than pre Covid

[thelastdance]

Uk in particular is stressed. Energy bills and food prices are pushing up massively. Sex business seems slower. Generally a bit of doom and gloom around.

[thelastdance]

Sugardaddy is pretty good a bit like secret benefits. Someone posted on how to use that and the tips sound right. But he is banned so not sure if you can dm him

[ditchtheboss]

Sugardaddy is pretty good a bit like secret benefits. Someone posted on how to use that and the tips sound right. But he is banned so not sure if you can dm him

I find the business model with sugardaddy gets you to spend more because you have to buy credits to message and view photos. I prefer seeking as a flat monthly fee

[mn69]

I dont know if its just me or others are noticing too

I get that were in an inflation and everyones struggling. But I find alot of SB's are all asking for at least 700-1000+ now (and this is protected too)

[ditchtheboss]

I dont know if its just me or others are noticing too

I get that were in an inflation and everyones struggling. But I find alot of SB's are all asking for at least 700-1000+ now (and this is protected too)

I don’t think it has changed much due to inflation. I frequently find girls ranging from 500 to 1000. It really depends on who they are. Young and absolute stunners ask for more. One of my SBs is a 28 Korean who is an absolute stunner to me, she is 600 and we usually meet for lunch and stay together until about 7.

[119tcs]

Anyone got experience with fierce hottie from seeking ?

[mn69]

I don’t think it has changed much due to inflation. I frequently find girls ranging from 500 to 1000. It really depends on who they are. Young and absolute stunners ask for more. One of my SBs is a 28 Korean who is an absolute stunner to me, she is 600 and we usually meet for lunch and stay together until about 7.

Ahh okay, yeh the girls usually asking for upper range 700-1000 are 18-21 year old, blonde beach model type girls. But have had some older ones too & some Asian SB's asking same amount.

Thats pretty good deal with the Korean girl. I got similar (is this same girl Elllz11?)

[ditchtheboss]

Ahh okay, yeh the girls usually asking for upper range 700-1000 are 18-21 year old, blonde beach model type girls. But have had some older ones too & some Asian SB's asking same amount.

Thats pretty good deal with the Korean girl. I got similar (is this same girl Elllz11?)

Yep, that’s her

[ditchtheboss]

Wrong thread
How is she, whats your experience with her

Just messaged you

[119tcs]

Elllz protected only or cool with bbfs?

[ditchtheboss]

Elllz protected only or cool with bbfs?
In my experience protected sex which I prefer but bbbj. Not bbfs

[mn69]

Yeh she said no BBFS as well

[bleekpit]

just asking but what are sugarbabes? how are they different from private WL?

[Riff888]

Yeh she said no BBFS as wellWhat does she look like?

I couldn't find that username on Seeking.

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[Riff888]

just asking but what are sugarbabes? how are they different from private WL?Start here Seeking.com

Pay the membership.

Start talking to girls. Never talk about payment on the app, switch to WhatsApp or Kik.

Keep the Pay Per Meet (PPM) between $400 to $600.

This will get you a few hours of fun with BBFS most of the time, CIP as well.

Good luck

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[119tcs]

try searching ellllz11

[mn69]

Anyone got experience with fierce hottie from seeking ?

Yes I seen her once before. Shes the Aussie/Western girl yeah?

[mn69]

What does she look like?

I couldn't find that username on Seeking.

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Its just a photo of her sitting down, no face shots. Wearing brownish/goldish dress.

[119tcs]

Yes I seen her once before. Shes the Aussie/Western girl yeah?

Can’t see FierceHottie face on photo, profile pic black dress

If same girl, could you pm or reply with what she charged you, how many hours and if ok with bbbj and bbfs

Cheers

[sukeong]

Sugardaddy is pretty good a bit like secret benefits. Someone posted on how to use that and the tips sound right. But he is banned so not sure if you can dm him

I decided to just plunge in and see how it goes. There’s plenty of options but very few good ones that’s up to standard. One fairly average lady straight up asked for $650 ppm and all the sex stuff she can or cannot do. That’s was interesting. I think I might jump to seeking next month lol.

[Aussieguyinsf]

Seeking is the most popular and the way to go. Dm me to trade recos.

[mn69]

Can’t see FierceHottie face on photo, profile pic black dress

If same girl, could you pm or reply with what she charged you, how many hours and if ok with bbbj and bbfs

Cheers

Thats her mate. Been a while since i seen. Just saw once. Definitely Western (non-Asian). At the time, i think was ~500 and stayed ~2 hours, 2 rounds. Ok with BBBJ. No BBBFs at time. But did mention she is open to it if become regular/exclusive.

[119tcs]

Thats her mate. Been a while since i seen. Just saw once. Definitely Western (non-Asian). At the time, i think was ~500 and stayed ~2 hours, 2 rounds. Ok with BBBJ. No BBBFs at time. But did mention she is open to it if become regular/exclusive.

She hot? What does she look like , at least a 8/10?

[andrewv]

I decided to just plunge in and see how it goes. There’s plenty of options but very few good ones that’s up to standard. One fairly average lady straight up asked for $650 ppm and all the sex stuff she can or cannot do. That’s was interesting. I think I might jump to seeking next month lol.

Avoid girls that send a list of demands of what they do and don't do because these girls try to take charge and think you are a cash-out ATM.

$650 is high if she is not a 9/10 and young. Most girls on Seeking are actually average looking in real life.
Almost all the photos on Seeking are glamour photos the girls take for social media, so always expect real life will be 1 or 2 notches down.

And the best advice is, "There is plenty of fish in the seeking sea". The ratio of women to men on Seeking exceeds 5:1 and this was published several times.

[Joe1956]

I prefer Secret Benefits because of their ‘verification’ video. That gives you 90% accuracy

[Joe1956]

Aussieguyinsf Cant send. Your box is full

[mn69]

She hot? What does she look like , at least a 8/10?

For she she was ok, average. Maybe 6-7/10. But beauty is subjective. U might think she is more or less. Contact her, she will whatsapp u more pics.

[mn69]

Avoid girls that send a list of demands of what they do and don't do because these girls try to take charge and think you are a cash-out ATM.

$650 is high if she is not a 9/10 and young. Most girls on Seeking are actually average looking in real life.
Almost all the photos on Seeking are glamour photos the girls take for social media, so always expect real life will be 1 or 2 notches down.

And the best advice is, "There is plenty of fish in the seeking sea". The ratio of women to men on Seeking exceeds 5:1 and this was published several times.

I agree with this. So many SB's now demanding unreasonable amounts. Average girls at best asking 700-1000+

And most of the pics are photoshopped instagram pics anyway.

They think SD's are an ATM machine with unlimited money. They dont realise 700-1000 is alot of money. Thats a 1-2 weeks wage for the average person. And they think SD's will give it away freely just like that.

And before some simps here comment "u cant afford SB's blah blah blah". I can more than afford. But sometimes just because u can afford, doesnt mean u should. I believe in paying the fair market price for anything. Now if some simps here wanna rip themselves off, then thats your call.

Dont get me wrong, I dont mind dropping that kind of cash if shes a 9-10/10, but not for an average plain Jane.

[Putter]

I agree with this. So many SB's now demanding unreasonable amounts. Average girls at best asking 700-1000+

And most of the pics are photoshopped instagram pics anyway.

They think SD's are an ATM machine with unlimited money. They dont realise 700-1000 is alot of money. Thats a 1-2 weeks wage for the average person. And they think SD's will give it away freely just like that.

And before some simps here comment "u cant afford SB's blah blah blah". I can more than afford. But sometimes just because u can afford, doesnt mean u should. I believe in paying the fair market price for anything. Now if some simps here wanna rip themselves off, then thats your call.

Dont get me wrong, I dont mind dropping that kind of cash if shes a 9-10/10, but not for an average plain Jane.


Some are looking for a dream. Had a very cute 20 year old ask for 1500 this week. I passed on it but there are plenty of non-pros who are looking for their prince charmings. Does it happen? Yes it does, which is why they do it.

Those of us who are just a tad too unwilling to open our wallets big time just have to move on to someone less demanding, not a pro and is willing to take on some risky fun. Plenty of fish out there. Don’t get too attached. Move onto the next when it’s time. Happy fishing!

[MurrayBallz]

We are all looking for a dream

[thelastdance]

Too many guys giving away money. We are pretty much in a shitshow economically and these girls will be too, so stop offering them stupid amounts to get them into bed. All that happens is they get big headed and then they tell you "I always get...I usually get". If that was true then why are they not with those guys? The start of this thread has some data on what is fair and it seems more than fair to me. if you have to offer more you either don't have any pick up game or you need to go to the gym and dress better. Don't be a simp.

[Riff888]

And then you get girls expecting this.

She might be looking in the wrong place but I've run into so many girls looking for this.

I guess these girls are sick of those dating apps as well.101000

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[ditchtheboss]

And then you get girls expecting this.

She might be looking in the wrong place but I've run into so many girls looking for this.

I guess these girls are sick of those dating apps as well.101000

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Wrong app for that. But it could also be that she is using that to give an impression of free sex to lure the guys in then ask for a ridiculous amount. I have seen that before. Seems to be a ludicrous strategy in my opinion

[mn69]

Too many guys giving away money. We are pretty much in a shitshow economically and these girls will be too, so stop offering them stupid amounts to get them into bed. All that happens is they get big headed and then they tell you "I always get...I usually get". If that was true then why are they not with those guys? The start of this thread has some data on what is fair and it seems more than fair to me. if you have to offer more you either don't have any pick up game or you need to go to the gym and dress better. Don't be a simp.

Yes this is true. I dont know why some SB's think they can ask for huge $$$ when were in a economic downturn. Interest rates high. Everyones struggling.
Pre-covid, there were many SB's happy with 300-500 ppm. Post covid, suddenly everything doubled or trippled.

[mn69]

Some are looking for a dream. Had a very cute 20 year old ask for 1500 this week. I passed on it but there are plenty of non-pros who are looking for their prince charmings. Does it happen? Yes it does, which is why they do it.

Those of us who are just a tad too unwilling to open our wallets big time just have to move on to someone less demanding, not a pro and is willing to take on some risky fun. Plenty of fish out there. Don’t get too attached. Move onto the next when it’s time. Happy fishing!

Holy shieet. 1500 ?
Is she dreaming or something.

[ditchtheboss]

Had someone asking for 2k today and it was a double so that would be 4K in one go. Madness. Then she said ok, 1500 then. Still madness

[Joe1956]

Interesting. Offered a double a week ago and it was 500 all up and they could host.
A lot of ladies 3-400 of outstanding quality
Seems to be this mythical agenda on here with some childlike warped idea they can lower prices

[asian slayer]

Yeh these prices seem obsurd

[sukeong]

Yes this is true. I dont know why some SB's think they can ask for huge $$$ when were in a economic downturn. Interest rates high. Everyones struggling.
Pre-covid, there were many SB's happy with 300-500 ppm. Post covid, suddenly everything doubled or trippled.

To be fair I have noticed escorts in other countries doing this too. Hiking up prices to ridiculous levels. Previous $400-600/hr to wat is now crazy levels of $1500-1900/hr. It seem counterintuitive to me at first when economy around the world is going to recession but I guess their strategy is to hope for that one rich dumb dude to cover the 3-4x normal income they get from previously.


Back to SB, i think some of them seem to be doing pretty well. A few at SD.com stopped conversing me after promising beginning. Looks like they had better offers. Perhaps not as desperate as we think.

[seablue]

Do you guys have any promo code? Thanks.

[mn69]

Had someone asking for 2k today and it was a double so that would be 4K in one go. Madness. Then she said ok, 1500 then. Still madness

Thats just purely delusional now. Hope you didnt give in mate. I think some of these girls must be young & naive. And have no concept of money & salary. $4k is nearly a months salary for the average person.

[mn69]

Interesting. Offered a double a week ago and it was 500 all up and they could host.
A lot of ladies 3-400 of outstanding quality
Seems to be this mythical agenda on here with some childlike warped idea they can lower prices

Nice. U must be an exceedlingly handsome guy @Joe1956. These SB's are practically willing to go with you for free. Enjoy mate. Never came across 300 since post covid. I only came across very few willing to do 400-500. They do exist. But very uncommon


To be fair I have noticed escorts in other countries doing this too. Hiking up prices to ridiculous levels. Previous $400-600/hr to wat is now crazy levels of $1500-1900/hr. It seem counterintuitive to me at first when economy around the world is going to recession but I guess their strategy is to hope for that one rich dumb dude to cover the 3-4x normal income they get from previously.


Back to SB, i think some of them seem to be doing pretty well. A few at SD.com stopped conversing me after promising beginning. Looks like they had better offers. Perhaps not as desperate as we think.

Yes I think this is a worldwide phenomenon. Theres ridiculous prices being quoted now. Usually these SB's will get back to u after a week or 2 when their "better deal" falls through or it was just a once off meet.

Most people are generally very lazy & prefer to do 1 occasional job with big pay rather then few smaller regular ones with less pay

There may be some dumb rich guy who will pay these high prices. But the concept contradicts itself. Rich guys arent dumb & are very smart with money usually. Otherwise they wouldnt have gotten rich in the first place.

[Joe1956]

Let’s see these million $ babes. Which platform and what names

[ditchtheboss]

Thats just purely delusional now. Hope you didnt give in mate. I think some of these girls must be young & naive. And have no concept of money & salary. $4k is nearly a months salary for the average person.

No no, I didn’t go ahead, that was madness

[dodgybastard2]

No no, I didn’t go ahead, that was madness

That's interesting. My experience has been similar. I had an Indian fattie ask for minimum 1 k for a few hours, which I passed on obviously. She reckoned that she had received 1.5k a few times too. And she was not particularly attractive.

[abovetherim]

SD game is tough and all the good ones seem to be taken. Can only imagine what the asking price would be with the hotter ones. I was quoted 600ppm from one of the decent looking one but still too expensive to be honest. I have spent close to $1000 on a meetup once and the experience was amazing but too much hit to the pocket and too much effort to be honest. If money wasn’t an issue I’d probably do this full time :D

[Joe1956]

Unreal. Not sure what window you are shopping but exaggerations seem to be the game
Yeh, had a couple at $700 and since then nothing like those amounts.
Find it hard to believe.
4-500 buys amazing ladies for many an hour plus some
Yeh, I’ve bonked for $70 in some salubrious shops
But SBs are another level
I call bullshit on exaggerations
Ask and you shall receive

[Aussieguyinsf]

I do pretty well in the 400-500 range. I generally stay away from the 20 years olds with hey babe in their response though.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Yeh, I’ve bonked for $70 in some salubrious shops
Ask and you shall receive

Please tell where these shops are!

[abovetherim]

I should’ve mentioned around $300 was on the room hire and food & beverages. Not that it makes it any better…

[abovetherim]

I guess the asking price depends on your attractiveness too. Maybe they were more willing to meetup with you for less. I had to pay $600 plus room food etc. almost $1000. $400-$500 sounds almost reasonable and wouldn’t mind trying this game again lol

[sukeong]

There may be some dumb rich guy who will pay these high prices. But the concept contradicts itself. Rich guys arent dumb & are very smart with money usually. Otherwise they wouldnt have gotten rich in the first place.

Yeah i used the wrong word there. I dun think they are dumb. Those people may have got rich through legal or illegal schemes or they were just born in money but probably not dumb.

They are just swimming in money and just dun care enough to haggle lol. Spending that much sound alot to us folks but not to them. They have fuck you money so I guess that's who the SBs are targeting now.


I should’ve mentioned around $300 was on the room hire and food & beverages. Not that it makes it any better…

That's rough sum I'm targeting now. The market is tough.

Maybe $300 plus for room and food. $200 plus for 4/5 star hotel and $100 plus for food. And fee for girl of about $500-600. Not sure if that's enough for just an hr or the few hrs per meet lol. But that's already close to a 1K.

[GoldfishMan]

It actually makes sense that prices are going up.

Sex trade in any form (SB, WL, ML, etc) are all restricted in the same way: A provider who needs more money cannot increase their income by increasing volume through reduced pricing.

If they are affected by inflation and need more money, the only thing they can do to get that is increase their price. Doing a weekly special like Coles or Woolies is not going to do anything for them.

[mn69]

It actually makes sense that prices are going up.

Sex trade in any form (SB, WL, ML, etc) are all restricted in the same way: A provider who needs more money cannot increase their income by increasing volume through reduced pricing.

If they are affected by inflation and need more money, the only thing they can do to get that is increase their price. Doing a weekly special like Coles or Woolies is not going to do anything for them.

Fair enough they have to increase prices as everything in general has gone up. But has to follow inflation & current economic trends as well. Going from 500 to 1000+ is a 200% increase. Its unrealistic

Same way a salaried worker just cant ask their bosses to go from $25/hr to $50/hr due to "inflation" for the same job/skills that they are already doing

[thelastdance]

Fair enough they have to increase prices as everything in general has gone up. But has to follow inflation & current economic trends as well. Going from 500 to 1000+ is a 200% increase. Its unrealistic

Same way a salaried worker just cant ask their bosses to go from $25/hr to $50/hr due to "inflation" for the same job/skills that they are already doing

I don’t agree with this for the reason that there is no “price” in the sense that no “service” is being offered. There is only a relationship whose terms are negotiated between me and her. Any girl who thinks she is offering a service should fuck off to E&B.

If you treat SB dating with the mindset that she’s an escort and you are a john then you will get escort behaviour. What I am trying to achieve is finding regular, hot girls who have a kink for fun with an older guy and who like a little bit of extra cash in their wallet. I’m not looking for someone who makes a living out of this.

[mn69]

I don’t agree with this for the reason that there is no “price” in the sense that no “service” is being offered. There is only a relationship whose terms are negotiated between me and her. Any girl who thinks she is offering a service should fuck off to E&B.

If you treat SB dating with the mindset that she’s an escort and you are a john then you will get escort behaviour. What I am trying to achieve is finding regular, hot girls who have a kink for fun with an older guy and who like a little bit of extra cash in their wallet. I’m not looking for someone who makes a living out of this.

Yes true, unfortunately some of these SB's are also escorts on E&B. But posing as SB's. Thats why they will quote u for a price per hour. But lets be realistic about SB's. These girls are on it for a reason. They're struggling financially and are in it to make as much money as possible.

So they become an SB for older guys to pay them for their company, as outside of SB world, its very rare for young hot girl to be into a older guy because she genuinely likes him. Thats why they expect an "allowance".

These SB's are sleeping with young hot guys for free in case u didnt know

So technically, they are all in it for the money and to try & make a living out of it.

[thelastdance]

Yes true, unfortunately some of these SB's are also escorts on E&B. But posing as SB's. Thats why they will quote u for a price per hour. But lets be realistic about SB's. These girls are on it for a reason. They're struggling financially and are in it to make as much money as possible.

So they become an SB for older guys to pay them for their company, as outside of SB world, its very rare for young hot girl to be into a older guy because she genuinely likes him. Thats why they expect an "allowance".

These SB's are sleeping with young hot guys for free in case u didnt know

So technically, they are all in it for the money and to try & make a living out of it.

I'm under no illusions that they are fucking other guys off other sites for free. I can't do that because I am married and I can't have an open profile on tinder or other dating apps. I usually go for girls on Seeking who have careers and who are not making a living out of this. Not all girls are on there to make a living out of it in my experience and some will fuck me for free after a few dates. So I would disagree with that conclusion that they all all trying to make a living or are mainly in it for the money. Suggest digging a bit deeper for the good ones.

[Joe1956]

Wrong thread it seems

[GoldfishMan]

Something I don't understand is, why are you guys so put off by an SB who also happens to be a WG?

What's so bad about that?

[andrewv]

A while ago I met a 23 year-old reasonably good looking Filipino SB from seeking.com and arranged 3 meetings at hotels, for a few hours each time.

As she became relaxed and familiar with me, she was frank enough on the third meeting to tell me how she is always horny and cannot go without sex for more than 3 days, and how she hooks up with guys she meets on Tinder a couple of times a week. Obviously, she is screwing them free of charge!

It kind of left me feeling that the only reason I am paying her was because I am much older than the guys she gets to fuck free.
Well, I accept that it's a business model when SD and SB get together.....

[andrewv]

Something I don't understand is, why are you guys so put off by an SB who also happens to be a WG?

What's so bad about that?

My view is a WG is a WG even if she meets you on the basis of being a SB.
The "code of conduct" in the punting game is WG have little choice about which men to accept -- yes, I know they have the right to refuse punters -- while on the other hand SB choose their SD as much as the SD choose them, and generally SB do not do it with too many men... while some WG might have sex with 10 or more men in one day.

[GoldfishMan]

My view is a WG is a WG even if she meets you on the basis of being a SB.
The "code of conduct" in the punting game is WG have little choice about which men to accept -- yes, I know they have the right to refuse punters -- while on the other hand SB choose their SD as much as the SD choose them, and generally SB do not do it with too many men... while some WG might have sex with 10 or more men in one day.

Ok so I take it the main sticking point is the WG-SB has slept with many men, while a non-WG-SB wouldn't have. That's fair enough.

How about this. There's another thread here about "most memorable girls" we've punted with. Let's say you have a WG in that list, and now you find that she's available as an SB. You can pay her a stipend and you can get on with her just like any other SB you meet out there. Pay $500 for hours of fucking, etc.

Would you still avoid having that girl as an SB?

[andrewv]

Ok so I take it the main sticking point is the WG-SB has slept with many men, while a non-WG-SB wouldn't have. That's fair enough.

How about this. There's another thread here about "most memorable girls" we've punted with. Let's say you have a WG in that list, and now you find that she's available as an SB. You can pay her a stipend and you can get on with her just like any other SB you meet out there. Pay $500 for hours of fucking, etc.

Would you still avoid having that girl as an SB?

I am not saying I would avoid an SB or WG, or an SB pretending to be a WG. What I am saying is if I discover that an SB is also working as a WG in a shop then my view of her is that she is not an SB but is a WG. It is purely my personal view and am happy for other blokes to think what they want.

There is no dispute about myself being a punter, I am paying $$$ for sex with a woman, and she is receiving $$$ and in return offering her body, so to speak. WG's and SB's have sex with us for money. It is the only motivation for them. I have told elsewhere here the story with the Filipino SB who told me she hooks up with guys from tinder a couple of times a week because she needs sex at least every 3 days... and I think these tinder men do not pay $$$.

I think in most cases, some of us looking for a SB expect some 'exclusivity' and a special deal from an SB. Other threads here also referred to the whole issue of STD risks and how most SB connections are BBFS while most WG expect/demand condoms be worn.

[GoldfishMan]

Then you're not one of those who are hardcore avoiding SBs that are also WGs. I've seen some other blokes on this thread or other ones make it very clear that they would avoid an SB like the plague if they found out that the SB was also a WG.

I guess my question is directed at that cohort. Why do you avoid them and to what extent?

I'll also say where I'm coming from with this. I've tried multiple times in the past to get into this SB thing. Even paid for Seeking membership a couple of times. In the end I couldn't find any girl I liked because they just do not look attractive enough for me to lift a finger.

I started comparing them to the hot girls I've been fucking almost weekly at the best shops, FS and RNT included, and I found myself thinking "what's the point of all this when I could pay $100 extra in an RNT to fuck a girl that fits all my criteria?".

I mean, no offence to anyone but these girls are seriously not hot at all. On Seeking, SDM, sugardaddy, etc.

[Spilner]

I find I am of a similar opinion. I have seen WG's, SB's and ML's and i find that the ML's are generally the better looking ladies, to me atleast, and the service and conndction is normally better. My experience with SB and WG has been, generally speaking of course both categories have had absolute gems, more like a conveyer belt where they want you in and out asap. Are pure SB's, those that dont also WG, are different scenario as i never really check if the SB's i meet where working on the side.

[andrewv]

Here is another experience with seeking.com
Just before COVID, seeking had a good-looking Indian girl who I made contact with and we exchanged messages on kik for a few days, then I got busy with another SB so I didn't proceed. A few months later I noticed she was not on seeking anymore, so I sent her a message on kik to see if she was still looking for SD encounters.
She replied and said that yes she is happy to see me and gave me a link to a brothel at Wetherill Park (or somewhere there) where she was working.
I never bothered to drive all that way.

Moral of the story: it is all about we punters paying, and them girls opening their legs. All that stuff about being ML, WG, SB, blah, blah are just technical definitions.

[GoldfishMan]

Here is another experience with seeking.com
Just before COVID, seeking had a good-looking Indian girl who I made contact with and we exchanged messages on kik for a few days, then I got busy with another SB so I didn't proceed. A few months later I noticed she was not on seeking anymore, so I sent her a message on kik to see if she was still looking for SD encounters.
She replied and said that yes she is happy to see me and gave me a link to a brothel at Wetherill Park (or somewhere there) where she was working.
I never bothered to drive all that way.

Moral of the story: it is all about we punters paying, and them girls opening their legs. All that stuff about being ML, WG, SB, blah, blah are just technical definitions.

Exactly bro. That's why I don't understand why some of the bros here are so particular about a girl being an escort or a WL or ML. What's the diff?

[thelastdance]

Massive difference. A pro WL ML on Seeking posing as a Sugarbabe is more likely to charge you by the hour, give you a CBJ and CFS. If I want that experience I’ll go to a shop. I don't have any problem with seeing a WL in her own element.

BUT...No Cauc WL is going to give me 5+ hours of her time and sometimes overnights with multiple rounds of sex BB and BBBJ for 500.

If you can find me a hot 20-25 Cauc WL on Seeking doing that, I’m ALL IN. Otherwise I will stick to the hot corporate chicks and students on there.

[thelastdance]

So I may have finally succumbed. Met a girl off seeking about a month ago. Young professional who prefers mature men. Doesn’t want money - just an older guy who can take her on luxury dates and who is busy and won’t be needy or fall in love and want to marry her. She likes her independence and likes having a secret lover. It’s almost too perfect ?

[frisson]

. I've tried multiple times in the past to get into this SB thing. Even paid for Seeking membership a couple of times. In the end I couldn't find any girl I liked because they just do not look attractive enough for me to lift a finger.

I started comparing them to the hot girls I've been fucking almost weekly at the best shops, FS and RNT included, and I found myself thinking "what's the point of all this when I could pay $100 extra in an RNT to fuck a girl that fits all my criteria?".
The SB is a legitimate marketplace. Just like the fine dining scene
The SB crew are paying for the business relationship. The crew enjoy the dance, the flirting, the dinner, the drive, and the great sex. A good life at a premium price

A perfectly nice punt is $250-300 at a brothel
The room and bed is provided at no extra cost
And no expensive subscription costs to join a SB website

Paying less for sex and accepting that it's safe sex, is a wise move unless you are rolling in cash with little overheads. I like the safe sex

Why spend hours meeting up with women who are charging high rates for unprotected sex with multiple men

[Footballpunter]

the unprotected sex with multiple men part is already a red flag for me to be honest

[frisson]

It actually makes sense that prices are going up

I don't agree. It makes no sense that SBs want to raise an overinflated price even higher

I don't swallow that logic

Unless there is a large market of unsophisticated men with spare cash, who pay excessive amounts, and even then it's no justification for charging exorbitant rates for sex

It's an overpriced lady just making herself more expensive

The typical SB only knows the market prices in the SB world. They do not read aus99

[frisson]

the unprotected sex with multiple men part is already a red flag for me to be honest
Respect to everyone - people are entitled to spend their money how they like
But men paying $500+ a session, I am happy to bet, will expect condomless sex. Join the queue if you dare

Great adventures at the cost of a burning hole in wallet and unprotected sex. What could go wrong ?

The 50 year old guy paying your SB to fly her to Melbourne to see him, $1500+ outlay for return flight, dinner and hotel, won't settle for 1 shot in a condom as happens in most brothel sessions. He will want a deluxe transaction with exchange of fluids and bugs

Think Melbourne guy has only had safe sex with his wife? Keep thinking that. He is a serial BBFS man

Are the downsides being exaggerated? Address these specific concerns if you like, from your perspective

[BigPedro666]

Depends what your looking for whether you sb or brothel.

[thelastdance]

Am now pretty much totally off the market. Met a girl on seeking who had never done it before and wanted to meet older, successful, mature guys. She saw a couple off the site for dates and then we hooked up and spoke for about a month before we had our first date. It was like bloody fireworks from the start. She came back to mine and spent the night. We've spent the past three months together and I think my punting days might be done. Will still check in here from time to time. Who would have thought you could find lust and love on Seeking of all places.

[crazykyle1984]

I thought it might be useful to provide some basic comparisons of the Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast market for Sugarbabes. I punt in all three.

My target market setting is usually 22-28, slim or Athletic. Caucasians or Eurasians are my personal preference.

I will sometimes raise the age bracket as there are some lovely, fit women who are in the 28 - 35 bracket, no kids and have a better understanding of their bodies and sexuality (don't we all when we are older?)

My observations as follows for the Sydney market:


Higher and faster response rates
More direct and business like conversations in Sydney
i.e. "don't text me, just call me"
Faster to move from SA to kik/whatsapp/text
Girls are much readily available to meet, I'm am usually propositioned to meet on the day
Little hesitation to meet for coffee/lunch/drinks. The girls are so confident that after the pre meet comes the play time, it's almost a given for them.
Hardly anyone asking for deposits or pre payments (I don't think I have received one to date)
Prices are currently feel a bit inflated. Some of this is their annual post Christmas credit card repayment cycle 😂
$500 in Sydney is comparable to $400 in Melbourne and Gold Coast
A number of chancers who will throw out big numbers, but if you know how to negotiate, this can easily be $500
Timing of dates can be a little quicker. Usually an hour over lunch/dinner/cocktails followed by 2+ hours of play. Usually 2 rounds of 45 minutes each is what I look for as an outcome.

Ongoing I aim to achieve a lower PPM overall. I'll pay a little more for a once off, or first time meet.

Thank you for sharing this!

[Refedust]

I don't agree. It makes no sense that SBs want to raise an overinflated price even higher

I don't swallow that logic

Unless there is a large market of unsophisticated men with spare cash, who pay excessive amounts, and even then it's no justification for charging exorbitant rates for sex

It's an overpriced lady just making herself more expensive

The typical SB only knows the market prices in the SB world. They do not read aus99

No matter how horny i am, dropping 500 p/h is just insane, id rather jerk off and safe that money

[thelastdance]

No matter how horny i am, dropping 500 p/h is just insane, id rather jerk off and safe that money

Why do you think it is $500 ph?

I was spending $500 and getting 4-6 hours, sometimes overnights. Usually fucking for quite a lot of that.

[thelastdance]

Have you guys noticed that the number of girls on seeking are going up again? I'm getting messages from old contacts saying they are back on and just back from Europe etc.

Seems like there are bills to be paid and a bit of sugaring is an easy way to do that.

[TheTriggA]

Any tips for Newbs, am dipping my toe in on seeking a bit, almost got blackmailed the other night, lesson learn there.

[TheTriggA]

Any hints for new guys exploring this space, think I might just try a shop first, easier to do i think

[curiousgeorge1023]

Patience is the most important trait of a Sugar Daddy... second is be sensible with money spending. Stick to what kind of arrangement you would like and how much you are willing to pay for it. For context Sydney was between the $400 - 600 when I was actively seeking last year. I do not know now. Think what kind of arrangement you like and see if you can find a perfect fit for any of the SB on site, they will of course spit out some ridiculous $$$ amount, stick to how much you think you would spend for what you find is valuable. Goodluck!

[thelastdance]

Some sugar resources for guys in the game

https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum (interesting new PPM questionnaire by country)

https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/ (can read but not engage)

https://www.reddit.com/r/SydneyNSWAfterDark/comments/173fxq7/sugarbabe_dating/

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@Vincent888

This topic needs your attention

[thelastdance]

Guys can we put our thoughts on updated pricing in here? What are you seeing in the local market as well as anywhere else you are punting SBs. Thanks in advance for sharing!

[Doc]

It is still sitting around $500 mark for most girls.. Once in a moon, you will get the high price offer which I guess you used to get before as well.
I have seen few single moms who are big, asks for less like $300. But I didn't like the whole experience.

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[DayMan69]

Some sugar resources for guys in the game

https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum (interesting new PPM questionnaire by country)

https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/ (can read but not engage)

https://www.reddit.com/r/SydneyNSWAfterDark/comments/173fxq7/sugarbabe_dating/

Jesus, i just read some of the content on one of these sites. These are genuinely awful, narcissistic, gold-digging, fatuous, shallow horror stories of women with such a complete lack of self-awareness it boggles my tiny brain. They seriously believe their pussies shine with the light of a 1000 stars. Run gents, run.

Wow. Even the worst princess in one of our humble rnt establishments is vastly superior in attitude to any of these chicks. Thank god for suburban rnts with good looking decent human beings for $180. Fuck me. Picks jaw off ground.

[personaa]

Yes most girls think of themselves as celebrities and relationships are down to market transactions and this is all in the name of equality and new age feminism. I guess commodification and sexual objectification is okay under new age feminism as long as it's by their own choice!

Sad but i guess most will end up struggling with depression and loneliness because the Godot will never show his face and they keep on waiting. Andy Warhol is shaking in his grave, the fame factory is finally here* (I am not saying this is true for all, just my opinion for those who are in this game).

[DayMan69]

I mean, really. They seem to loathe their customers and scream 'cheap' if some guy is not willng to fuck them for $2000 and buy a designer handbag into the bargain. I'm like wtf. I'd want Margot Robbie and Grace Chan doing a double on me for that. Twice.

This is like paying your dentist outrageous money but she screws up her face in horror and pokes your mouth with a broom handle. And then you hear her vomiting as you leave.

SDs - guys i dont get it. Is it this bad in Oz?

[Riff888]

SDs - guys i dont get it. Is it this bad in Oz?

Nah, I'm loving it. Never paid more than $600 PPM and can't go back to CFS.

Most girls from any nationality who grew up here are usually on the pill so it's BBFSCIP all the way.

[MurrayBallz]

Avoid Petite2! She said 500, then we negotiated 600/4hours. Nice suite, she is cute, asked for the $, had one fuck, showered and left. Tried to tell me an escort would charge the same.

[Aussieguyinsf]

Avoid Petite2! She said 500, then we negotiated 600/4hours. Nice suite, she is cute, asked for the $, had one fuck, showered and left. Tried to tell me an escort would charge the same.

Dm me if you want to join a telegram group that shares sb intel

[ozzieG]

Please share details …. Tia

[Aussieguyinsf]

Please share details …. Tia

Dm me With your telegram handle

[fnmfnmfnm]

Dm me With your telegram handle

Hey mate check your DMs

[kctt]

Dm me if you want to join a telegram group that shares sb intel

DM sent. Please check. TIA

[apokalypse]

Moral of the story: it is all about we punters paying, and them girls opening their legs. All that stuff about being ML, WG, SB, blah, blah are just technical definitions.

so true and i just learnt that as my thread on ML not offering part 2 or even normal average girl could open leg for a price...if the girl happy with those amount and you become a king.

happy for those who have great service GFE at good price as on the market $500

[andrewv]

Am now pretty much totally off the market. Met a girl on seeking who had never done it before and wanted to meet older, successful, mature guys. She saw a couple off the site for dates and then we hooked up and spoke for about a month before we had our first date. It was like bloody fireworks from the start. She came back to mine and spent the night. We've spent the past three months together and I think my punting days might be done. Will still check in here from time to time. Who would have thought you could find lust and love on Seeking of all places.

You found a girlfriend on Seeking. Not a sugarbabe.
Men who have SBs often keep playing with others.

[Berrocca]

Hi Aussieguyinf, I can't seem to msg you for some reason. I have intel I'd be happy to share on the Telegram group too.

[Anonymous Stranger]

Dm me if you want to join a telegram group that shares sb intel

This is interesting, didn't know about a telegram group. Got some feedback on some girls there and keen on reading on others - can't DM you mate but could you tell me more please?

[Aussieguyinsf]

This is interesting, didn't know about a telegram group. Got some feedback on some girls there and keen on reading on others - can't DM you mate but could you tell me more please?

Hit me up on Telegram Aussieguyinsf

[sid2121]

Can you add me please telegram sid_kkl

[Berrocca]

Please add me if you don't mind - Berrocca70. I have plenty of intel as well

[Moe]

I'm new this this and not having much success.
Id appreciate some advice, but I don't think I'd have much to offer to begin with if that's ok

[sukeong]

I'm new this this and not having much success.
Id appreciate some advice, but I don't think I'd have much to offer to begin with if that's ok

Can you give any specifics as to what issues you are having ? And which website do you use?

My main issues with SB this year are due to cash and hotel issues but the availability and range of SB choices are never a problem.

[Moe]

I stuggle to being the conversation around to a meet up specifics.
If I knew which girls offered which services I think I'd find it easier

[asahi]

Yeah I'd love to join

[johnconnor69er]

Anyone wanting to share, add johnconnor69er to telegram.

[sid2121]

I have got an intel on a 20 yo gem of a girl I’ve been seeing. Please dm if interested

[sukeong]

I stuggle to being the conversation around to a meet up specifics.
If I knew which girls offered which services I think I'd find it easier


To be honest that's probably one the easiest part. Usually they will come out and ask you what are you after. Or they would just say wat kind of agreement they looking for. One girl I talked to even straight out listed the services she will do amd at wat price without first doing the small talk or introduction.

If not you just ask them direct, after awhile you get the hang of it. Then you negotiate. The hard part is later on.

Anyway sorry for the late reply.

[Aussieguyinsf]

Hi Aussieguyinf, I can't seem to msg you for some reason. I have intel I'd be happy to share on the Telegram group too.

Hit me up on Telegram Aussieguyinsf

[Doc]

Hi Aussieguyinsf,

I have added you in Telegram. Perhaps, you could not get who am I. No response yet from you.

[Doc]

Hi all the dads . Do you guys change or create a new profile when get back to Seek after a break? I do not know, if this makes any impact when your profile shows age or not. Obviously if you have a profile which has aged, you will find lots babies have blocked your profile, so creating a new one you will get all those exposure again.
I do not keep my subscription always on, due to my work life balance, however my profile remains visible always. And so far I have always used the same profile. But lately I do not get that much luck from the site compared to few years ago. I do not know, if this is my profile's age or something else.
Would like to know, how you guys are doing and thinking about it.

[ditchtheboss]

Hi all the dads . Do you guys change or create a new profile when get back to Seek after a break? I do not know, if this makes any impact when your profile shows age or not. Obviously if you have a profile which has aged, you will find lots babies have blocked your profile, so creating a new one you will get all those exposure again.
I do not keep my profile always on, due to my work life balance. And so far I have always used the same profile. But lately I do not get that much luck from the site compared to few years ago. I do not know, if this is my profile's age or something else.
Would like to know, how you guys are doing and thinking about it.

I am in the same situation as you, returning now after about 1 year or so. It didn’t even occur to me to create a new profile. I am not having the same issue as you. Give it a bit of time. It takes a few days for the grind to reply but I find that all of a sudden it explodes and I get way too many messages.

Good luck

[Doc]

Thanks ditchtheboss, for your insight. I stay about one month at time, so if it takes a bit too long to get it going, it will be tight when the monthly subscription will end. Interesting to know that, you get way many messages at the same time.
So the verdict is, it does not matter how old is the profile, and it does not affect in terms of response even there are few persons have blocked.

[Doc]

Recently found two persons wanted to scam me. Can we disclose the ID here?

[faruk]

Of course, help spread awareness

[faruk]

Are there sites to review and share information about sugar babies?

Would like to warn others about one particular girl going around rinsing people

[jedibear]

Are there sites to review and share information about sugar babies?

Would like to warn others about one particular girl going around rinsing peopleWhy not do it here?

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[faruk]

Why not do it here?

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I was hoping for a more international exposure

[JuneC]

Mona from PBM is looking for Sugar Daddy. She loves high end lifestyle. She will do overnight for a nice hotel stay and dinner

[ditchtheboss]

Came across a profile for a Kylaa on seeking. Gorgeous blonde, as I was about to agree to be see her she asked for money ahead. Scammer I think unless someone has seen her and can tell me otherwise. Here is the link https://members.seeking.com/member/ec03ec36-d012-4dd2-a696-218e4ac7240f

[Doc]

I am in the same situation as you, returning now after about 1 year or so. It didn’t even occur to me to create a new profile. I am not having the same issue as you. Give it a bit of time. It takes a few days for the grind to reply but I find that all of a sudden it explodes and I get way too many messages.

Good luckI'm just giving you my feedback after staying on the site for one month.
I met only one person, and that was only once. She had some issues. Hence, she didn't want to go forward.
Otherwise, I had a few short-listed ones where we had conversations, but that didn't end up anything substantial. Some of them stopped responding, and some asked for money first to prove I am serious and genuine, and some asked for a ridiculous amount of money. So yeah, nothing has changed much over the course of 7 months when I was not using the site, at least for me. By the way, I am based in the Brisbane area.

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[Joe1956]

It takes a while and a few questions. You soon learn not to waste time. Be polite but direct. Also to prevent getting kicked off the platforms don’t ask for ppm. Ask for p p m. Space it. Works for me anyway.
‘Regulars’ are worth keeping till you find another better.
Enjoy. There’s plenty out there

[Doc]

It takes a while and a few questions. You soon learn not to waste time. Be polite but direct. Also to prevent getting kicked off the platforms don’t ask for ppm. Ask for p p m. Space it. Works for me anyway.
‘Regulars’ are worth keeping till you find another better.
Enjoy. There’s plenty out thereThanks for your response.
Unfortunately, I have not found anyone to call 'regular'.
I haven't been kicked off of the platform ever. I normally exchange finer details in another platform.
I have always been polite and direct to my discussion.
I do not know what else I need to do as I have been doing all the things you have mentioned.
When you mentioned it takes a while, how long does it take roughly for you?

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[Aussieguyinsf]

Btw the group is now closed to new members. You had your chance. Don’t dm me about it.

[Hedonisticfun]

I'm just giving you my feedback after staying on the site for one month.
I met only one person, and that was only once. She had some issues. Hence, she didn't want to go forward.
Otherwise, I had a few short-listed ones where we had conversations, but that didn't end up anything substantial. Some of them stopped responding, and some asked for money first to prove I am serious and genuine, and some asked for a ridiculous amount of money. So yeah, nothing has changed much over the course of 7 months when I was not using the site, at least for me. By the way, I am based in the Brisbane area.

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Thanx Doc , summed up my thoughts and confirmed my expectations what Sugarbabes might be .. goodluck on those having a better experience but I prefer to use the tried and tested method of using my 2 (almost ) reliable sites E&Babes and Scarletblue and have the same outcome after having regular sessions

[andrewv]

There are some reviews on reddit.com

[Doc]

Review in Reddit.com? Would you mind sharing links of the subreddit or such channels where we can find reviews of Australian SBs?

[nosytt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/

haha

[Joe1956]

And I got kicked even though contributing. I hope the pics I posted there have been deleted!!!

[apokalypse]

anyone of you experience SB in US? travel to US at end of year for circumstances and thought of SB for few nights in texas...just straight up asking them in seeking if they accept to be my companion?

[Putter]

Yep, over the past 5 years i have used seeking to find sugars in California, Arizona, Florida and NY.And other countries .Would recommend it.

[mn69]

Yep, over the past 5 years i have used seeking to find sugars in California, Arizona, Florida and NY.And other countries .Would recommend it.

Isnt it abit tricky in US. I thought "procuring for sex" (prostitution) is illegal there

[Putter]

That’s why i avoid the shops. Too dangerous. With the sugars, you can talk to them offline once u get their details. Use an encrypted service. The latinos there are amazing, especially the mixed ones. Loads of uni students as well.

[mn69]

Yeh I been told its quite risky. Have to use alternate words like giving her a "gift" . Only Nevada is legal. And even then, only in certain counties in Nevada. I could imagine all the hot Latina talents there.

And also alot of undercover police stings.

[apokalypse]

seems seeking doesn't have much...pretty much saying need companion and friendship with benefits? what you guys saying about shop got me freak out, imagine get arrested for this shit and family knows about it thought a nice guy.

i know i gonna needed it and seems SB is safeway...

[Doc]

Hi everyone,
I am just wondering what is the highest age gap SB you had from your age and how it went?

I am currently 42 years. I had a few short-term SBs ranging from 28 to 36.

Recently, I have been in touch with a girl from seeking who old me she is 20 years old, which I came to know later as she mentioned her age 23 in her profile.

Now we planned to meet a few days later but now I am not sure if it would be a good idea or not.

Please share your experiences.

Thanks.

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[Zoobender]

Hi everyone,
I am just wondering what is the highest age gap SB you had from your age and how it went?

I am currently 42 years. I had a few short-term SBs ranging from 28 to 36.

Recently, I have been in touch with a girl from seeking who old me she is 20 years old, which I came to know later as she mentioned her age 23 in her profile.

Now we planned to meet a few days later but now I am not sure if it would be a good idea or not.

Please share your experiences.

Thanks.

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I've had 19 year olds as the youngest (I'm over 40) and oldest is probably 35. I wouldn't SD a chick older than that. I can fuck them for free at the pub on Fridays nights

[Doc]

I can fuck them for free at the pub on Fridays nights

Lucky you!
I do not go to pubs anymore.

After hanging around for 2 months at SA website, my experiences are these,

1. Some of the ladies asks for money before meeting as a security or to make sure I am serious.
2. Some ladies asks for money for transportation including uber, fuel, taxi for turning up for the first meeting
3. Many girls asks for money for sending naughty pics and videos to start with.
4. Many overseas girls like my profile and send messages, which I am not interested as they want to have money for online services.

And none of these advanced to the 1st meeting as I did not want to send money first. I have send money few times last year, and every time there was no show and followed by ghosting.

So, this is my experience after staying 2 months in the website. I discontinued after this. Only met one lady once which did not progress to the 2nd stage, but we are still in touch.

[MichaelA2]

I have some simple rules.

Anybody who wants a short meet (1-2 hrs) I reject. Anybody who thinks our meets will be taking them shopping. Anybody who thinks they should be ‘treated like the princess I am’. Anybody who asks for any cash up front. Anybody who expects payment for a short coffee meet to check out how we connect. All red flags. Get rid of anybody who asks for any of these